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00:30 < reticuli> seems my apu2 even with the memqueue patches doesn't get more than 520mbps with pf and 630mbps without. I was hoping for gigabit but perhaps I'm CPU bound?
00:30 < reticuli> I actually didn't notice any speed difference before/after the patch but I confirm from dmesg that em* is configured with 4 queues
00:31 < reticuli> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=165642186010149&w=2 is the patch
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06:10 < Voyager_MP> how do I find the pid that is communicating with this ip 224.0.0.18 ?
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06:12 < renaud> 224.0.0.18 is a multicast address on your own network
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06:13 < Voyager_MP> I know 
06:14 < Voyager_MP> I see VRRP traffic on one VLAN with strange payload 
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06:14 < Voyager_MP>     [Checksum Status: Good]     IP Address: 126.85.252.143     IP Address: 148.16.24.189     IP Address: 65.84.149.181     IP Address: 240.126.189.75     IP Address: 63.124.214.44     IP Address: 96.16.161.188     IP Address: 101.43.39.187 
06:14 < Voyager_MP> I don't know that IP's 
06:16 < Voyager_MP> ospfctl show fib | grep 126
06:17 < Voyager_MP> cat I the the PID with netstat ? 
06:17 < Voyager_MP> cant 
06:17 < Voyager_MP> Sorry, can't I see the PID with netstat ? 
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06:23 < renaud> maybe with fstat
06:25 < Voyager_MP> hmm, no, I guess because its a multicast address
06:25 < V-T60> do we have a2enmod here on openbsd?
06:25 < V-T60> as far as i know, it comes with apache2 installation
06:25 < V-T60> but i can't find anything like this anywhere in my PATH
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06:32 < CosmicDJ> V-T60: IIRC a2enmod etc. is a debian thing
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06:33 < CosmicDJ> means it's not part of apache but written/used by Debian
06:34 < pardis> because ln(1) is for suckers
06:36 < V-T60> okay, i got it
06:37 < V-T60> how would i do this? a2enmod alias proxy proxy_fcgi 
06:38 < CosmicDJ> I would question my choice and start evaluating openbsds httpd
06:39 < V-T60> CosmicDJ: i was following a manual that writes this way: "...Apache is required because PrestaShop has complex URL rewriting requirements that are not supported by OpenBSD's built-in web server, httpd..."
06:42 < V-T60> i wanted to try, since it is a free software project which is used by many people
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07:06 < V-T60> what should i write in my apache2 configuration file to turn mod_php on?
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07:38 < xjl> hello. who is in charge of OpenBSD
07:39 < CosmicDJ> xjl: define "charge"
07:40 < xjl> power up
07:40 < lumidify_> CosmicDJ: "Electric charge is the physical property of matter that causes it to experience a force when placed in an electromagnetic field." :P
07:40 < IcePic> "I am Negan"
07:40 < xjl> well, is it THEO
07:40 < xjl> is there oversight?
07:41 < xjl> or a set of rules that are being followed, do developers do the same things
07:44 < IcePic> yes, there are social rules for developing OpenBSD
07:45 < IcePic> some artistic ones, like "man style", some quality guidelines, and https://www.openbsd.org/goals.html
07:47 < IcePic> theos talk on releases might share some insights on parts of the process: https://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2009-release_engineering/
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07:58 < pardis> you are in charge of OpenBSD
07:58 < pardis> that is what "THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS." means
07:59 < xjl> cool I am reading. but I am not author?
08:00 < IcePic> xjl: what is the actual question you are so skillfully circling around?
08:02 < xjl> No agenda. Just wondering if anyone is involved with the development. curious.
08:03 < renaud> lots of people are involved with the development
08:03 < IcePic> not really trying to accuse you of having a secret agenda, just hinting that if there was anything specific you actually wanted to know, then perhaps asking that particular question might speed things up
08:03 < xjl> like who everyone is. 667 people is a lot. I'm just a user.
08:03 < IcePic> this is not an officical obsd irc channel
08:04 < xjl> oh. what is this one about ?
08:04 < IcePic> there exists no official irc, discord, reddit, matrix, whatevers.
08:04 < IcePic> xjl: it works the other way around. This is a channel for people with obsd interest
08:04 < xjl> ok I have interest.
08:04 < IcePic> doesn't mean the people that produce openbsd releases and code give this channel any extra importance
08:05 < xjl> oh.
08:05 < IcePic> nor any other channel, forums, voicechats or whatever one can invent
08:05 < renaud> there is one with importance, but it's not public :)
08:05 < IcePic> people will make channels,forums,topics,chats around the world naming them "openbsd" and that has zero impact more or less.
08:06 < IcePic> the maillists are the public official "channels" posted on www.openbsd.org, and hence are official
08:06 < IcePic> since no other mediums are posted there, we can deduce they are not official, wherever they appear
08:08 < xjl> is it anything like this one? what would make it not public?
08:08 < IcePic> developers have their own internal communications
08:09 < IcePic> but most of the discussions still happen at the tech@ maillist
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08:10 < IcePic> as seen on https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html -> under the "Developer lists" heading
08:10 < xjl> oh cool I think I subscribed a long time ago
08:11 < xjl> hey are there ISOs of the CD releases somewhere? Or old discs for sale
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08:12 < IcePic> https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD carries almost all files ever released
08:13 < IcePic> old (commercial) CDs contained more than the ftp sites held, for different reasons.
08:14 < xjl> yes there was more. and songs
08:14 < xjl> and stickers
08:15 < IcePic> and humor in the hard-to-see short edges of the paper inlet in the CD cases
08:16 < xjl> I like the site or mirror.
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08:16 < xjl> yeah can they make more? who was making them and why was it stopped
08:16 < IcePic> the work did not match the income so they stopped
08:17 < IcePic> computers dont even have CD readers these days
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08:19 < xjl> that just makes it more sad. there was a lot of fun in those
08:21 < xjl> the old CD releases. they could do usb drives? I don't know.
08:21 < xjl> is there a best way to customize the kernel? a tool
08:21 < IcePic> It's somewhat like what we get in my country at times. The main icecream vendor says "we are stopping this particular kind of ice cream" and people go bananas over the "loss" of it, posting on social media about their childhood memories of this one ice cream that is super important to them, but noone reflects on that they stopped buying it for 20-30 years and that is why the company is stopping that 
08:22 < IcePic> product.
08:22 < IcePic> the ice cream factory will not keep a line going just because a post gets 10k likes, they will keep a product going if it has customers enough to be worth it. That simple really.
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08:24 < pardis> the best way to customise the kernel is not to
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08:25 < IcePic> xjl: and there is a "best" way, as stated in the openbsd FAQ, and that is more or less: "don't"
08:25 < IcePic> quote: Only the GENERIC and GENERIC.MP kernels are supported by the OpenBSD team.  [...] Reporting a problem on a customized kernel will almost always result in you being told to try to reproduce the problem with a GENERIC kernel.
08:25 < xjl> Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if I was the only one who wanted it.. but the few that do like the ice cream can't share it, if it isn't made..
08:26 < IcePic> so "if you break it, you get to keep both pieces"
08:26 < pardis> you particularly shouldn't if your goal is just to customise the kernel, rather than to fix some problem you're having by customising the kernel
08:26 < xjl> Yeah I don't want to edit it .. I just had an old system that was fast before one of the releases
08:27 < xjl> and the loading text thing.. console text
08:28 < xjl> I enabled smt and it looks like it works but it really isn't much faster, so ..
08:28 < pardis> how exactly are you planning to remedy that with a custom kernel?
08:29 < IcePic> in the 20 years of hyperthreading, I figure some things have changed, but in reality, the extra "threads" are not real cores and that means enabling them is not going to double your perf, even in the most optimal case
08:29 < xjl> maybe there is something that is slowing it down. lol.
08:29 < xjl> because it was fast before, I think 6.8
08:30 < pardis> but finding out what that is is a much bigger job than building a custom kernel
08:30 < pardis> so if you're stuck on "how do I customise the kernel?", it probably isn't for you
08:30 < xjl> oh .. I could ask.. one time somehow the kernel changed and I didn't do it.. and it was saying the signature was wrong but still booted
08:31 < xjl> can't know how to do anything until I do it.. but I've done stuff with Linux ones, just.. the tools basically just checking/unchecking boxes in menus..
08:32 < xjl> what I liked was that I could just take the original one and put it back.. but is there something that would modify it or change it
08:32 < xjl> I'd have to go back.. I did download a few ports that day... but I wouldn't think they'd change the kernel?
08:33 < IcePic> impossible to tell from a distance
08:33 < CosmicDJ> xjl: maybe syspatch and kernel relinking?
08:33 < IcePic> CosmicDJ: if done right, it would correct the sha256 for the new installation
08:33 < xjl> possibly... yeah
08:34 < xjl> the syspatch is done often
08:34 < pardis> if the system crashes at just the right moment, it can get into a state where the checksum doesn't match
08:34 < pardis> or the wrong moment, depending on how you look at it
08:35 < xjl> e
08:35 < xjl> So I copied the original back from one of the mirrors and syspatch again but it didn't change it that time
08:35 < pardis> the original will not match your local checksum
08:35 < xjl> and it hasn't changed since I copied it back
08:36 < xjl> but it did somehow... .
08:36 < xjl> because when I copied it from the mirror then it was fine.. no more err
08:36 < pardis> if you didn't get an error relinking the kernel, then the kernel would have changed
08:36 < pardis> you just said it hasn't changed
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08:37 < pardis> anyway, the kernel relink log has advice for what to do to fix the problem, if you care to look at it
08:37 < xjl> I think I tried relinking or something .. one of the suggested commands for that error.. it didn't work.. so I downloaded the kernel again and ran syspatch again and it didn't change it, and it hasn't changed since I did that and no more error
08:38 < xjl> It may have been syspatch I just didn't want to think maybe something else did it. where is the relink log?
08:39 < pardis> the path will be shown to you along with the error if relinking fails, but it should be at /usr/share/relink/kernel/*/relink.log
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08:40 < pardis> anyway, I suspect the reason you're getting no error is that you aren't trying to relink the kernel
08:40 < pardis> that's the only way what you're saying makes any semblance of sense
08:43 < xjl> oh ok thanks. yes maybe it was that. it kept trying to relink ?.
08:44 < xjl> is there recommended more compatible open source hardware.. or hardware that is preferred
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08:55 < xjl> riceandbeans
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08:55 < sibiria> xjl: sure you didn't run "config" to change some kernel parameter?
08:55 < sibiria> in openbsd's case, that changes the actual kernel file
08:56 < sibiria> re: "somehow the kernel changed"
08:57 < sibiria> after that the checksum will not match what syspatch expects, so syspatch will fail until you undo the changes
08:58 < pardis> s/syspatch/reorder_kernel/
08:59 < pardis> syspatch only runs reorder_kernel if there are kernel patches, and will continue to apply userland patches just dandy even without KARL enabled
09:04 < sibiria> ..
09:04 < sibiria> we're of course talking about his kernel woes
09:06 < pardis> is that a reason to mention tools that don't care one way or another about the kernel checksum?
09:06 < pardis> might as well say it's what ksh expects
09:06 < sibiria> obvious context vs detail nitpicking
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09:06 < pardis> it's not obvious to someone who is new to OpenBSD and learning the system
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09:09 < sibiria> no; the CONTEXT is obvious
09:10 < pardis> no, it really isn't
09:10 < pardis> "syspatch will fail until you undo the changes" is not correct; it will only fail if there are kernel patches to apply, which is not the case if the kernel patch has already been installed and failed to relink
09:10 < pardis> so saying that will mislead a new user into thinking that everything is fine if syspatch has nothing to do, and therefore does not fail
09:11 < sibiria> i'll go have coffee and leave you in peace to overthink this
09:12 < pardis> there is really no need to get so defensive over providing additional information that a new user should be aware of
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