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00:13 < critr> the fdroid version of firefox is pretty good... fennel.
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00:19 < ssm_> GwenNelson: firefox patched for postmarketos
00:19 < ssm_> oh you're already using pmos
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03:56 < fengshaun> I'm trying out openbsd for a second time, how do I get started with pf without locking myself out? I'm looking for a safe starting point
03:56 < caze> Get a console.
03:58 < fengshaun> I do have one
04:00 < thrig> figure out how to disable or revert any changes, do that after a timeout after you make changes
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04:14 < hirigaray> sibiria: https://github.com/jackhumbert/pinebook-pro-keyboard-updater this is the firmware i just flashed, same issue, stuck at `ohci0 at mainbus0`... i'm trying to find a copy of the stock firmware 
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04:23 < hirigaray> well, I tried both default_ansi.hex and fw_ansi.hex and both stall at the same place
04:23 < hirigaray> oh well
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05:01 < avemestr> fengshaun: "console" in the meaning of a serial connection or something like that to the device, where you can connect even if there's no ethernet connection.
05:05 < avemestr> fengshaun: If the machine in question is some kind of VPS, your provider might provide a "console" or "terminal" or "KVM" through their website.
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06:25 < Intrepid> jcs guess what....
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06:29 < Intrepid> Hi All, I've got an encrypted (Crypto) USB stick that I did another backup to earlier today, however I think I might have got the order wrong in detaching it with bioctl before then trying umount... Now when I try and attach it I get prompted for the passphrase ok, but then it gives an error about it needing to be read only
06:31 < Intrepid> it also says something about needing to run fsck which I got some good help here before from jcs on..
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06:36 < Intrepid> I've just attached it successfully as I attempt to solve this... Then I run mount /dev/sd1i /mnt/USB only to get "Device not configured".... Where to from here?
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06:39 < Intrepid> Previously (before this error) I successfully had the USB crypto volume attached, and had copied a bunch of files to it, but then detached the volume before unmounting it....
06:40 < Intrepid> IIRC it actually wouldn't unmount in the first place which is maybe why I resorted to bioctl -d sd2
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06:46 < wraith> Hello everyone. Is the openssl software in obsd compatible with GNU/Linux implementations? My goal is to encrypt data on OpenBSD 7.3 and decrypt that on Debian 12. I know many tools like tar are not the same on BSD and GNU. Is it the case here as well?
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06:55 < dlg> yeah, should be fine
07:00 < IcePic> I think so too. If debian has a super modern ssl, it would still unpack the "slightly older" stuff created with libressl in openbsd
07:01 < wraith> Well I would use AES in CBC mode and specify a lot of things manually
07:02 < wraith> mainly message digest and pbkdf2 with iterations. salted of course
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07:09 < wraith> Thank you very much
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07:16 < fengshaun> thrig, thanks, figure out a good starting point, the syntax makes sense
07:16 < fengshaun> avemestr, yup, that's what I meant
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09:18 < fifi> hey, is tcl available for openbsd 7.3?
09:21 < IcePic> seems so
09:21 < IcePic> https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/packages/amd64/tcl-8.6.13.tgz
09:22 < IcePic> even precompiled packages for it
09:30 < IcePic> openports.pl <- good for searching for 3rd party stuff on openbsd. Feed "tcl" into the Name and you get results!
09:31 < fifi> ok thanks :)
09:31 < fifi> when I type: pkg_info -Q tcl
09:31 < fifi>  I only get nextcloud as result
09:34 < IcePic> I got 41 packages back, including tcl, and nextcloud
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09:35 < IcePic> I'm guessing my snapshot box has no "packages_stable" folder to look in, but 7.3-release has
09:35 < IcePic> in there, no new tcl, but an updated nextcloud
09:36 < IcePic> relevant thread on misc@ https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=168146775732185&w=2
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09:38 < fifi> ok
09:38 < fifi> ok thank you :)
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10:08 < Foxy_> fifi: tcl 8.5 and 8.6 are available in OpenBSD ports, see lang/tcl
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10:23 < fengshaun> ooo `pkg_info -a -Q`!
10:23 < fengshaun> it's 4:30am, I'm easily woo'd!
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10:44 < pardis> wait until you find out you can shorten it to `-aQ`
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13:11 < nature> Hi, does anyone use emacs with tree-sitter? I see that in the makefile of the port it is not built with it. Is it possible to use the tree-sitter port externaly, or should I change the emacs makefile to try to build it with tree-sitter?
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13:17 < nature> jca: I saw in the mailing and on CVS that you are the one currently taking care of it, anything I could do to help? I currently need it, so I could definitely test some preliminary ports if you have one, or try to hack one myself :)
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15:10 < oldfashionedcow> Folks, curious for opinons - why do you all use openbsd?
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15:13 < dayid> "just works"
15:16 < lts> "Minimal nonsense"
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15:19 < eea> "well documented and sane defaults, and stellar code quality."
15:20 < SiFuh> oldfashionedcow, It works and it is clean
15:21 < oldfashionedcow> similar reasons by the looks of it
15:21 < SiFuh> Next year I plan on replacing my trucks radio (Android shit) with an OpenBSD head unit. ;-)
15:21 < quinq> rand(3)
15:21 < eea> SiFuh: i would happily beta test that setup in my truck
15:22 < oldfashionedcow> heh fun
15:22 < SiFuh> eea: I am sure everyone here would. I just want an audio player. I am looking at those Riscv boards, but I will probably go something more simple like Rasberry Pi. 
15:23 < lts> What would make me use it more? "Give me a filesystem which survives crashes" "Further reduce the lock so that I can route full 10Gbps or more"
15:23 < SiFuh> Starfive vision2
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15:26 < SiFuh> oldfashionedcow: It just does what it should. I have it running my TV, my laptop, my main machine, my NFS/TV server. :-P
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15:26 < oldfashionedcow> lmao, sort of like gentoo over here :D
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15:30 < SiFuh> I just wish there was an OpenBSD celluar phone 
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15:37 < CosmicDJ> SiFuh: still not over it?
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15:40 < SiFuh> CosmicDJ: Nope ;-) Hahaha I only really carry a phone when I go long distance like another city or something. 
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15:43 < SiFuh> Celluar phones are just too closed source/hardware. 
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15:53 < sibiria> SiFuh: https://sites.google.com/view/paxo/paxo-phone
15:54 < SiFuh> sibiria: Cheers
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16:17 < hirigaray> sibiria: any more ideas regarding the standard/nonstandard firmware re: pbp? :(
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16:20 < sibiria> hirigaray: unfortunately not. i run the same trackpad/kb firmware you do, but admittedly last i tested openbsd on the PBP was before installing that firmware
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16:26 < hirigaray> sibiria: thank you for the help, though. i think I can't really do much but learn more atm (or wait for someone to fix it)
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16:27 < hirigaray> I probably should try submitting a proper bug report though
16:33 < jonadab> I'd settle for an OpenBSD laptop with a cellular modem and open-source software that can use the cellular service to make voice calls and send/receive SMS.
16:34 < jonadab> I know all the cool kids want something they can fit in a pocket so they can make use the phone at the grocery store, but I just don't care about that.
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16:34 < RobbieAB> Wouldn't work as a pager device, but otherwise pretty nice idea.
16:35 < jonadab> Right, if you have a legit need to be reachable when you're between buildings, I can see the need for a cellphone.
16:36 < jonadab> But that's not my scenario, and I don't think it's *most* people's scenario if they stop and think about it.
16:36 < RobbieAB> I'm always semi-on-call for work
16:37 < jonadab> Ah.
16:37 < jonadab> I assume "semi-on-call" means they want to treat you like you're on call when they need to call you, but don't want to pay you to be on call the rest of the time?
16:38 < RobbieAB> I mean "If things go really wrong, I don't have a job in the morning" :D
16:38 < jonadab> Ah.
16:38 < jonadab> That... doesn't sound boring.
16:38 < RobbieAB> Also, sometimes it's easier to jump in now rather than clean up the mess made tomorrow if I don't.
16:39 < jonadab> Sure.
16:39 < jonadab> I usually go in when my employer calls me at home, because it's not a big deal in most cases.
16:39 < RobbieAB> They pay well enough I'm not complaining about the lack of on-call... Effectively it's already in the base.
16:39 < jonadab> Ah.
16:40 < sibiria> i'm also semi-on-call. i get no extra pay for it, but as compensation i can refurnish my working hours more or less as i need or want to
16:41 < sibiria> 24/7/365
16:41 < RobbieAB> I think a lot of people in systems engineering roles tend to end up "Look, just call me if needed, and everyone be flexible and sensible"
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17:41 < jca> nature: you would have to change the Makefile.  I haven't found time to actually test the feature yet.
17:41 < jca> maybe I should just ship it
17:43 < nature> Would be nice :)
17:43 < nature> Do you already have a patch for the Makefile? I could try to build the port with it if you do
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17:44 < jca> nature: https://pbot.rmdir.de/ruJHR5qitQlant8rmstGiw
17:44 < clemens3> not a regular openbsd user. want to install 7.3 in qemu, and got this openbsd-73-base.pub file, how do you normally trust it?
17:44 < clemens3> i think i have some 6.4 image around, is there a way to trust the later file from that installation?
17:46 < nature> jca: Awesome thanks, do you want me to give you feedback on wether it works well?
17:46 < jca> nature: sure
17:48 < jca> the need to build .so modules to support various languages looks... annoying at best
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17:50 < jca> well, that seems to work fine
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17:57 < IcePic> clemens3: you could extract and validate each signify-pub-key from 6.4 to 7.3 if you need to
17:58 < clemens3> how? so if i am in the vm on 6.4, i download the signifypub key for 6.5 there and can i check that?
17:59 < clemens3> that sounds like what i want, now just how to do it..
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18:01 < phy1729> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/etc/signify/
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18:03 < IcePic> I think one would need to DL the sets (or at least the base65.tgz set) and run the validation on it. If the SHA256 checks out fine for this set, extract the signify keys from it, repeat for 6.6 and so on
18:06 < IcePic> no, the pub-key is in the top dir, so grab the key, and the SHA256 and SHA256.sig file
18:07 < vortexx> usually the next release keys are included with the current release (not -current, the X.Y-release) 
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18:08 < thrig> or they all might be under CVS?
18:09 < clemens3> aeh, ok, have to parse this ..., thanks!
18:09 < phy1729> They aren't signed in CVS though
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18:10 < IcePic> one could just upgrade the box all the way to 7.3, that would fix it automatically
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18:14 < clemens3> IcePic: ok, I will look how to do that step by step.
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20:17 < betabube> hi
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22:38 < cmburn> Anyone know off the top of their head which architectures support LLVM? Looking at trying to port something I'm writing
22:40 < oldlaptop> cmburn: https://openports.pl/path/devel/llvm lists the arches for which the port is built
22:41 < oldlaptop> that looks like ATM that's the same as the list of arches on which base llvm is the system compiler: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/devel/llvm/Makefile?rev=1.298&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
22:42 < cmburn> Oh, duh, I was looking around in the src Makefiles. Thanks!
22:44 < namtsui> also, you can check here https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/infrastructure/mk/arch-defines.mk?rev=1.98&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
22:44 < namtsui> CLANG_ARCHS and LLVM_ARCHS
22:46 < cmburn> Thanks, haven't dealt with OpenBSD as much as I used to, so I didn't seem to remember the infrastructure that well, my bad.
22:48 < oldlaptop> Aaaaaah
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22:48 < oldlaptop> so that isn't the arches on which clang/llvm is the system compiler (although I guess the only difference is sparc64?)
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22:55 < namtsui> it seems like it
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