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a pastebin 15:48 -!- adip [~adip@c141-73.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 15:49 < zyxer> https://clbin.com/IPcBM 15:49 < zyxer> that's all lines that aren't commented ( cat | grep -v '#'|clbin) 15:50 < zyxer> I didn't change anything from before when it worked. Now I changed to minimal just to debug. I am not sure what the issue is. 15:51 -!- onebitboy [~onebitboy@user/onebitboy] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 15:51 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52 -!- absc [absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::4] has quit [Quit: Got to go. irctk trunk] 15:52 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 15:52 < il> what sort of an issue do you get when you try to open your site in a browser? 15:52 < zyxer> it just loads and loads and then times out 15:53 < CosmicDJ> zyxer: sounds more like a firewall issue 15:53 -!- onebitboy [~onebitboy@user/onebitboy] has joined #openbsd 15:54 < zyxer> Hmm... Perhaps I accidentally started pf on server (I use only router pf atm) 15:56 < zyxer> No, pf not enabled on server. I did check the routers pf and saw nothing weird. Let me double check 15:56 -!- QDX45__ [~QDX45@c-66-31-228-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 15:58 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has joined #openbsd 15:58 -!- QDX45_ [~QDX45@169.150.227.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59 < CosmicDJ> zyxer: fstat | grep :443 shows that httpd is running? 16:00 -!- ClaudioM [claudiom@tilde.institute] has joined #openbsd 16:01 -!- teliu [~paul@2001:9e8:83f9:2900:6355:edd8:4f2d:bdb8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01 < zyxer> CosmicDJ: Yes, 3 times on IPv4 and 3 times on IPv6... Did it end up running multiple times? Uh... Let me try and kill them all and then start it 16:02 < zyxer> Hmm... I stop and all disappear, I start and all disappear 16:03 -!- ripdog [~ripdog@user/ripdog] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03 -!- ripdog [~ripdog@user/ripdog] has joined #openbsd 16:06 -!- NicknameJohn [~NicknameJ@187-27-149-137.3g.claro.net.br] has joined #openbsd 16:07 -!- nonlinear [~nonlinear@h24-49-96-104.altonm.broadband.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openbsd 16:07 < zyxer> https://clbin.com/sAKex 16:07 < dayid> zyxer: httpd will run multiple listeners by default. 16:07 < zyxer> oh, ok, 16:08 < dayid> So you have DNS resolution, you're not running pf, and have confirmed httpd is running, right? 16:09 < zyxer> Yes, or pf is running on router 16:09 < zyxer> router pf.conf: https://clbin.com/Jr77g 16:10 < zyxer> I forgot to remove all commented things... 16:10 < dayid> I'd add a "log" statement to your line like `pass in on egress inet proto tcp from any to any port 443 rdr-to 10.0.1.51 port 443` 16:10 < zyxer> Let me double check DNS resolution my Domain Name Registrar has been messy 16:10 < dayid> your DNS is fine. 16:11 < dayid> My next would be one of (or both): `doas tcpdump -i pflog0 -e -ttt port 443` on whatever is running pf to make sure the packets are getting-to-it, etc. The pflog method is preferred to me because it helps debug the ruleset (but requires your pf.conf to have like `pass in log` 16:12 < dayid> w/o using pflog just like `doas tcpdump -i $NIC -e -ttt port 443` for whatever NIC you have (em0/run0 etc) 16:12 < dayid> Likewise from where your router is --- make sure it can access the 10.0.1.51:443 to rule out any routing/communication between the router and that rdr-host. 16:15 < zyxer> It must be able to access, I host IRC on my server and the only internet it has is through the NIC on router 16:15 < zyxer> Or is my reasoning flawed on that? 16:16 < dayid> I don't follow. 16:16 < dayid> I don't know if "server" means the pf/router or another machine or what - but also a different port/service so will hit different rules. 16:17 < zyxer> "Make sure it can access the 10.0.1.51:443" 16:17 < dayid> Right, so from your pf/router --- ftp/curl/whatever 10.0.1.51:443 16:17 < dayid> make sure that the pf machine has a route and can access the httpd running on 10.0.1.51 16:17 < zyxer> oh, ok. 16:18 < zyxer> telnet should work right? 16:18 < dayid> Someone from the internet hits your domain --- it hits your PF/pub IP - should hit your pf.conf rule which then redirects to 10.0.1.51 port 443 -- which then should have the listener on port 443 active 16:18 < dayid> The domain -> IP part works (DNS). You confirmed that port 443 has a listener on it - so now confirming the next bits of communication 16:19 < dayid> sure 16:19 < zyxer> hmm... Interesting. telnet from router (pf device) to 10.0.1.51 connection refused 16:19 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1011:a2d4:c2f9:107d:afb3:2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20 < zyxer> Nah, telnet 10.0.1.51 443 listens 16:20 < zyxer> Gets connection 16:21 < dayid> OK, so your router can redirect to the server. 16:21 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has joined #openbsd 16:21 < dayid> So then you're at finding out where the breakdown is between a packet coming to your router on its IP that resolve from your public DNS name to it hitting that pf.conf rule and redirecting. 16:22 < dayid> Which goes back to the pflog/tcpdump above (presuming that the IP that your zone resolves to is currently correct --- because I confirmed it does resolve, but if it's not a static IP - perhaps it resolves incorrectly) 16:23 -!- jacobk [~quassel@64.189.201.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23 < zyxer> It should be static IP. I pay extra for that 16:23 < zyxer> Let me double check because some IP location did indeed change today (bf got email about new login location for a game) 16:24 < dayid> yeah, worth double-checking vs debugging against a dead-end. 16:24 < zyxer> OK so THERE IS THE ISSUE 16:24 < zyxer> My IP has changed 16:24 < dayid> So if you hit the new IP (presuming it is DHCP-assigned to the pf machine so it's already listening) does that work? 16:24 < zyxer> To I think NAT, this starts with same IP number I had before I had puiblic 16:25 < zyxer> I can check but I think this is NAT 16:25 < dayid> aah, so the provider was direct-assigning to your machine and now it's a NAT from them to you? 16:25 < dayid> That may be it then. 16:25 -!- reset [~reset@user/reset] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25 < zyxer> I suspect that, let me double check. Perhaps I misunderstood and just got a public IP but not static 16:25 < dayid> I wouldn't bother updating your DNS until just checking the pf machine and what its public IP is etc 16:26 -!- jak3b [~jak3b@user/jak3b] has joined #openbsd 16:26 < zyxer> yea and I really need static IP since I also run another domain with glue record to my IP 16:27 < zyxer> and the domain name registrar doesn't allow me to change that at all, need to contact support for that 16:28 < zyxer> I am behind NAT, the new IP doesn't work to connect to 16:28 < zyxer> Thanks so much for your time and help. 16:32 < dayid> Yep, good luck 16:35 -!- Ellenor is now known as MelanieMalik 16:36 -!- jak3b [~jak3b@user/jak3b] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.4] 16:37 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1011:a2d4:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has joined #openbsd 16:37 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:37 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #openbsd 16:38 < zyxer> dayid: Does OpenBSD change mac adress at times? 16:38 -!- drustan_ [~drustan@leeway.pilat.me] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:38 < zyxer> My ISP assigns public IP to specific mac adresses, so if my router spoofed another mac then that could have caused the issue 16:38 -!- drustan_ [~drustan@leeway.pilat.me] has joined #openbsd 16:39 -!- cruncher [~cruncher@user/cruncher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 -!- buq [~buq@user/buq] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:40 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 16:43 -!- unpx [~unpx@151.51.158.219] has joined #openbsd 16:45 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46 < dayid> zyxer: the MAC should come from the hardware and should not change. 16:46 < dayid> That's not to say you _can't_ do things like spoofing, setting up NIC aliases, etc - but in normal use -- no. 16:47 < dayid> Depending upon your setup they may/may-not be using your OpenBSD machine's MAC also -- that depends on how your connectivity is. For example, here in USA with Comcast they assign the mac of my hardware modem-box because I don't have it configured for full pass-through as opposed to the mac of my openbsd/router. 16:48 < zyxer> I have my router connected directly to WAN, my ISP doesn't enforce any hardware at all 16:49 < zyxer> Andit worked before, unless there was a hardware change in NAT or somewhere along the way to my flat, then there was no change 16:50 -!- onebitboy [~onebitboy@user/onebitboy] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 16:50 < zyxer> I use an APU... 6? Or some APU router model from pcengines 16:51 -!- onebitboy [~onebitboy@user/onebitboy] has joined #openbsd 16:52 -!- gh34 [~textual@cpe-184-58-181-106.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #openbsd 16:59 < dayid> yeah, guess that would depend on how they're handling the nat/mac relationship 17:00 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@123-192-192-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:01 -!- buq [~buq@user/buq] has joined #openbsd 17:04 < GnarledHorn> Hello friends. I'm installing packages on a new installation. I've done a `sysupgrade -s` to get onto current. As I'm adding my quality of life packages, I see python-3.10.13 is failing due to a dependency on library intl.7.0 - I have /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.8.0 present (owned by gettext-runtime-0.22 apparently). Anyone else encountered this error recently? 17:04 -!- reset [~reset@user/reset] has joined #openbsd 17:04 < GnarledHorn> I updated machines just yesterday or the day prior with no issue (these machines having most of the same packages installed) 17:04 -!- concrete_houses [~g@c-73-47-11-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06 < phy1729> Wait for packages to get rebuilt 17:06 < GnarledHorn> note that I was using the cdn.openbsd.org installurl but have also tried with another installurl 17:11 -!- sheikhshard [~Administr@123.158.103.152] has joined #openbsd 17:17 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:20 -!- sheikhshard [~Administr@123.158.103.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20 -!- onebitboy [~onebitboy@user/onebitboy] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 17:21 < oldlaptop> GnarledHorn: There'll be (for snapshots) periods of time where the package archive is a bit behind 17:21 < dayid> GnarledHorn: also with snapshots you may need pkg_add -Dsnap at certain times of year so often is useful to just use it anyways if you're following snapshots. 17:21 < oldlaptop> or for CDNs in particular you might get weird inconsistencies because not all mirrors sync at the same instant 17:22 < oldlaptop> if *really* desperate I suppose you could build from ports - the mirror will be up to date before you finish building python's dependency tree, probably 17:26 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 17:27 -!- onebitboy [~onebitboy@user/onebitboy] has joined #openbsd 17:32 -!- Eyesack [~Thunderbi@user/Eyesack] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 < GnarledHorn> oldlaptop: thank you for the background. Thankfully this is not a time-sensitive issue :) 17:34 < GnarledHorn> dayid: I'll adjust my habits to do that, thank you. 17:34 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 17:36 < dayid> The "-Dsnap" is mostly right before releases are made in spring/fall, but running snapshots it "doesn't hurt" to have the rest of the year either. 17:39 -!- jelle- [~jelle-@delta.apodis.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:39 -!- jelle- [~jelle-@delta.apodis.net] has joined #openbsd 17:42 < oldlaptop> there is a brief period, just before the release, where snapshots think they are the forthcoming release, not snapshots 17:43 < thrig> happens often twice per year 17:45 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:46 < vortexx> has beta period been announced? 17:47 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has joined #openbsd 17:47 -!- imega [~coma@89.206.80.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:48 < oldlaptop> the release I built today thinks it's -current 17:48 -!- qqq [~qqq@92.43.167.61] has joined #openbsd 17:50 < vortexx> ok thanks oldlaptop 17:53 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:56 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has joined #openbsd 18:02 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has quit [Quit: format_c] 18:02 -!- memset_ [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 18:04 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:04 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Quit: lavaball] 18:07 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@c-73-35-234-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: desnudopenguino] 18:07 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@c-73-35-234-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 18:07 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 18:09 -!- Leone [~Leo@216.154.0.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14 < phy1729> vortexx: fwiw this is the file to check https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh 18:16 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has joined #openbsd 18:17 -!- ajr [uid609314@user/ajr] has joined #openbsd 18:23 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1011:a2d4:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26 < eea> ooo 7.4 inches closer to reality 18:27 -!- Onepamopa [~Onepamopa@78.83.17.196] has joined #openbsd 18:27 < eea> i am rather proud of my growing collection of openbsd release tshirts 18:28 -!- todi1 [~todi@p5dca5734.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 18:28 -!- todi [~todi@p5dca5c94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:28 < eea> and the looks i get from noobs and nerds 18:28 < eea> eh, openbsd snobuch? kinda looks 18:29 < eea> snob much, not snobunch 18:30 < thrig> my openbsd t-shirts have more holes in the default install 18:31 < fro> i doubt anyone notices what t-shirt you're wearing 99% of the time 18:31 < zyxer> Hi. I tcpdump -i and after ^c I see results, packages recieved by filter and packets dropped by kernel. What do they mean? The phrasing makes me a bit unsure. Isn't it pf that drops packages, not the kernel? 18:32 < zyxer> fro: My colleague has OpenBSD shirts and I notice it 18:33 < fro> your anecdote doesn't make something more likely to happen or not 18:33 < fro> but ok 18:34 < eea> it does not happen frequently, but when it does i really enjoy it 18:34 < eea> yes, please, ask me about openbsd. 18:34 < eea> and how awesome it is 18:35 -!- zxrom [~zxrom@mm-111-14-212-37.vitebsk.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined #openbsd 18:35 -!- bouncy_ [~ben@user/benoit] has joined #openbsd 18:36 < fro> then everyone claps after you tell them about openbsd 18:37 < phy1729> zyxer: man bpf see BIOCGSTATS 18:39 -!- EtherNet [~ethernet@user/ethernet] has joined #openbsd 18:41 < zyxer> phy1729: Thanks! 18:42 < vortexx> phy1729: cheers 18:43 -!- leah2 [~leah@vuxu.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:44 -!- leah2 [~leah@vuxu.org] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- todi1 is now known as todi 18:45 < zyxer> Ok wtf, is it realistic I should get so much packet traffic that my OpenBSD router can't keep up and has to drop packets? And note that it is not on server interface 18:46 -!- nature [~user@46.23.92.148] has joined #openbsd 18:48 < phy1729> I don't think I've ever seen the number be non-0, but my interfaces aren't that busy and I generally filter a bit 18:48 < thrig> if you annoy someone they might ddos you 18:50 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169471694704537&w=2 & https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169471514603399&w=2 two same messages, different titles... Same person, AI or what? 18:50 < zyxer> phy1729: I guess you don't have windows machines on them? Apparently, 1minute and 22 seconds of tcpdump I have 38894 packets recieved and 13819 packets dropped by kernel 18:50 < thrig> windows is chatty 18:50 < phy1729> Are you not filtering at all? 18:50 < vortexx> zyxer: do you still have log activated in pf on one of your interfaces? 18:51 < thrig> this was more of a problem on 10 meg ethernet on a hub 18:51 < vortexx> also make sure you're using block drop and not block return 18:52 < extrowerk> juhu, 7.4 is coming :) 18:52 < zyxer> It should be filtering ? I have ubound filter through like a pihole and then filter through 9.9.9.9 DNS, and I am pretty sure I have block drop 18:52 < thrig> yeah block drop is very sensible if you have windows machines that when they go to sleep they sometimes generate 6,000 packets per second forged ipv6 traffic 18:53 < zyxer> set block-policy drop 18:53 < zyxer> I don't have IPv6 for some unholy reason 18:53 -!- Vigdis [~danj@ns4.chown.me] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:53 < phy1729> I mean filtering in tcpdump and not just dumping everything 18:53 < zyxer> oh 18:53 -!- Vigdis [~danj@ns4.chown.me] has joined #openbsd 18:53 < zyxer> I am dumping everything I think 18:53 < zyxer> tcpdump -i em2 18:54 < zyxer> I am mostly curious to learn what normal traffic looks like on tcpdump 18:54 < zyxer> Or, normal network traffic 18:54 < dayid> I'd suggest like: `doas tcpdump -i em2 port Y` at a minimum for debugging - though tcpdump on a pflog is much "cleaner" to read IMHO 18:55 < thrig> and not port 22 19:00 < zyxer> Oh, you're right, I am on SSH maybe data echoes back and forth 19:00 -!- icy [~icy@user/icy] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00 < dayid> yeah, ssh is going to be very noisy if you're remoted into the machine you're tcpdumping on 19:00 < zyxer> can I listen to all except port 22? Also it wasn't for debugging it was just for fun to see what the traffic looks like 19:00 < dayid> `port not 22` 19:01 < thrig> someone clever might use udp/22 for something 19:01 < zyxer> Haha I expected a flag not 'not' 19:02 < zyxer> I am the clever one using port 22 (internally only) 19:02 < dayid> pftop is also pretty useful if you just want to poke around with general network traffic 19:02 < dayid> (as well as iftop, amongst others) 19:02 < zyxer> excluding port 22 I still dropped 1522 packets in 1 minute 19:03 < zyxer> Oh, external WAN port shouldn't get any LAN traffic, and it also gets insane amounts of packets 19:03 < thrig> it's a grammar, e.g. doas tcpdump -c 3 host tty.sdf.org and not port 22 19:04 -!- aa [~Username@104.28.200.197] has joined #openbsd 19:04 -!- aa [~Username@104.28.200.197] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:05 < dayid> Amount of packets isn't to telling, but 1522 in a minute is arguably pretty low 19:05 < zyxer> it is dropped 19:05 < zyxer> otherwise 10012 19:05 < dayid> That's why often you'll want to tcpdump to a file and then parse it later if you're debugging something vs trying to watch it scream-by 19:06 < zyxer> Yea yea 19:06 -!- icy [~icy@user/icy] has joined #openbsd 19:06 < zyxer> I just wanna watch and get a feel for things, understanding how network behaves and that 19:06 < dayid> I'd suggest for such academic studies to limit yourself to particular source/destinations and services 19:07 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has joined #openbsd 19:07 < dayid> like limit it to a laptop with a particular https destination so you can see the packets as you connect/download content, etc. 19:07 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 < zyxer> Good idea 19:07 < dayid> Likewise doing experiementing w/o a true service on the other hand but just a netcat listener can also be clarifying 19:07 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@cpc151199-smal19-2-0-cust100.19-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openbsd 19:07 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@cpc151199-smal19-2-0-cust100.19-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:07 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 19:08 < zyxer> Thanks for the info. How does a netcat listener differ from tcpdump? 19:08 < dayid> a netcat listener is just a way of listening on a port -- you'd still use tcpdump to look at the traffic. 19:09 < dayid> instead of your port having a "real" httpd, ssh, dns, etc listening on it (and thus sending whatever responses) a default netcat listener is pretty much just listening with nothing 19:09 < dayid> e.g., `nc -l 8888` in one pane/terminal then from another `nc localhost 8888` and type ;) 19:09 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #openbsd 19:10 < zyxer> Oh, ok. 19:10 < zyxer> :D 19:10 < zyxer> Well, I think I'm gonna go make some cookies now 19:10 < zyxer> See ya! 19:15 -!- zyxer [~anon11@h-155-4-133-114.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:16 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17 -!- zyxer [~anon11@h-155-4-133-114.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 19:18 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 19:38 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BD1D700DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:38 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BD1D700DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 19:41 -!- Kilroy [Kilroy@user/Kilroy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has quit [Quit: Polarian has disappeared] 19:43 -!- jacobk [~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu] has joined #openbsd 19:44 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has joined #openbsd 19:47 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1011:a2d4:c2f9:107d:afb3:2] has joined #openbsd 19:49 -!- away is now known as mx 19:50 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has quit [Quit: Polarian has disappeared] 19:51 -!- memset_ [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 20:01 -!- markand [~markand@markand.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- Thorne [~thorne@user/Thorne] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:01 -!- Kilroy [Kilroy@user/Kilroy] has joined #openbsd 20:01 -!- Thorne [~thorne@user/Thorne] has joined #openbsd 20:02 -!- markand [~markand@markand.fr] has joined #openbsd 20:11 -!- Bradipo [~amb@50-77-44-29-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- NicknameJohn [~NicknameJ@187-27-149-137.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:13 -!- weezelding [~weezel@severi.biz] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:13 -!- weezelding [~weezel@severi.biz] has joined #openbsd 20:16 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has left #openbsd [] 20:17 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@46.235.98.195] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:20 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has joined #openbsd 20:20 -!- mrblarg64 [~mrblarg64@142-165-167-195.sktn.static.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #openbsd 20:22 -!- QDX45__ [~QDX45@c-66-31-228-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:23 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has joined #openbsd 20:23 -!- tjdaugaard [~tjdaugaar@nat-cgn9-185-107-12-178.static.kviknet.net] has joined #openbsd 20:23 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has left #openbsd [] 20:31 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41 -!- geekthattweaks [uid433447@user/geekthattweaks] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:44 -!- cioz1 [~CIOZ4@185.86.81.4] has joined #openbsd 20:46 -!- jacobk [~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:46 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 20:47 -!- cioz1 [~CIOZ4@185.86.81.4] has quit [Client Quit] 20:48 -!- markie [~markie@143-42-229-181.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd 20:48 -!- markie is now known as agentcasey 20:48 -!- nwe [~nwe@sigwait.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:48 -!- nwe [~nwe@sigwait.se] has joined #openbsd 20:57 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has joined #openbsd 21:00 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has joined #openbsd 21:04 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:08 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:08 -!- nonlinear [~nonlinear@h24-49-96-104.altonm.broadband.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:09 -!- nature [~user@46.23.92.148] has quit [Quit: good night] 21:11 -!- jak3b [~jak3b@user/jak3b] has joined #openbsd 21:11 -!- monaco [~savage@user/monaco] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:11 -!- monaco [~savage@kav.hax.al] has joined #openbsd 21:18 -!- LW [~LW@i5E866B5F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 21:19 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:24 < rjc> so... instead of tunefs, i ran newfs - but, apart from that - hadn't written anything to the disk yet - any ideas how to recover the old files? 21:25 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1011:a2d4:c2f9:107d:afb3:2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25 < thrig> I like big backups 21:27 < rjc> no backups as it is all stuff from iplayer so i can get most, if not all, but it'll take a while - trying to avoid it if possible 21:29 < thrig> probably some data recovery tool that knows how to hunt around for inodes, and then hopefully some filenames might be found somewhere else and stuff 21:29 < Bradipo> sleuthkit (and similar)? 21:29 < Bradipo> photorec? 21:30 < rjc> Bradipo: yeah, i was thinking about photorec 21:31 < Bradipo> I think it's going to be amazing if you get anything though. 21:42 -!- thedaemon [~thedaemon@user/thedaemon] has joined #openbsd 21:43 -!- jak3b [~jak3b@user/jak3b] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.4] 21:47 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:51 < aaronm04> Is it possible to check from bsd.rd whether we booted into EFI mode? 21:52 < ssm_> aaronm04: I think if you see efifb(4) being loaded instead of vesa(4), you're using uefi 21:53 < uwharrie> https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/nuvbv5/can_i_tell_from_a_booted_machine_whether_it_uefi/ 21:56 -!- Error [err@user/error] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:57 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #openbsd 21:57 -!- Error [err@user/error] has joined #openbsd 22:00 -!- meros67817602046 [~meros@213-64-148-45-no600.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 < Bradipo> Just out of curiosity, why does one care whether it booted via efi or not? 22:00 -!- meros67817602046 [~meros@213-64-148-45-no600.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openbsd 22:02 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 22:03 < ssm_> efi is more secure if you're not using drm(4), since you don't need to use the aperture driver 22:04 -!- zyxer [~anon11@h-155-4-133-114.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:05 < aaronm04> Bradipo: well I think my EFI firmware is buggy, so that's another reason I care 22:06 < aaronm04> Thanks ssm_ 22:06 -!- Stx_ [stx@libera/staff/stx] has joined #openbsd 22:06 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 22:07 -!- fstd [~fstd@xdsl-87-79-188-180.nc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 -!- fstd [~fstd@xdsl-87-79-188-180.nc.de] has joined #openbsd 22:10 -!- gh34 [~textual@cpe-184-58-181-106.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:10 -!- dev1ls [dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 22:10 -!- Stx [stx@libera/staff/stx] has quit [Ping timeout: 612 seconds] 22:10 -!- dev1ls [dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has joined #openbsd 22:13 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has joined #openbsd 22:14 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 22:18 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 22:20 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has joined #openbsd 22:24 -!- miojo [~miojo@191.18.133.188] has joined #openbsd 22:25 -!- zwr [~zwr@200-97-246-16.user3p.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:26 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:31 -!- jacobk [~quassel@utdpat241106.utdallas.edu] has joined #openbsd 22:31 -!- tjdaugaard [~tjdaugaar@nat-cgn9-185-107-12-178.static.kviknet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:32 -!- zwr [~zwr@200-97-246-16.user3p.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openbsd 22:41 -!- op2 [~op2@user/op2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has joined #openbsd 22:51 -!- Stx [stx@libera/staff/stx] has joined #openbsd 22:53 -!- tjdaugaard [~tjdaugaar@nat-cgn9-185-107-12-178.static.kviknet.net] has joined #openbsd 22:55 -!- Stx_ [stx@libera/staff/stx] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 22:56 -!- zyxer [~anon11@h-155-4-133-114.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 22:57 -!- Stx_ [stx@libera/staff/stx] has joined #openbsd 23:01 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Quit: au revoir] 23:02 -!- Stx [stx@libera/staff/stx] has quit [Ping timeout: 622 seconds] 23:05 -!- monaco [~savage@kav.hax.al] has quit [Changing host] 23:05 -!- monaco [~savage@user/monaco] has joined #openbsd 23:07 -!- miojo [~miojo@191.18.133.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07 -!- miojo [~miojo@191.18.133.188] has joined #openbsd 23:09 -!- adip [~adip@c141-73.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:13 -!- mono_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 23:13 -!- zyxer [~anon11@h-155-4-133-114.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:17 -!- elastic_dog [~elastic_d@2a01:118f:620:5c00:ed7c:6283:1fd4:b8a4] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:22 -!- mono_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 -!- adip [~adip@c141-73.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 23:25 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 23:25 -!- elastic_dog [~elastic_d@2a01:118f:620:5c00:ed7c:6283:1fd4:b8a4] has joined #openbsd 23:25 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 23:25 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has quit [Quit: format_c] 23:26 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 23:26 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:27 -!- powderhorn [~powderhor@207-153-12-54.static.fttp.usinternet.com] has joined #openbsd 23:31 -!- Stx [stx@libera/staff/stx] has joined #openbsd 23:35 -!- adip [~adip@c141-73.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36 -!- Stx_ [stx@libera/staff/stx] has quit [Ping timeout: 630 seconds] 23:38 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 23:43 -!- adip [~adip@c141-73.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 23:44 -!- sunwind [~paradox@31.111.34.162] has joined #openbsd 23:48 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:53 -!- adip [~adip@c141-73.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Sep 15 00:00:12 2023