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01:58 < d93> I've been getting "Authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified" when I try to run gui applications as root. My solution has been"xhost +" before I run and "xhost -" after. Is there a better way to fix this issue or is the way I'm doing it now fine? 
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02:00 < thrig> a) don't run gui apps as root b) allow them to get at .Xauthority
02:05 < d93> It's a gui requiring first time setup as root so I'll have to try b
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02:15 < thrig> or hold your nose and login directly as root
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02:27 < a1fa> ekekek
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05:29 < njn> hi
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07:01 < njn> damn, dead in here...
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07:03 < IcePic> njn: must mean obsd 7.3 is so good people don't get any problems! \o/
07:04 < renaud> like most other releases :)
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07:23 < concrete_houses> any cloud run all openbsd?  a-z
07:24 < IcePic> concrete_houses: obsda.ms 
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10:10 < ivdsangen> Hi, I have been running -current amd64 for some time now. I recently deleted some packages intel-firmware-* and inteldrm-firmware-* because pkg_add warned there were no update candidates. Now when I run pkg_add -u I get warnings about these missing packages and eventually pkg_add exits 1 because it can not find the package.
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10:25 < rueda> fw_update(8)
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10:27 < ivdsangen> i tried that, it just reports no change and that it kept intel and inteldrm among others
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10:34 < rueda> what does 'pkg_info | grep firmware' show?
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10:35 < renaud> at worst, you can download and reinstall them manually. They can be found at http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/
10:38 < ivdsangen> https://pastebin.com/rY70ZTdM
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10:39 < ivdsangen> to be clear, I did not use the asterisk in the pkg_delete commands, but a specific version
10:44 < ivdsangen> I guess I was mistaken to think firmware installed through fw_update is not a package
10:46 < rueda> I'd try 'fw_udpate -d' and/or pkg_delete [perhaps with -D...] to try to get rid of the obselete versions.  Failing that, perhaps 'fw_update -ad' followed by fw_update.
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10:52 < ivdsangen> after fw_update -ad; fw_update the same output for pkg_info and still this https://pastebin.com/sMettQup
10:53 < ivdsangen> maybe its time to reinstall all packages or something
10:57 < rueda> did you try 'pkg_delete -D...' ?
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11:01 < ivdsangen> no I didnt, this reports a corrupt set and that I should run pkg_check, which I will do now
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11:05 < ivdsangen> rueda: thanks for the help already, hoping pkg_check and its prompts will help me repair this
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15:07 < avemestr> concrete_houses: Contrary to popular belief, cloud computing is not based on water vapor but servers, network devices and software.
15:07 < avemestr> concrete_houses: Aka. "somebody else's computer".
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15:08 < avemestr> In that sense, https://openbsd.amsterdam/ is a "cloud" that runs on OpenBSD.
15:09 < betabube> avemestr: nice service, do you use it?
15:10 < betabube> love the design of that page
15:11 < Bradipo> Indeed, it warms my heart to find pages that still don't set a background color.
15:12 < betabube> it has a bg color here: black?
15:13 < Bradipo> What is the default background color that you have configured in your browser?
15:13 < Bradipo> It has no background-color for the body.
15:13 < Bradipo> s/It/openbsd.amsterdam/
15:14 < avemestr> betabube: Their offering hasn't matched my specific requirements yet, so I am usually using Hetzner where I can get smaller VMs and larger dedicated servers.
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15:15 < betabube> avemestr: smaller vm's? 
15:15 < betabube> i think it is a nice offer to get into openbsd
15:15 < avemestr> Virtual machines. I just install OpenBSD on them at Hetzner.
15:16 < betabube> yeah i know but why would you need even smaller vms?
15:20 < avemestr> You're actually right. All my VMs at Hetzner are larger than what's offered by openbsd.amsterdam. Sorry. But it made it dawn on me, that I could actually use them for some stuff (small websites). Hetzner has just become a "habit" for me.
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15:21 < betabube> avemestr: but installing openbsd on hetzner cloud is not officially supported anymore i think?
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15:23 < avemestr> It's possible to connect via a KVM interface. And "install73.iso" is an option for mounting through their web interface, so it is "supported" in some ways.
15:25 < avemestr> On their dedicated (physical) machines they are quite linux-focused. There one must create a support ticket asking for a KVM and at the same time request that they plug in a USB with the OpenBSD installer. They do so free of charge.
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15:26 < avemestr> https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/operating-systems/installing-custom-images/#installation-via-kvm-console-and-usb-drive < for dedicated servers.
15:28 < betabube> what do you run there
15:29 < avemestr> But as I said, on their "cloud" (https://www.hetzner.com/cloud) you can mount the OpenBSD install iso and get a terminal connection directly through their web interface.
15:29 < avemestr> betabube: Various server and client software :D
15:33 < betabube> avemestr: i don't have that option in my cloud account :/
15:34 < betabube> i can only choose from linux when creating new server
15:34 < avemestr> Yes.
15:34 < avemestr> But there's a "Mount ISO" button somewhere.
15:34 < betabube> oh ok hmm
15:35 < avemestr> https://www.englert.one/bilder/mount_iso.png
15:35 < avemestr> Random image from da intertubes.
15:35 < avemestr> Of the Hetzner interface.
15:36 < betabube> ah ok i see so i've to create an ubuntu server first for example
15:36 < avemestr> So you mount the OpenBSD ISO. Click the "terminal" button (grey) and reboot the server.
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15:36 < avemestr> Yes, but there's no Ubuntu left on the VM after you've installed OpenBSD :D
15:36 < betabube> :)
15:38 < betabube> avemestr: do you know if openbsd works on an intel compute stick?
15:40 < avemestr> Dunno - haven't tried.
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15:41 < avemestr> Though I think the bluetooth stuff might be a challenge considering OpenBSD doesn't support any bluetooth!
15:42 < betabube> dont need bluetooth anyway
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15:52 < a1fa> it should work
15:52 < a1fa> YMMW
15:53 < Bradipo> YMMV ?
15:53 < Bradipo> Your Mileage May Wary?
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15:56 < pardis> Your Mileage May Wobble
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15:56 < Bradipo> Your Mileage May Waver
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15:57 < Bradipo> Your Mileage May Wane
15:57 < betabube> ok i'll try
15:57 < betabube> would make a nice little machine
15:57 < betabube> it has no ht, just 4 cores and 2 gigs of ram
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16:01 < ox1eef_> Is /bsd.booted documented anywhere?
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16:06 < eea> Yota Mega Mega Watts
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16:08 < sibiria> ox1eef_: don't think so, but it's rc doing the copying if that helps
16:09 < sibiria> rc(8), /etc/rc
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16:12 < sibiria> or linking, not sure
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16:17 < ox1eef_> Thanks! 
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16:56 < concrete_houses> so openbsd can be router load balancer and web etc server
16:56 < concrete_houses> wow
16:56 < concrete_houses> 1 stop shop
16:57 < concrete_houses> does varnish-cache work on openbsd?
16:57 < concrete_houses> I would typically use it and ha-proxy
16:57 < concrete_houses> in any web app I absue the world with
16:57 < avemestr> https://openports.pl/path/www/varnish
16:58 < avemestr> https://openports.pl/path/net/haproxy
17:03 < concrete_houses> nice
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17:03 < concrete_houses> I notice for casual desktop use freebsd seems faster with ufs soft update journaling  as filesytem
17:03 < concrete_houses> does openbsd do well on very busy sites?
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17:04 < concrete_houses> maybe its misperfecption of mine
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17:06 < Bradipo> I don't have a "busy site", but it works for me. :-)
17:07 < jf> ivdsangen how exactly did you "delete[d] some packages"? looks like someone was exploring "rm -rf" in "/var/db/pkg/" .. which is package metadata, not package content. i
17:10 < sibiria> concrete_houses: not as snappy as linux, but shouldn't be a problem to set something up that's plenty fast for a busy site
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17:16 < ivdsangen> jf: i used pkg_delete -c intel-firmware-20220419v0 inteldrm-firmware-20220411 or something, definitely no rm -rf
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17:24 < avemestr> concrete_houses: FreeBSD is probably more performant, but doesn't come with a web server built-in. What programming language are the site in question programmed in and does it use a database for backend?
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18:05 < jf> ivdsangen thanks. i just did this on my 7.3-stable box and then added back the current intel-firmware by running (as root) fw_update. intel-firmware-20220419v0 is an old version and when i use fw_update I get intel-firmware-20230808v0 installed. so, if you have no errors from fw_update then you .. probably .. have current firmware only. 
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18:14 < ivdsangen> i think i repaired the situation, somehow deleting the old firmware messed up pkg, after running pkg_check it asked to delete some firmware directories which it could not and I had to manually remove some files even... I hope you did not have any errors/warnings when deleting firmware
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19:46 < hirigaray> i've scoured the mailing lists, i'm not sure if anyone has faced my specfic issue: I just managed to install OpenBSD on my pinebook pro via the serial cable (I put today's snapshot for install73.iso on a sd card). to boot, I had to disable ohci via the UKC, because my boot process gets stuck on `ohci0 at mainbus0`. well, I managed to boot after disabling that on the installed OpenBSD too, but I'm
19:46 < hirigaray> not sure how to debug this issue, as it means that I can't really interact with my PBP once it's booted except through the serial cable... how would I begin to debug this? `verbose` on UKC basically loops on probing a bunch of things I don't know and then I ctrl-C'd there and it got stuck on ohci0 at mainbus0 again...
19:48 < sibiria> it's snapshot. unstable
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19:49 < sibiria> install from 7.3/release disk image
19:49 < hirigaray> sibiria: this is the case with the regular release too
19:50 < hirigaray> well, that i am not/buffer 1
19:50 < hirigaray> whoops
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19:52 < hirigaray> what i meant to sau is that i am 99% sure that that is the case as well, if i am not misremembering. i remember it got stuck on something, but i believe it ahci0 at mainbus0
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19:54 < hirigaray> could have been* ahci0 at mainbus0
19:54 < sibiria> i have no anecdotes to provide for 7.3. last i tested openbsd on the PBP was 7.1
19:58 < hirigaray> :( i would like to know what info i need to collect to submit a bug report
19:59 < avemestr> man sendbug
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20:03 < systemdsucks> that manpage has a certain beauty of a rather technical origin
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20:24 < avemestr> Like your nick :D
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20:41 < fifi> me too
20:43 < a1fa> systemd is the best thing that happened to openbsd
20:44 < quinq> welll
20:44 < quinq> To openrc maybe
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20:50 < bob_x1> all the tools that do copy files cp or rsyc or tar (creates archive) do not preserve 'Change' file attribute
20:50 < bob_x1> it seems there is no way to archive the files with preserving this attribute
20:50 < thrig> it's hardly a change attribute if it doesn't change
20:52 < Bradipo> Well, under what conditions *should* it change?
20:52 < bob_x1> when it's copied to another place then Change attribute changed
20:53 < bob_x1> It is possible to preserve 'Access' attribute ,but Change does not
20:55 < a1fa> imagine copying sudo from one system to another
20:55 < a1fa> s/sudo/setuid/
20:56 < bob_x1> I thought tools like tar can preserve it
20:56 < bob_x1> so it would be possible to create 'full' archive
20:56 < bob_x1> wiht full data saved in it
20:57 < a1fa> there is a flag in tar that would do it
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20:57 < a1fa> however
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20:57 < a1fa> you have to be root
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20:59 < bob_x1> interesting
20:59 < bob_x1> which one ?
21:01 < Bradipo> There's usually only one root.
21:01 < se1> rootception
21:01 < bob_x1> the flag
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21:02 < sibiria> you're an adult. you don't have to have just one root. make four more
21:02 < sibiria> it's your computer
21:02  * se1 begins spouting the pledge of allegience
21:02 < se1> oh different flag nvm
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21:47 < a1fa> My root is now toor
21:48 < thrig> in theory you can have a very large number of 0 uid accounts
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21:51 < a1fa> and in reality, you only need 1, if none
21:58 < pardis> if you want to really jumble things up, give root a non-0 uid
21:58 < pardis> and watch everything that references root by name rather than uid break
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22:14 < thrig> I recall posix being vague on what passwd need contain?
22:14 < pardis> I thought vagueness was POSIX's raison d'être
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22:15 < thrig> sometimes, they insist on rand being bad
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