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14:17 < eea> osc: i dealt with that exact issue early last year... "fix" was forcing linux clients to nfs3 explicitly iirc
14:17 < eea> probably a couple other options, will have to look
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18:15 < SamuelMarks> hi
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18:15 < SamuelMarks> I'm going to port the `bc` from either OpenBSD or FreeBSD.
18:16 < Bradipo> Personally, I prefer to use dc
18:16 < Bradipo> What's your target for porting?
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18:35 < GnarledHorn> What music players are y'all using? I have mp3, m4a, and flac files in my collection. I've used DeaDBeeF for years but recently I looked into the plugin configurations and got queasy 
18:35 < Bradipo> I usually use mpg123.
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18:35 < Bradipo> Of course that's only for mp3.
18:36 < GnarledHorn> That's the issue. My most commonly listened to album is flac. I guess I could transcode it if I needed
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18:37 < eea> i switched to pandora many moons ago, still have a not so little library in yt-music
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18:37 < eea> i generally reach for pandora first
18:37 < sibiria> GnarledHorn: mpv is a decent alternative for both music and video. no useful ui, though
18:39 < GnarledHorn> sibiria: That's a neat suggestion. I might be able to cobble together something to play the same couple of playlists I have on repeat
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18:41 < sibiria> it has support for m3u and some other playlist formats
18:42 < GnarledHorn> That might be just what I'm after - thank you! (afk for a while)
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18:56 < avemestr> moc is fine - remember the executable is named mocp.
18:59 < avemestr> Some people swear to the mpd/ncmpcpp combo, but I've never bothered setting it up.
19:06 < ludovicus> mocp is really cool, I'm using it right now 
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19:11 < SamuelMarks> Bradipo - I dunno I just have fun porting as far as I can. Windows, MinGW, Cygwin, DOS, Linux, FreeBSD, SunOS
19:12 < SamuelMarks> macOS, Android, iOS
19:12 < SamuelMarks> I dunno what else, maybe Cheerp now that it's open-source?
19:12 < Bradipo> Ok, so just for the fun of porting, got it.
19:13 < SamuelMarks> aye
19:13 < SamuelMarks> Though I'm also trying to make some general statements about the portability of C and some general approaches to making things callable from other languages
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19:42 < SamuelMarks> Bradipo - Any tips on the portability and wrapping side? - I mean, I was thinking to just stick to C89 with the stricted compiler args I can find
19:43 < SamuelMarks> *strictest
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19:48 < thrig> -Wkitchen-sink
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19:51 < SamuelMarks> basically
19:52 < thrig> (the flags aren't really portable, and some like -Werror cause failed builds)
19:52 < SamuelMarks> I'm actuallly only using -Wshadow;-Wformat=2;-Wall;-pedantic
19:52 < SamuelMarks> and -W3;-WX;-Zi;-permissive-
19:52 < SamuelMarks> https://github.com/SamuelMarks/cdd-c/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L31
19:53 < SamuelMarks> open to including a huge number more
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20:19 < GnarledHorn> whoa! moc (mocp)! That's awesome ^_^
20:20 < thrig> to moc a mocing bird
20:20 < thrig> (I just use mpv --shuffle --no-video . but I don't listen to music as is typical)
20:21 < avemestr> Does it shuffle recursively?
20:22 < thrig> probably I have something that does recursion somewhere but I usually don't do that, so
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20:22 < thrig> gemini://thrig.me/blog/2023/08/12/late-stage-music-player.gmi
20:24 < SamuelMarks> 2-bit music FTW
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20:27 < avemestr> thrig: You obviously already know this, but if your keyboard have volume buttons, they can be used to change output.level as well (e.g. XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec --no-startup-id sndioctl output.level=+.05).
20:27 < GnarledHorn> farewell deadbeef! You served me well over the years but fell victim to feature creep
20:28 < thrig> the volume fn keys are annoying to reach for and terminals rather close
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20:36 < se1> Go through three technical interviews and do pretty good... *Nix systems stuff... Final interview talk to CEO. First question "Why have you been at your last three jobs only a year? What's up with that".. "W-well sir I'm trying to find my place and and grow my career and.. *spaghetti dumps out of pockets* actual reason: tech companies don't give as hit about people and my last boss an actual
20:36 < se1> sociopath
20:37 < se1> boomer has owned his own company for 30 years, doesn't understand landscape has changed and loyalty is not rewarded much, get dealt a shit hand sometimes and need to bounce to the next better thing
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20:44 < fro> what
20:45 < se1> sorry I meant to PM my job interview rant to somebody else wrong buffer
20:46  * ajr dumps spaghetti out of pockets
20:50  * se1 prepares himself mentally to work at mcdonalds
20:51 < se1> maybe the cash register operates on unix
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21:08 < dqk> i seriously doubt it but you never know
21:10 < bsandro> se1: hope you'll find something good there mate
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21:11 < eea> job interviews are awful these days, doubly so when asshat director bad mouths openbsd
21:11 < eea> :P
21:16 < se1> bsandro: thank you
21:17 < se1> dqk I might find out, unless I'm assigned to fry scooping
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21:18 < avemestr> eea: Whoa, a director that knows what OpenBSD is?! In my experience, directors and above only knows the acronyms they've read in the last three issues of The Economist :-S
21:19 < thrig> a scammer claimed they knew what openbsd was, but wanted to sell software that would be "installed on the network"
21:21 < bsandro> i've been at my current place for 6 years now, longest stretch so far, feels like loyalty is not that big of a deal yeah.
21:23 < eea> avemester: only happened once, and he claimed to be a netbsd contributor
21:24 < thrig> there might be some bad blood there
21:24 < se1> I'm a datacenter monkey by trade, trying to get away from hardware
21:25 < se1> so fucking close to that 100k starting oracle gig I can taste it (that wasn't my interview, though...)
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21:30 < se1> then I can drive through mcdonalds in my Mercedes G-Wagaon (carbon fiber wrapped) and tell the punk at the register "hey, your cash register runs on unix, kid." before peeling out and crashing it into a lightpole
21:31 < tux0r> "here's a nickel, get yourself a new set of punching cards"
21:34 < avemestr> The largest electronics retailer in my country used some mainframe terminal interface at their point of sale computers until 2021. Then they switched to something SAP.
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21:42 < se1> avemestr: neat
21:44 < tux0r> a sad downgrade
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21:47 < avemestr> It funny how an "electronics retailer" might sound like a business that cares about... well, computers and stuff. But in reality it's just a bean counting company like most other. And boy do bean counters love SAP.
21:47 < avemestr> Anyways, OpenBSD doesn't run on mainframes as far as I know and SAP doesn't run on OpenBSD so a bit off-topic.
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23:23 < d93> What would be a good programming language to learn for a first timer? Not sure where to start
23:23 < thrig> Ada and then get to ZSH eventually
23:26 < codermattie> d93: python
23:26 < megaTherion> ^
23:26 < codermattie> d93: if you want to do enterprise backend learn java too
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23:30 < codermattie> the native tongue of unix is C and bash
23:32 < dlg> sh
23:33 < megaTherion> bash is a gnu to
23:33 < megaTherion> +y
23:33 < topcat001> sh is probably more fundamental than csh?
23:33 < thrig> odd, I don't install bash
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23:35 < d93> alright thanks, i'll look into those
23:36 < Bradipo> d93: Tcl is good intro language.
23:36 < topcat001> what about pascal
23:36 < Bradipo> Maybe at a university.
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23:37 < megaTherion> pascal is a 1990s thing
23:37 < megaTherion> forget about it
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23:37 < Bradipo> Well, one could argue that Tcl is a '90s thing too.
23:37 < megaTherion> it is
23:37 < thrig> and python, and perl
23:37 < Bradipo> Unix, I hear it's dying.
23:37 < megaTherion> py and perl has survived pretty much, and py even more - good learning language for AI and stuff
23:37 < topcat001> I used it a lot for personal projects, but then again I had written tons of numerical code in Fortran77 :-)
23:37 < megaTherion> it's well known and recommended
23:37 < megaTherion> Java / C#, .NET for web stuff and business applications
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23:56 < d93> Do you have pay a fee for closed source applications with ada? What do you guys think about go
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23:59 < thrig> go seems cromulent for networking or CLI tools
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