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01:13 < begriffs> Is this recommendation a good one? "It is recommended to set the script suid root. The script will then chroot and then drop privileges to the user set in the config file or to 
01:13 < begriffs> its real uid."
01:14 < begriffs> That's from the installation section of https://github.com/madroach/minimalist
01:14 < thrig> I'd be more prone to not make it suid but start it as root so that doas can screen for duplicate env vars and whatnot
01:16 < begriffs> Would I use doas in /etc/aliases then?
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01:21 < pardis> begriffs: it is generally a bad idea to make *any* interpreted script setuid
01:21 < pardis> it is prone to race conditions
01:22 < thrig> or security exploits, etc
01:23 < pardis> what the kernel actually does when it loads a script is that it opens the file, reads the #!, then executes the interpreter with the script as an argument
01:24 < pardis> there is a delay between the kernel executing the interpreter and the interpreter opening the script, during which time the script at that path may have changed to a completely different file, which may no longer be setuid
01:25 < pardis> this is alluded to in script(7)
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01:34 < begriffs> Oh, nice man page. I see the caveats section you're talking about.
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01:34 < oldlaptop> begriffs: I note that this project long predates pledge(2)/unveil(2)
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01:35 < oldlaptop> if all it's using root privileges for is chroot, I'd sooner it pledge/unveil itself (which ISTR there is support for in perl?)
01:36 < oldlaptop> *probably* not that huge a lift to make that change
01:36 < begriffs> Interesting, I do see https://metacpan.org/pod/Unix::Pledge
01:37 < oldlaptop> There is or used to be something in base, I thought
01:37 < thrig> perl -MOpenBSD::Pledge -e42
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01:38 < thrig> kinda tricky with some modules that want to autoload stuff after the pledge
01:40 < begriffs> So I would change the first line (#!/usr/bin/perl -Tw) to invoke with those pledge flags?
01:40 < oldlaptop> I wouldn't think so
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01:41 < thrig> -T won't gain you much (some argue for removing it from perl)
01:41  * begriffs reads https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD%3A%3APledge
01:41 < oldlaptop> if you wanted to replace its chroot call, you'd presumably need to study it and figure out which paths need to be unveiled and which promises it needs
01:42 < oldlaptop> (I would assume you'd also want https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD%3A%3AUnveil - which is what most directly replaces the abuse of chroot as a "sandbox")
01:43 < begriffs> Let's say I figure out exactly which paths it needs and which promises. When that's in place I run it from /etc/aliases like so?   minimalist-example: "|/usr/bin/doas /usr/local/sbin/minimalist.pl list"
01:44 < oldlaptop> The point of following my suggestion would be to remove any need for root privileges.
01:44 < thrig> aliases are probably run as root so doas probably isn't doing much
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01:47 < begriffs> Why does the script want root at all? Is it to be able to then switch into the role of a different dedicated user?
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01:49 < pardis> chroot requires root
01:51 < oldlaptop> If normal users could use chroot, they would be able to do things like substitute their own versions of interesting files like /etc/passwd
01:52 < oldlaptop> (presumably there are myriad other ways to do things like confuse setuid binaries)
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03:25 < hirigaray> avemestr: thank you
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03:44 < begriffs> I cloned the code locally and added unveil, but what is all the other getuid setuid stuff in this code block for?  https://github.com/madroach/minimalist/blob/master/minimalist.pl#L207-L238
03:45 < begriffs> If I won't be running as root, do I need any of that at all? Assuming it's a fancy way of doing  unveil($conf{directory})  and then change to non-root.
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04:13 < pardis> $> == 0 means effective uid is root
04:14 < pardis> if you aren't running as root, that if block will never be entered
04:14 < pardis> perl special variables are documented in perlvar(1)
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05:48 < chrisz> So minimalist is still in use?
05:49 < chrisz> You can run minimalist without root. But if you do, it will chroot and drop privileges.
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06:02 < njn> I wonder why there's been no summary of changes  for current, since the release of 7.3
06:03 < njn> I don't know if I'm up to reading 3000 messages in the archives lol
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07:12 < avemestr> I think the problem might be, if it is announced on e.g. https://www.openbsd.org/plus.html some people will "want" some specific change and therefore switch to -current, experience bugs, and then complain.
07:14 < avemestr> So a change might be "Now support for fancy new gfx", people switch to -current because of that, but accidentially somebody just broke some other part of the system, which can be expected to happen on -current.
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07:18 < betabube> i hope openbsd works with ventoy
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20:32 < adi_onl> Hi, I'm created an crunchgen conf file:
20:32 < adi_onl> srcdirs /usr/src/bin
20:32 < adi_onl> progs echo ls
20:33 < adi_onl> I'm doing crunchgen -m Makefile crunch.conf
20:33 < adi_onl>  make objs
20:33 < adi_onl> But make is giving me:
20:33 < adi_onl> ld: error: undefined symbol: _crunched_echo_stub
20:34 < adi_onl> These are the exact steps from the crunchgen(8) man page.
20:34 < avemestr> My guess is you need some "ln" lines, as shown in that manpage.
20:35 < adi_onl> Those ln's are some sort of aliases.
20:35 < adi_onl> It doesn't work with the ln's either.
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20:44 < adi_onl> It's related to this  -E      Don't prepend stub names with an underscore.
20:45 < adi_onl> Ok, running with -E gives me other errors related to ls.
20:45 < adi_onl> But removing ls from the progs list, gives me working binary with echo in it.
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20:48 < adi_onl> Had to add libs -lutil to get ls to work!
20:48 < adi_onl> Ok, fixed it!
20:48 < adi_onl> :D
20:48 < adi_onl> -E was the key!
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22:04 < cjones> good afternoon, I'm running into an issue when disabling the inteldrm driver and running syspatch. New kernels fail to install/relink because of the kernel re-ordering:
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22:04 < cjones> Relinking to create unique kernel... failed!
22:04 < cjones> !!! "/usr/libexec/reorder_kernel" must be run manually to install the new kernel
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22:05 < cjones> when I try to run "/usr/libexec/reorder_kernel" manually it just runs with no error but the kernel does not change
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22:09 < thrig> it's a shell script so maybe try -x
22:21 < adi_onl> Any tips for an Nvidia graphics card?
22:21 < adi_onl> Not supported by nv(4)?
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22:24 < sibiria> cjones: have you changed configuration of the kernel perhaps?
22:24 < sibiria> with config(8)
22:25 < sibiria> disabling inteldrm sounds like that
22:25 < sibiria> openbsd, being a bit different", changes the kernel file itself when configuring instead of keeping config in a separate file
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22:26 < sibiria> you will need to undo the config changes so that the kernel's checksum matches and so that it can be subjected to the patch
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22:42 < pardis> adi_onl: the only tip that comes to mind is "don't"
22:43 < adi_onl> Except that one! Haha! :D
22:43 < adi_onl> This is the laptop I have right now! :D
22:45 < oldlaptop> There really isn't anything else to say: only very old nvidia hardware has any form of support at all
22:45 < oldlaptop> if neither vesa or efifb is good enough, you need to find video hardware that is supported
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22:46 < oldlaptop> I'm told nvidia is slowly starting to open up their driver stack, which could *possibly*, theoretically, eventually lead to openbsd support some years from now
22:46 < oldlaptop> (supposing someone does the work)
22:47 < adi_onl> Which GPUs are well supported?
22:47 < oldlaptop> in the meantime, intel video hardware is pretty well-supported, as are most radeons (some of the new ones are relatively flaky)
22:48 < oldlaptop> a laptop with switchable graphics should work so long as there's some way to ensure the intel (it generally seems to be intel?) integrated GPU is actually connected to the display.
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22:49 < adi_onl> Anyway, I'm only asking for chrome, not sure how much GPU driver affects it.
22:50 < adi_onl> I'm running an ASUS N551JK-CN103D, not sure it has switchable graphics, dmesg displays inteldrm0: 1920x1080, 32bpp
22:51 < adi_onl> vendor "NVIDIA", unknown product 0x1391 (class display subclass 3D, rev 0xa2) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured
22:51 < adi_onl> inteldrm0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel HD Graphics 4600" rev 0x06
22:52 < oldlaptop> That would suggest you (a) have switchable graphics and (b) the intel integrated GPU is being properly detected and set up
22:53 < adi_onl> :D
22:53 < adi_onl> Cool!
22:53 < oldlaptop> unfortunately it's hard to say what each GPU is actually physically connected to
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22:59 < adi_onl> I'll check if I can disable the Nvidia GPU in BIOS.
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22:59 < oldlaptop> Sometimes that's possible; normally all that'll get you is some modest power savings from having the thing more thoroughly powered off
23:03 < adi_onl> But wouldn't that prove that the Intel GPU is connected to the display?
23:09 < oldlaptop> Wouldn't what prove that?
23:09 < oldlaptop> The dmesg proves that it exists, and (unfortunately) nothing more
23:10 < adi_onl> Disabling the NVidia GPU in the BIOS would prove the Intel GPU is connceted to the display.
23:10 < adi_onl> Assuming I have a "disable Nvidia GPU" function in the BIOS.
23:10 < oldlaptop> If a firmware setting to disable the nvidia GPU exists, that would imply it's physically connected to at least some output, probably (at minimum) the built-in display
23:10 < adi_onl> Agree!
23:10 < oldlaptop> (On the one switchable machine I made the mistake of buying, that is all it's connected to.)
23:11 < adi_onl> I understand!
23:11 < oldlaptop> The precise details of what's connected to what vary from machine to machine, sometimes even between very closely related machines.
23:12 < oldlaptop> (As I found out, the intel GPU is physically connected to the VGA port on a thinkpad T420/520, but not a thinkpad W520)
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