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03:26 < AlaskanEmily> Do I need to do like, do anything to enable journaling on FFS partitions? I seem to be getting a lot of permanently corrupted files when I have an unexpected shutdown.
03:26 < fro> no
03:27 < fro> there's no journaling
03:30 < oldlaptop> good ideas include: not mounting filesystems async, trying to ensure you don't get "unexpected shutdowns"
03:30 < oldlaptop> journals themselves don't really "prevent" data loss, they mostly enable fsck to clean it up more quickly
03:30 < AlaskanEmily> When a RAM stick starts to go bad, it's hard to avoid the latter 100% of the time. :(
03:31 < oldlaptop> If a RAM stick is going bad, it sounds to me like that's a more likely cause of random data corruption
03:31 < oldlaptop> especially if it's bad enough to cause the system to randomly crash
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03:31 < AlaskanEmily> I was under the impression they ensured that at the absolute least, you could revert to a state where all blocks in a file were from either the last or second-to-last version on disc.
03:31 < oldlaptop> (I'd check the power supply before I blamed RAM if I were you, incidentally)
03:31 < AlaskanEmily> It was only causing crashes due to an assert in kernel malloc.
03:32 < AlaskanEmily> removing that one stick made it go away for a week. Just to test I switched to only that stick, and in a matter of minutes another assert/panic.
03:32 < AlaskanEmily> So I'm pretty sure that was the problem (or at least one problem). It's also a laptop.
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03:33 < oldlaptop> That does sound pretty decisive. (Also a lot harder to just swap out the "power supply")
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03:35 < AlaskanEmily> Yeah. Now I have the unenviable task of finding a compatible replacement laptop RAM stick for a 6 year old laptop :/
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03:37 < oldlaptop> anyhow, journals do not really (to my understanding, IANA fs wizard) make sure that updates to files are atomic or anything like that
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03:38 < oldlaptop> things like sqlite and postgres have to go to great (great) lengths to make sure they're properly resistant to unrecoverably corrupt disk files (and even they can't account for disks that don't work as advertised, or OSes that don't work as advertised)
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03:38 < oldlaptop> "fsyncgate" is an unfortunately interesting search term
03:42 < thrig> databases sometimes say give me some raw disk and skip the filesystem layer
03:42 < oldlaptop> that's certainly an alternative headache
03:43 < AlaskanEmily> Some databases are filesystems, and vice versa :X
03:45 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD uses an advanced hierarchical document-oriented NoSQL database named "ffs"
03:46 < AlaskanEmily> Forget porting Hammer2, I'm just gonna port sqlite as the new filesystem.
03:48 < oldlaptop> that is actually (very) slightly less insane than it sounds
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10:52 < Posterdati> hi
10:52 < zelest> Hi
10:52 < Posterdati> please help, is it possible to use spi and i2c on raspberry pi 3b+ (OpenBSD 7.3). Thanks!
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10:57 < Posterdati> ?
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11:04 < sibiria> yes. but i don't know if there are any useful tools ported for it
11:04 < sibiria> at the least you'd have to "bit-bang" the ports
11:05 < sibiria> at least you can always*
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14:24 < jx0> Hi all, I'm trying to install openbsd onto a remote debian11 server from grub but I can't seem to get a DHCP address nor set my gateway. I'm sure I'm missing something on my end, can someone point me in the right direction?
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15:16 < jx0> is this room active?
15:16 < Lucas6023> yes
15:16 < Lucas6023> that doesn't mean that people is able to answer your questions tho
15:17 < jx0> no worries, just thought I'd ask. 
15:18 < Lucas6023> in particular, your description isn't super clear: what is the meaning of "install openbsd onto a remote debian11 server from grub"? why is relevant that it's debian11 and it's from grub? Where you can't DHCP? is it the installer? is it during PXE?
15:19 < Lucas6023> I'd assume that the debian11 part can acquire DHCP, right?
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15:20 < Lucas6023> is the remote server a VPS? what provider? do you have VNC / console access to it?
15:21 < jx0> I believe I've worked through the networking issues (hopefully?) but now the Openbsd installer is returning: "Unable to get a verified list of distribution sets."
15:21 < Lucas6023> I'd suppose that means the time is off
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15:22 < jx0> I did catch a time error that flew by when the installer loaded
15:22 < Lucas6023> enter '!' (without quotes) at the prompt. That will drop you into a shell. There, run `date`. If the time is off, fix it running `date 20230906152225`.
15:22 < Lucas6023> ehm, `date 202309061522`
15:23 < Lucas6023> the 25 at the end doesn't really matter, and the right syntax for it would have been `date 202309061522.25`
15:24 < jx0> thank you, date (returns): Wed Sep 6 15:22:47 GMT 2023
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15:27 < Lucas6023> when? running only `date` for the first time? after setting the date?
15:27 < Lucas6023> are you now able to continue with the installation?
15:28 < jx0> running 'date' the first time returned: Wed Sep 6 15:22:47 GMT 2023
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15:29 < Lucas6023> ok. Share the output of `ifconfig`, please.
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15:32 < jx0> I really appreciate your help but I'm not sure how to copy/paste from the IPMI web interface
15:33 < jx0> so I'm not sure what the best method to share the output of ifconfig is
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15:36 < Lucas6023> screenshot, smartphone pic, ...
15:37 < thrig> have your lovely secretary type it up
15:38 < jx0> thrig: when I can afford one I'll put that memo out
15:39 < jx0> ifconfig output: https://ibb.co/vQBDBY7
15:40 < jx0> I didn't want to start spamming links, thank you for clarifying
15:41 < thrig> they're probably called administrative assistants these postmodern days
15:43 < Lucas6023> jx0: and can you `ping 8.8.8.8`? if that works, can you `ping www.google.com`?
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15:45 < jx0> Lucas6023: 'ping -c3 8.8.8.8' returns: 100.0% packet loss
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15:48 < Lucas6023> then you don't have internet access
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15:50 < jx0> lol, yep. must have misconfigured it when the installer couldn't find dhcp
15:51 < Lucas6023> and that's all the time I can help for now
15:51 < jx0> thanks, much appreciated
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16:01 < riceandbeans> What is the RFC defining the SSH URI?
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16:06 < onebitboy> https://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes/uri-schemes.xhtml
16:06 < onebitboy> it's provisional, so there is no rfc yet
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17:00 < armin> new addition to the family is a thinkpad x230 i just put openbsd on. works nicely aside from the broken battery.
17:01 < armin> unfortunately i only have an old x220 9 cell battery lying around and the x230 won't eat that because it says the battery is faulty on boot or something.
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17:30 < mfny> Hi all
17:30 < mfny> anyone around ?
17:33 < thrig> nope
17:33 < Bradipo> Anyone left yesterday.
17:34 < mfny> oh damn, i missed him, oh well lol
17:34 < mfny> jk
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17:35 < mfny> about to try installing OpenBSD on an old secondary machine
17:35 < mfny> because I am bored
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17:37 < Bradipo> And you were looking for Anyone's audience to cheer you on?
17:43 < jonadab> If you are really bored, try installing every major released version of OpenBSD on it, in chronological order.
17:43 < jonadab> It'll be fun, it'll be fun, it'll be fun.
17:43 < acidsys> if you are really really bored, try installing them in reverse chronological order
17:47 < jonadab> If you're *extremely* bored, try porting OpenBSD to a previously unsupported hardware architecture.
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17:48 < mfny> lol
17:49 < mfny> Bradipo: Anyone is a fine cheerleader
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18:50 < armin> hm, i find no way to disable the trackpad on my x230 without disabling the trackpoint, too
18:50 < armin> anyone a pointer?
18:51 < jcs> they are both pointers
18:52 < armin> they're both the same pointer technically, even.
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18:52 < jcs> try wsconsctl mouse.tp.disable=1
18:52 < armin> O.O
18:53 < armin> jcs: works like a charm, thank you. <3
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19:19 < il> You also might have that option in bios.
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21:11 < mischief> .~~.
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22:20 < nature> Good evening, I am using the irridium web browser and I see that the browser triggers the flag for "prefers-reduced-motion", where can I disable that?
22:21 < nature> After looking extensively, there seems to be no options to force disable it on chrome/chromium, and I also tried adding the "gtk-enable-animations = true" option to gtk-3.0 config
22:23 < nature> A little test to check wether it's enabled or not: https://jsfiddle.net/justmaxl/2cwqry3p
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22:38 < reticuli> does veb(4) add much overhead compared to using raw interfaces? I currently have em0 (wan), em1 (wap), em2 (host1) and considering simplifying things with veb.
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23:35 < mischief> reticuli: works fine here
23:36 < reticuli> I'm already stuggling to get 540mbps on this apu2d, worried if veb will have a dramatic impact
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23:37 < sibiria> just forwarding frames across a bridge, without involving pf, is very fast
23:37 < mischief> reticuli: here's a nickel kid, get yourself a better router.
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23:37 < sibiria> the bottleneck you're seeing is in this case pf
23:37 < reticuli> mischief: I have one on order actually
23:38 < reticuli> Will give it a try
23:39 < mischief> there's some junk sprinkled around my ansible tree in https://github.com/mischief/ansible for setting up veb+nat if you want to look
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23:39 < mischief> basically, `up` all your ports lan, add them to veb, add a vport to the veb, and then run nat from the wan to the vport
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23:40 < reticuli> mischief: thanks a lot!
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