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02:39 < villehardouin> vortexx Is OpenBSD data the correct partition type? it's the only one i see in cfdisk
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02:47 < vortexx> villehardouin: yes
02:47 < vortexx> type A6
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02:50 < mischief> man. i remember i had an asrock machine where the bios would hang if there was an openbsd partition on the disk.
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03:33 < villehardouin> vortexx I don't get what the disklabel part is for https://riedstra.dev/2021/07/openbsd-multiboot
03:33 < villehardouin> disklabel -E sd0
03:34 < villehardouin> (I want encryption btw)
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03:41 < lts> Please use the official documentation. Even your link says "You should read the OpenBSD FAQ on this as well" and links to the page explaining it
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04:05 < myappie> imho the online manuals are inefficient, so trying to make a new one.
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04:22 < tommyrot> the faq is usually pretty effective, and always current
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05:07 < villehardouin> lts there are no instructions for encrypting just a partition
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05:12 < lts> Aren't the bioctl commands in the FAQ always encrypting just a partition?
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05:29 < villehardouin> lts it says full disk encryption but it works for partitions. i got confused by the terminology
05:31 < dennis> you create a large partition, encrypt it, and then you partition the encrypted partition into several smaller partitions.
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05:42 < IcePic> as opposed to say, mdraid on linux, the openbsd crypto device you get after encrypting can contain partitions because it becomes a "real" device like any other disk would be
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05:53 < dennis> IcePic: you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you can put partitions on mdraid if you want to
05:53 < dennis> though, I believe norm is to just use lvm, which is highly flexible
05:55 < IcePic> dennis: I'm sure many guides says you make partitions on raid1 devices, then mdraid over them. I guess they might have improved mdraid recently, but this was the norm before
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05:58 < dennis> the norm is to create a partition on each device (though, you don), raid the partitions, and then put lvm on top. but mdraid just gives you a virtual device - you can do whatever you want with that virtual device.
05:58 < IcePic> the md devices get names like /dev/dm0 and /dev/dm1, you given that subpartitions on linux get a number (sda -> sda1), then /dev/dm1 can't have partitions, because it would collide with dm11, dm12 and so on
05:58 < IcePic> md0, md1*
05:58 < dennis> s/though, you don/though, you don't have to/
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06:01 < dennis> my md-devices does not have dm-names. only my mounted partitions have dm-names.
06:02 < dennis> your md-device would get a dm-name if you put a filesystem directly on it
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06:07 < dennis> (and mounted it)
06:07 < IcePic> I mixed up dm -vs- md, but I was thinking of cases like this from the linux kernel raid wiki: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
06:08 < oldlaptop> IcePic: linux does have ways around that (because some normal block devices get named with numbers)
06:09 < IcePic> I'm sure they have a quirk for it, just saying that the guides all say "make partitions on your drives, and raid them"
06:09 < oldlaptop> you'll get names like "mmcblk0p1" for what openbsd calls sdmmc(4) devices
06:09 < IcePic> one raid for boot, one for /, one for swap, one for..
06:10 < oldlaptop> I mean, I'd assume there's some reason for that other than "the device node names would be tricky"
06:10 < oldlaptop> (I'd hope there's some reason other than that)
06:11 < dennis> IcePic: with openbsd we always say "please use official documentation". The same goes for Linux - there's a lot of misconceptions that gets repeated on the web
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06:11 < IcePic> https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup
06:14 < dennis> IcePic: what about it?
06:15 < IcePic> dennis: that is where I quoted from, hoping it was not a source of those misconceptions that fly around
06:16 < dennis> I can't see where it says to create multiple partitions and then raid them - like one raid for boot, one for swap, one for /, etc
06:17 < oldlaptop> it does appear to assume you'll be creating filesystems directly on the raids, rather than creating partitions on them
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06:18 < dennis> you don't have to though. as mentioned I believe the norm is to put lvm directly on top of mdraid
06:19 < oldlaptop> also doesn't look like a very intensively maintained document: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php?title=RAID_setup&action=history
06:19 < dennis> no, the kernel wiki is notoriously out of date. unfortunately.
06:19 < oldlaptop> (the 2020 edit is "oh i'll add a package manager command for suse)
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06:21 < IcePic> I also believe the norm is to put lvm on top of the raid device, which wuold be fairly consistent with "we dont want or we dont currently support subpartitioning of raid devices"
06:21 < IcePic> if anyone has a throwaway linux vm handy and can see if fdisk likes you to run on an md raid, it would be interesting
06:21 < oldlaptop> It could also be "we don't want to waste time with normal boring partitions when we have zooty lvm thingies"
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06:29 < IcePic> https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Partitioning_RAID_/_LVM_on_RAID says: "A RAID device can only be partitioned if it was created with an --auto option given to the mdadm tool. This option is not well documented, but here is a working example that would result in a partitionable device made of two disks -- sda and sdb:
06:29 < IcePic> mdadm --create --auto=mdp --verbose /dev/md_d0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb"
06:30 < IcePic> perhaps this is default now, but it seems it wasnt when they wrote the wiki.
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06:31 < IcePic> also, the "make diff. raids" might have come from things like this also: "Current recommendations are to use metadata version 1.2 except when creating a boot partition, in which case use version 1.0 metadata and RAID-1."
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06:46 < dennis> IcePic: https://s3.dnns.no/tmp/partitions.png
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06:47 < dennis> you can put partitions on mdraid-devices :)
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07:07 < IcePic> dennis: thanks for testing it for me
07:07 < dennis> (: np
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15:08 < kodcode> My USBasp programmer is not getting detected. When I first connected it, in dmesg I got `uhub0: device problem, disabling port 3`.
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15:11 < kodcode> https://clbin.com/yGfRA is dmesg with several attempts. Running `avrdude -p t85 -c usbasp` returned `avrdude: error: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5dc vendor='www.fischl.de' product='USBasp'`
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16:27 < villehardouin> pardis I finally got around to installing openbsd today... for the 'i' disklabel, what size should it be? i know yesterday you said it's a reference to the existing EFI system partition
16:30 < sibiria> 100mb is a common size for the ESP
16:37 < pardis> you should not configure the size in the disklabel
16:37 < pardis> the autogenerated partition uses the size of the "real" partition in GPT
16:37 < villehardouin> pardis yeah i left it as is
16:39 < villehardouin> i installed the sets and everything seems to be working... i can boot into both linux and openbsd now
16:39 < villehardouin> thank you for your help guys
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17:20 < et09> migrating an old server freebsd->openbsd, the main todo is that the old server has a postfix+dovecot setup... any particular recommendations? 
17:21 < et09> its just personal server so downtime doesnt really matter
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17:22 < et09> basically just want smtp, imap and the fancy me+foobar@whatever.com plus addressing 
17:22 < et09> with letsencrypt certs
17:24 < et09> about to just follow https://www.vultr.com/docs/an-openbsd-e-mail-server-using-opensmtpd-dovecot-rspamd-and-rainloop/ 
17:25 < avemestr> et09: https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/ might be a good read.
17:25 < avemestr> By the primary developer of OpenSMTPD.
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17:59 < et09> hm.  i thought i had some kind of fancy postgres/mysql for mail storage but looks like it's just boring old /var/mail/[user] and ~/mail (Maildir) format.  i assume i can just copy and paste this? 
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18:00 < sibiria> rdbms is a bit unnecessary and overkill for storing a few personal mails compared to maildir, no?
18:00 < et09> eh, couple gigabytes
18:00 < et09> but it's not my preference, it's just what i thought i had
18:01 < sibiria> still. it only complicates the setup unless you need to search through a lot of it, often
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18:02 < et09> well, precisely, i have plain text files now and i assume this is a painless migration?
18:02 < sibiria> either way opensmtpd can only store mbox and Maildir
18:02 < et09> right heh
18:02 < et09> so yeah these are mbox i guess
18:02 < sibiria> mbox is the single huge file. Maildir one file per message
18:02 < et09> yep 
18:03 < et09> easy peasy 
18:03 < villehardouin> When running xorg how can i make it so the session stays when switching to tty2 and back?
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18:09 < reticuli> Is there a pf-specific channel or is it OK to ask in here?
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18:18 < lts> Go ahead
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18:23 < reticuli> from `tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i pflog0` I'm seeing rule 14/(match) block in on vlan50: 192.168.50.102.48014 > x.y.z.a : P 3628819509:3628819545(36) ack 3300921758 win 501 <nop,nop,timestamp 4124571997 1998893114> (DF)
18:24 < reticuli> first question, is how can I see what rule 14 is? I tried `pfctl -v -sr` but I'm not sure how the number on the left is related to the above?
18:25 < reticuli> apologies, `pfctl -vv -sr` will give some number in the 1st column, not just -v
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18:25 < reticuli> the entry there is `@14 block drop log all`
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18:26 < thrig> a drop all rule dropping all?!
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18:26 < lts> That is your rule 14, yes
18:27 < lts> Means your wanted traffic did not get matched, or your rule 14 matched them afterwards
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18:29 < reticuli> sorry for using dpaste but here are my pf rules in full: https://dpaste.com/B7N2ZGV2N
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18:30 < villehardouin> How to remove 'You have new mail' when logging in?
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18:31 < thrig> what shell?
18:31 < villehardouin> ksh. also, is there a way to have .config/ksh/kshrc or something similar?
18:31 < villehardouin> a custom config location
18:31 < reticuli> from the pf log above, what that means is some packet from 192.168.50.102 to the internet x.y.z.a:443 got blocked? It's curious because that host is a laptop and it doesn't appear to have any issues contacting hosts on the internet
18:31 < villehardouin> (on linux i'm used to bash)
18:32 < lts> reticuli: your last rule is "block out .. from 192.168.50.102 to any". I'm guessing you're hitting that
18:32 < thrig> probably one sets an ENV for ksh to read
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18:33 < reticuli> lts: curiously enough that last rule doesn't work unless I put it up before the nat rule (next to the printer)
18:33 < reticuli> (which was my second question)
18:34 < reticuli> would also be interested in hearing any thoughts on my ruleset, this is my first time using pf on openbsd
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18:35 < sibiria> villehardouin: you unset the MAIL variable
18:35 < sibiria> and possibly one or two more that might need to be unset, too
18:36 < villehardouin> thank you, do you know if it's possible for a custom ksh config file?
18:36 < sibiria> you can see what you have with "env"
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18:37 < sibiria> villehardouin: yes but you'll have to redirect ksh there yourslf
18:38 < sibiria> locally, or globally by altering things in /etc
18:38 < sibiria> easier to just source another file from your .profile 
18:38 < vortexx> villehardouin: .~kshrc and .profile are what you need
18:39 < vortexx> ugh
18:39 < vortexx> ~/.kshrc
18:39 < vortexx> well done on getting OpenBSD installed and dualbooting
18:39 < villehardouin> yeah i'd prefer .config/ksh/kshrc
18:39 < villehardouin> Thanks, it took me like ten minutes after starting today xD i already knew what to do yesterday thanks to you
18:39 < vortexx> then add ENV=~/.config/ksh/kshrc to your .profile
18:41 < lts> villehardouin: "block in quick on egress from <martians> to any" is likely quick blocking anything from 192.168.0.0/16
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18:41 < sibiria> or ". ~/.some/thing.rc"
18:43 < lts> Ah, scratch that, it has "in"
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18:44 < vortexx> btw the smallest an EFI partition can be for OpenBSD to use it is just 480kb
18:45 < vortexx> not recommended for dualbooting but for VMs it works fine, and it's the default size the installer will automatically use
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18:55 < villehardouin> vortexx btw, do you know why xorg shuts down when switching from tty2 back to tty1?
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18:58 < reticuli> em0 is my wan interface, I don't think this log entry is what I want? Sep 04 14:53:39.362838 rule 14/(match) block in on em0: 142.251.111.188.5228 > <wan_ip>.60343: P 1860323676:1860323700(24) ack 3448568043 win 265 <nop,nop,timestamp 2872626289 658022> [tos 0x80]
18:59 < reticuli> I'm not actually sure why these packets are being blocked because my internet/nat works just fine from what I can tell
18:59 < vortexx> villehardouin: I don't, I haven't experienced that behaviour before. Might want to check /var/log/Xorg.log ?
19:00 < vortexx> (I haven't booted into OpenBSD on my laptop in a while, as my AX500 wifi chip isn't recognized)
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19:01 < mischief> reticuli: the log message tells you the rule number.
19:02 < reticuli> mischief: "@14 block drop log all" according to `pfctl -vv -sr`
19:02 < mischief> well, there you have it.
19:03 < reticuli> mischief: I suppose it's because I'm missing egress/$wan here: https://dpaste.com/B7N2ZGV2N#line-33 ?
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19:04 < reticuli> I'm not exactly sure if that's what I want? nat seems to be working fine so I have no idea what these dropped packets are
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19:07 < mischief> i didnt have my coffee yet and i'm not really an 'expert'
19:07 < mischief> that said i think your firewall is working as intended
19:08 < mischief> 142.251.111.188 sent you an ack. there was no state, so it was blocked and logged
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19:13 < reticuli> Thanks, it does appear to be working as intended. Was just spending my afternoon tightening things up where possible.
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19:26 < mischief> reticuli: you might try setting up ack prioritization
19:27 < mischief> makes things a little more responsive when there's a lot of packets flying around.
19:28 < reticuli> mischief: thanks, I'll look into that
19:29 < mischief> https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf.5#set~2
19:29 < mischief> i just put it on my NAT line https://github.com/mischief/ansible/blob/master/roles/router/templates/pf.conf.j2#L15
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19:33 < mischief> you could also use set queue rather than set prio, but i dont do that because i only have one queue (just to limit outbound bw)
19:34 < reticuli> mischief: very interesting read
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19:36 < reticuli> mischief: just added `set prio (3, 6)` like you did and I could be hallucinating but my apu2d is now routing 550mbps from 520mbps before
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19:39 < mischief> 😀
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19:42 < mischief> reticuli: i think it helps more in a situation where your upload speed is constrained and you want a fast download
19:42 < mischief> i have 1000M/30M cable here so.. not a very big pipe for those acks to go down
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19:43 < reticuli> I just upgraded to 2gbps symmetrical, waiting on a protectli to see if I can route above 1gbps, I think this apu2d at 550mbps is at the max
19:44 < reticuli> although I read horror stories about the i225 NICs, unsure what the current state is
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19:47 < mischief> hm. i have an odroid-h2 with rtl8125
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19:52 < reticuli> I was thinking about getting that
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19:53 < black_dinamo> about SBC's I'm trying to install OpenBSD on a Banana Pi M5 here 
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19:54 < mischief> i think someone else here has the newer odroid-h3, maybe they can report on it
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19:57 < vortexx> reticuli: apu2d under OpenBSD won't do full gigabit, you need to use a different OS unfortunately
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19:58 < villehardouin> does ksh allow for command history ?
19:58 < reticuli> vortexx: yeah freebsd was able to route gigabit on this
19:59 < reticuli> villehardouin: you prob need some HIST related env vars to make it work iirc
19:59 < mischief> villehardouin: rtfm
19:59 < villehardouin> mischief nobody cares :)
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20:03 < quinq> Then don't ask if you don't care
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20:05 < chakuari> hi
20:05 < chakuari> got a question about lynx browser
20:06 < chakuari> I'm trying to set it up so to view images with nsxiv viewer, but I'm not able to make it work
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20:06 < chakuari> setting up .lynxrc doesn't work
20:06 < chakuari> /etc/lynx.cfg doesn't work either
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20:07 < chakuari> I tried to set up XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND:nsxiv %s&
20:07 < black_dinamo> I
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20:08 < chakuari> and also VIEWER:image/gif:nsxiv %s&:XWINDOWS, as per help file
20:09 < chakuari> but they don't seem to work
20:09 < chakuari> the only option I see when activating the link is download (or cancel)
20:09 < chakuari> any tip?
20:09 < chakuari> I also set MAKE_LINKS_FOR_ALL_IMAGES:TRUE
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20:10 < quinq> chakuari, how does it not work?
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20:11 < chakuari> I can only download the image, but not open it in the nsxiv program
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20:12 < black_dinamo> I
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20:13 < thrig> damn peer
20:13 < chakuari> I tried also VIEWER:application/pdf:zathura %s&:XWINDOWS, for example, but also in this case I can only download and not open the file
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20:20 < quinq> chakuari, maybe through /etc/mailcap
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20:23 < et09> there we go, all migrated 8-) 
20:24 < et09> i love how openbsd doesn't have /usr/local/etc and such for every major package
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20:48 < vi-user> hey guys, I'm having some problems getting openbgpd to couple my fib
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20:49 < vi-user> I have some ipv4 routes being announced to me by an upstream ebgp client and for some reason even after explicitly adding `fib-update yes` it still doesnt work
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20:49 < vi-user> when I run `bgpctl show fib bgp` it doesnt show anything
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20:50 < vi-user> I'm using a config based heavily on this one https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/etc/examples/bgpd.conf
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20:59 < villehardouin> vortexx So xorg isn't crashing. It's weird. When I type CTRL+ALT+F[2, 3, 4, 6], xorg moves over to ttyC4 (CTRL+ALT+F5). When I type CTRL+ALT+F1 it says 'AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch'
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21:03 < villehardouin> On linux it stays at the first tty
21:04 < villehardouin> oh nvm, x session starts on ttyC5 for some reason
21:04 < villehardouin> ttyC4*
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22:44 < villehardouin> I typed 'su' on the command line and typed 'env' and it's showing USER=villehardouin
22:44 < villehardouin> Wat
22:45 < mybalzitch> you need - to            Start the shell as a login shell with an environment similar to a real login:
22:47 < villehardouin> yeah but 'su could source /root/.profile?
22:47 < villehardouin> should*
22:47 < villehardouin> it does on linux
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22:55 < sibiria> it depends on what shell you summon after su
22:56 < sibiria> if you want to simulate a real login, use "su -l"
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23:46 < reticuli> I keep getting connection attempts from hosts behind stretchoid.com. I don't have any ports open but logging these in pf. Should I do something about this or just leave it?
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23:56 < tommyrot> you shouldn't even be logging that kind of nonsense
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