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02:21 < Windshield> HELO
02:21 < Windshield> firmware.openbsd.org is down
02:21 < Windshield> well
02:21 < Windshield> not fully functional
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03:53  * jfolker is now away - Reason : Nighty-night!
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07:33 < il> lmao
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10:27 < Bunny351> can someone tell me wether mandatory BTI/IBT has been enabled in -current?
10:28 < Bunny351> Some simple tests in a vmm-instance appear not to fail with SIGILL, as I would have expected.
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10:33 < xha> Bunny351: yes, it has been enabled i think
10:34 < xha> but you can create a PT_OPENBSD_NOBTCFI segment in a binary which will disable it
10:35 < Bunny351> I actually want it enabled, so I can test some changes to my compiler
10:35 < xha> do you have a supported cpu?
10:35 < Bunny351> amd64
10:35 < xha> intel or amd? which generation?
10:36 < Bunny351> but in a VM, perhaps this "feature" is not enforced in vmm?
10:36 < Bunny351> oh, wait... intel, I can infer this from dmesg, right?
10:37 < xha> you mean the generation?
10:37 < Bunny351> cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2294.66 MHz, 06-4e-03
10:37 < Bunny351> cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,
10:37 < xha> your cpu doesn't support IBT
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10:37 < xha> i think it is only supported from 11th gen onwards
10:37 < Bunny351> ok, I understand
10:38 < xha> idk if you can emulate it tho
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10:38 < Bunny351> that would be cool, but at least I see now why my tests fail :-)
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10:40 < xha> another option would probably be a cheap cloud vps
10:41 < Bunny351> ok
10:41 < Bunny351> thanks for your help!
10:41 < xha> Bunny351: np, cool that i could help :)
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12:33 < Ew0> Hi there, just did an install of 7.3 on my Thinkpad and the bootloader refuses to boot after I enter my password, roughly along the lines of 'sr0a: Can't read disklabel'. Anyone know how to fix this? Not sure if the disklabel got corrupted or it's just borked
12:33 < Ew0> Cheers
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13:17 < zelest> time for -Dsnap :D
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14:37 < yj2> I just installed 7.3 on another machine. "sysupgrade of the -current snapshot already contains a fix." Does this mean I can just run sysupgrade and not have to install bootblocks manually? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=169021508718971&w=2
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14:41 < lts> No, if you have 7.3 then you need to sysupgrade and then installboot
14:42 < lts> And if you have Ryzen or Threadripper, the new microcode does not even patch zenbleed yet
14:42 < yj2> It is a Ryzen machine yes
14:45 < lts> Scroll down this article to see the ETA when a microcode will be released for it https://www.tomshardware.com/news/zenbleed-bug-allows-data-theft-from-amds-zen-2-processors-patches-released
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14:47 < lts> "if you have 7.3 then you need to sysupgrade and then installboot" <-- typo, I meant you need to syspatch and then installboot
14:48 < lts> But that does nothing on Ryzen for now. Aren't computers great
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16:54 < myappie> so im proposing this new API system that's gonna revolutionize medical science
16:54 < myappie> and one of its requirements are OpenBSD
16:59 < avemestr> Perhaps take a page from Bjarne Stroustrup: https://developers.slashdot.org/story/23/08/26/029217/72-year-old-c-creator-bjarne-stroustrup-shares-life-advice
17:01 < thrig> c creator?!
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17:04 < avemestr> Heh, the slug-generator apparently doesn't like plusses.
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17:07 < myappie> The idea is to approach every hospital in the world and offer the next genereation of FHIR
17:08 < myappie> "The HL7® FHIR® (Fast Healthcare Interoperability Resources 1 ) standard defines how healthcare information can be exchanged between different computer systems regardless of how it is stored in those systems."
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17:14 < myappie> I've explained it here: https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/fa86c8c3b14b47daee85a89492206438
17:15 < myappie> This would force every hospital in the world to run OpenBSD.
17:15 < phy1729> Running on OpenBSD doesn't make it topical
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17:15 < myappie> And it assumes my AI project to convert Linux GPU drivers to OpenBSD succeeds.
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17:18 < Bradipo> I have to have an account to view your idea?
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17:23 < xse> sounds like a nightmare to implement 'in the world'
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17:25 < myappie> Bradipo: only https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/fa86c8c3b14b47daee85a89492206438 for now. https://www.pub.healthcare should be up in a few days though.
17:25 < xse> protecting personal data, complying with stuff like GDPR and so on
17:25 < myappie> xse: True that
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17:26 < myappie> But all data will be anonymized, and offered not just to me, but anyone with a reasonably decent medical research project.
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17:28 < myappie> i was banned from the blender discord for asking actually. i asked what's the most detailed 3d model of a human being ever made. then i asked if it was possible getting it detailed enough down to molecular levels.
17:28 < xse> yeah with medical records like even if you don't have a name i feel like it remains possible to link individuals easily hence those kind of laws would still apply
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17:29 < myappie> yep, but AI could easily help with this. (again once AI becomes available on OpenBSD assuming we manage to convert those GPU drivers)
17:31 < xse> heh, might be :p
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17:33 < zyxer> Why make OpenBSD a requirement?
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17:34 < zyxer> Yes it is the best OS imo, but, freedom.
17:35 < extrowerk> why NOT to make OBSD a requirement anywhere?
17:35 < myappie> zyxer: For protection. I'm aiming to make OpenBSD the default choice for AI regardless.
17:35 < myappie> The world needs to know OpenBSD exists.
17:35 < myappie> Here's the GPU plan: https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/b713085adddce7ed6c7485c1b0320d1d
17:35 < zyxer> Because you are asking for the world to change to you
17:35 < zyxer> No difference than what windows did, and linux are doing now
17:37 < zyxer> I agree ppl ned to at least hear of OpenBSD, but making ita requirement is what caues gaming to botleneck, NVidia has some patents, or tech that requires NVidia platform, to run
17:37 < zyxer> So instead game devs don't use the tech that needs to be written differently
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17:38 < zyxer> Show why OpenBSD is better instead of limiting tech or stuff specifically to OpenBSD is a better way to go about it imo
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17:39 < myappie> Yeah good point
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17:39 < zyxer> And 90% of ppl won't run a OS that can't be installed without 100% Graffical installer
17:39 < myappie> haha
17:39 < zyxer> I am very loud about my OpenBSD server
17:39 < zyxer> And that I use it
17:40 < zyxer> Gotten some people to try it
17:40 < zyxer> But yea, not easy. 
17:41 < myappie> did they have any past experience with unix?
17:41 < zyxer> Yes
17:41 < myappie> if they came straight from windows and xbox then
17:41 < myappie> ah ok, good
17:41 < zyxer> I once met a guy that had only heard of windows, MacOS, and OpenBSD
17:42 < myappie> lol
17:42 < zyxer> It was due to the security aspect of OpenBSD an it's superiority in that field
17:42 < myappie> what are the odds of that happening
17:42 < myappie> No way? Nice!
17:42 < zyxer> He worked in security as a "manual" labourer (guard) and his colleague that worked in tech security, same workplace, talked about openBSD
17:43 < zyxer> I can't remember if it was private or government
17:43 < zyxer> But that surprised me hard as well, what are the odds?
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17:45 < myappie> its so weird, like in music the people who don't deserve #1 gets the spot. in programming, the languages that don't deserve #1 gets the spot.
17:45 < myappie> but apart from being AI enabled (hopefully) we got other things going for us as well
17:45 < zyxer> Meh, I agree but it is temporary hype (ok except java android lmao)
17:46 < myappie> hehe
17:47 < zyxer> Like, now, rusthas it's areas of uses, but sometimes ppl rewrite a perfectly good piece of software with no issues in rust and claim they improved it. Now it takes up 20x the diskspace and launches 30x slower
17:47 < myappie> For instance all the world's AI is written in Python, when it could be far easier to read had it been written in Ruby (according to ChatGPT, there'd be 10% less code in the world if all the Python was converted to Ruby)
17:47 < zyxer> And rust is progressing so fast that only around 1 year old code is now outdated
17:47 < myappie> Cool
17:48 < myappie> I'm rooting for Rust :thumbsup:
17:48 < zyxer> Oh, ruby is that much better? Maybe I should look at it
17:48 < zyxer> Ruby or perl?
17:48 < myappie> but that is low-level ie. OS development, whereas Ruby is high-level ie. apps and such?
17:48 < zyxer> Yea different tools for different uses
17:48 < phy1729> zyxer: for context myappie has been saying they're going to do this stuff for months and hasn't shown any code yet
17:49 < zyxer> x)
17:49 < myappie> Yes, I think Ruby is mankind's greatest programming language so far. It's sorta exactly like Python, but simplified and modernized.
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17:49 < myappie> phy1729: I can show code
17:49 < eea> code of ported nvidia/cuda libs to openbsd?
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17:57 < myappie> eea: Getting there. So far my work has been on getting OpenAI's GPT-4 to play nice on local filesystems. And also https://github.com/andreibondarev/langchainrb, and writing scrapers that go around the web and collect necessary documentation.
17:57 < myappie> This is just a helper file: https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/c25f15bc8db26ce67054136454591d53
17:57 < myappie> But it's the one that's going to be responsible for auditing all of OpenBSD, create a professional audit report, and commit the changes with meaningful commit messages to Git.
17:59 < myappie> eea: I gotta get www.bsdports.org back online before I can focus fully on the GPU project.
18:00 < eea> interesting...
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18:31 < PyR3X> OpenBSD does not appear to recognize my laptop's two hard drives. During install I'm only presented with sd0 which is the install media. I don't see anything in dmesg -- but Free/NetBSD are able to detect them. Is there anything I can do?
18:32 < Lucas6023> share your dmesg, to begin with
18:33 < PyR3X> the Fixed HDD is Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB and the mSATA Device is Micron C400 RealSSD mSATA 32GB
18:33 < zyxer> That isn't dmesg
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18:34 < PyR3X> best way to get the dmesg off the machine?
18:34 < PyR3X> besides taking a picture?
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18:44 < quinq> PyR3X, netcat
18:44 < PyR3X> I have network connectivity in the install
18:44 < quinq> Perfect
18:44 < PyR3X> the install does not have nc
18:45 < quinq> Does it have ssh?
18:45 < PyR3X> no
18:45 < PyR3X> it has ftp
18:45 < quinq> Yep
18:45 < quinq> It'd be nice to have netcat at least
18:45 < PyR3X> I was looking at the ftp man page to see if there was a way upload the data somewhere
18:46 < PyR3X> I have netcat listening on my lan
18:46 < quinq> Na, the HTTP support of ftp is only GET, AFAIK
18:47 < vortexx> is there a way to get ftp to work with clbin?
18:48 < PyR3X> no curl
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18:50 < xse> an usb key sounds easier to deal with
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18:50 < vortexx> PyR3X: there's no sd* entries apart from sd0 in dmesg?
18:51 < vortexx> is this 7.3 or -current (aka 7.4-beta)
18:51 < vortexx> ?
18:51 < PyR3X> 7.3
18:51 < PyR3X> and that's correct
18:51 < vortexx> xse: yes that sounds the easiest right now
18:51 < PyR3X> BIOS recognizes both devices
18:52 < PyR3X> this is booting in UEFI though
18:52 < PyR3X> I wonder if I boot legacy if it matters
18:52 < vortexx> you can give it a go but it shouldn't
18:52 < vortexx> maybe try -current too?
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18:57 < zyxer> I know older motherboards can't boot from NVME without BIOS update. If the hardware is old then it would still be weird but plausible BIOS may have issues in one mode or the other, in some nische cases
18:58 < sibiria> PyR3X: tried disabling CSM?
18:58 < sibiria> just to get rid of all BIOS crud and let the machine be strictly UEFI
18:59 < sibiria> and set up the destination drive as GPT
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19:00 < zyxer> Maybe some secure boot feature. Disabling secure boot is worth a try if you haven't already.
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19:00 < PyR3X> I have secureboot disabled and UEFI boot
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19:01 < sibiria> disable CSM, too
19:01 < PyR3X> I'm not sure there is an option for that
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19:01 < PyR3X> and like I said NetBSD and FreeBSD pick them both up fine
19:01 < sibiria> sometimes called "BIOS legacy mode"
19:02 < sibiria> CSM is the BIOS emulation mode
19:02 < sibiria> backwards compat. mode for older and/or quirkier OSes
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19:41 < avemestr> PyR3X: Used /dev/MAKEDEV ?
19:41 < PyR3X> avemestr: yes
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19:55 < gry> installed php-pdo_sqlite, yet in "php -a" i get this var_dump(PDO::getAvailableDrivers()); as array(0){}
19:55 < gry> why...?
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20:06 < sibiria> gry: maybe you're running the wrong PHP version
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20:09 < gry> i fixed  needed an edit in php.ini thanks
20:09 < gry> to uncomment extension pdo sqlite
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