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00:03 < sibiria> complete 7.3/amd64 with no package added totals to 1.9
00:03 < sibiria> won't be anything left for more than a few syspatches
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00:08 < vortexx> better remote syslog and don't log anything locally
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01:25 < vortexx> I'm trying to setup multipath routing using this guide: https://www.neant.ro/nix/failover-loadbalancing-outgoing-traffic-on-openbsd-with-pf-and-ifstated.html
01:25 < vortexx> the only reason I'm still connected is because I'm not doing it for IPv6 since one of the uplinks doesn't speak that
01:26 < vortexx> can't connect from the outside to ssh, can't connect from the inside to anything IPv4 reachable
01:26 < vortexx> has anyone tried this with success before?
01:26 < vortexx> yes I have ifstated running
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01:33  * myappie rearranging his new AI OS to look like OpenBSD
01:34 < myappie> finally managed to "kidnap" chatgpt into my own thing. now it's gonna do my sysadmining too :-)
01:35 < myappie> its knowledge on openbsd is limited though, so im using vector databases to teach it
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01:41 < GnarledHorn> as I was pkg_add'ing gnucash, i was watching the long list of dependencies keep installing... when I saw webkit, I couldn't let it continue
01:41 < myappie> but man
01:41 < myappie> man.openbsd.org needs and upgrade
01:42 < vortexx> dunno how many lines I posted went through so posting again:
01:42 < vortexx> I'm trying to setup multipath routing using this guide: https://www.neant.ro/nix/failover-loadbalancing-outgoing-traffic-on-openbsd-with-pf-and-ifstated.html
01:42 < myappie> to not only account for mans, but all info
01:42 < myappie> http://www.openbsd.org/papers/opencon06-drivers/ => why does this have to be presented in pictures
01:43 < myappie> GnarledHorn: may i recommend https://github.com/RubyMoney/money instead perhaps?
01:44 < vortexx> has anyone tried this with success before?
01:44 < vortexx> I think I've got some NAT issues, I'm proxying through the firewall/router for IPv4 to get connectivity, otherwise it doesn't work
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02:50 < Abdullah> So I have 7.2. I want to upgrade it. Things I have done so far are, `syspatch` and I have old installurl
02:50 < Abdullah> syspatch is still running. Do I have to change installurl and then do `pkg_add -u`
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02:56 < mischief> Abdullah: man sysupgrade
02:56 < il> Abdullah, have you tried sysupgrade?
02:56 < thrig> also is cloudflare still broken
02:57 < Abdullah> sorry guys, I just read the docs. so I have to run sysupgrade
02:58 < Abdullah> thrig: I can open the cloudflare website. 
02:59 < thrig> yep, looks like cloudflare is still broken
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03:00 < Abdullah> OpenBSD supports usb 3?
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03:02 < Abdullah> I'm using OpenBSD on a USB drive and its kinda slow. Maybe I'm using wrong port. 
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03:39 < lts> man usb -> man xhci
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03:45 < Abdullah> cool
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05:49 < FUZxxl> Greetings
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07:01 < Abdullah> After wifi disconnect, my sysupgrade command is stucked. Should I kill it or wait some more time?
07:02 < Abdullah> its stuck on this line for more than 10 minutes. qemu-7.1.0->7.2.0p1 (processing)|...
07:02 < Abdullah> in ps, its I+
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07:28 < avemestr> myappie: How is "RubyMoney/money" in any way an substitute for gnucash?
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07:30 < avemestr> Abdullah: Why disconnect network while running sysupgrade?
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08:38 < kodcode> Hi, anyone with experience cross-compiling on OpenBSD for the  RPI Pico?
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09:01 < il> That's really ambitious, 264k of RAM
09:01 < il> and 16mb of flash
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09:15 < kodcode> il: Yeah, not looking to run an OS on that, just to compile on my OpenBSD machine binaries and upload them to the Pico.
09:17 < kodcode> (w/o the entire Pico SDK)
09:19 < il> ah, i misunderstood
09:20 < il> maybe you could run forth on it, i've gotten an stm32 mcu last week and flashed mecrisp-stellaris on it haha
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09:24 < kodcode> il: According to their website, the Pico is indeed supported, interesting
09:25 < il> yes, after flashing it, you just need a serial console connection (usb ttl) to 'talk' to it
09:25 < avemestr> Dunno if this is of any use: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/x3mtld/raspberry_pi_pico_w_python_working/
09:25 < il> and you program it 'live'
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09:26 < mischief> kodcode: might look at platformio for that target, but i dont think platformio runs on openbsd..
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12:04 < Abdullah> so I have a crypted disk (luks). How can I use it with OpenBSD? I tried to find cryptsetup but there is no such package
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12:07 < magnahelix> Abdullah: luks is a Linux subsystem. OpenBSD is not linux.
12:09 < MelanieMalik> to put a finer point on it, LUKS is, as far as I know, a Linux kernel module, and the OpenBSD kernel doesn't support the necessary interfaces
12:09 < MelanieMalik> because they're two different types of OS kernel, sharing only that they sit at the centres of UNIX-like operating systems.
12:10 < magnahelix> ^ well said.
12:10 < MelanieMalik> so it's like the difference as against the Macintosh, or as against Solaris.
12:11 < magnahelix> Conceptually similar in many ways yet implemented in different and incompatible ways.
12:11 < sibiria> doesn't matter that it's a kernel module or not. openbsd doesn't have native support to grok LUKS' data format anyway
12:11 < sibiria> but there used to be a tool for it in the ports, maybe still is
12:12 < il> grok, heh
12:12 < MelanieMalik> I think there was someone who managed to make a GELI (FreeBSD-specific encrypted volume) mount up on Linux by writing a program that used a Linux-specific networked block device protocol
12:13 < Abdullah> Hmm
12:13 < sibiria> Abdullah: check out the "libluksde" package
12:13 < Abdullah> ok
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12:14 < MelanieMalik> Abdullah, Realistically, your best chance would be to put that disk into a Linux computer (either physically or logically using a hypervisor; I don't know if OpenBSD's built-in hypervisor supports this), and mount the disk in that Linux computer, and then run a network filesystem such as NFS (if OpenBSD supports that).
12:15 < MelanieMalik> If it's LUKS, it's very likely also formatted using a Linux-specific filesystem, and not one that OpenBSD can read.
12:15 < sibiria> most likely ext4
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12:15 < MelanieMalik> sibiria, btrfs has been gaining popularity
12:16 < magnahelix> A plain read-only ext linux partition can be read. I just would not ever mount that as read write.
12:16 < magnahelix> To me it's just asking for unnecessary trouble.
12:17 < Abdullah> what about opening OpenBSD encrypted on linux?
12:17 < sibiria> openbsd can read/write ext2 100%, ext3 depending on enabled features to 95%
12:17 < Abdullah> I just want to copy some files from it to my OpenBSD 
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12:17 < MelanieMalik> Abdullah, again, you'd do well to fire up another machine with that disk in it
12:17 < sibiria> Abdullah: no-go. so far nobody has ported any of openbsd's disk crypto systems
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12:18 < sibiria> veracrypt is a portable option
12:20 < magnahelix> I'm going to guess veracrypt would have to use a fat32 file system.
12:20 < Abdullah> I have python installed. Here is a port I'm trying to install but it says dependencies not resolved. https://github.com/knightjoel/awscliv2-on-openbsd
12:20 < sibiria> fat32 if you want it to r/w everywhere including windows
12:21 < magnahelix> oof.
12:21 < magnahelix> I mean it'll get the job done if you truly had to be _that_ portable.
12:23 < Abdullah> I have ninja, python3.9, python3.10, python3.11 installed. But can't instal it
12:23 < magnahelix> It's definitely not an easy situation. You'd need separate boxes or virtual machines and then use something like scp/sftp to transfer data between the encrypted disks/partitions.
12:24 < Abdullah> Fatal: Missing support for module lang/python. (in sysutils/awscliv2)
12:25 < Abdullah> magnahelix: I've uploaded them to s3 from linux box. Now I need aws cli on OpenBSD to get them here. 
12:27 < Abdullah> ah I think if I export aws credentials and then run terraform, it will work without aws cli?
12:28 < magnahelix> I have zero experience using s3. Don't know what to tell you. :(
12:28 < Abdullah> magnahelix: s3 is aws storage. 
12:29 < magnahelix> Yeah, it's amazon's storage platform. I just have not ever used it.
12:30 < sibiria> Abdullah: it's not an ideal solution, but you can make the bucket publically accessible but locked to your specific IP address
12:30 < sibiria> that way you can just sling the files over https
12:30 < Lucas6023> Abdullah: no, you don't need the CLI. If the bucket isn't public, get a presigned URL from the web console.
12:30 < sibiria> yeah or that, also works
12:31 < Abdullah> Thanks mates :)
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12:37 < avemestr> MelanieMalik: OpenBSD supports NFS up to version 3.
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14:40 < avemestr> What's the diff?
14:41 < nature> oh actually I found it, my local readline.h is the same as this: https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/b6b5cb82290926427d57bd102b08b1489bdd2497/gnu/lib/libreadline/readline.h#L288
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17:52 < joe9> I want to connect to a vm image using a different speed. Any suggestions on how to go about it, please?
17:52 < joe9> The default vm console speed is 115200
17:52 < joe9> the vm is starting with a console of 38400
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17:54 < joe9> got it, just used cu instead of the vmctl console.
17:56 < vortexx> cu ftw
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21:13 < vortexx> any experts on multipath routing around? I followed this: https://www.neant.ro/nix/failover-loadbalancing-outgoing-traffic-on-openbsd-with-pf-and-ifstated.html and I'm not having much luck getting traffic through one of the two uplinks with IPv4
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