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05:49 < dennis> I'm running 7.3 today. If I want to run 7.4-beta, all I would have to do is to use `sysupgrade -s` to upgrade to the latest snapshot, right? And then, when 7.4 comes out, I could move "away" from snapshots and on to latest release (7.4) by just running `sysupgrade -r` - providing I don't upgrade to a snapshot that is newer than 7.4 before that?
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05:53 < dennis> I've read the faq and sysupgrade(8) :) Just want to make sure my understanding matches reality
05:54 < IcePic> the first part is correct
05:55 < IcePic> the second part is correct with a caveat on timing. There is little information on exactly when the 7.4-beta gets frozen in order to make the 7.4 sets, build ports on them and so on
05:56 < IcePic> this means that if you do this now, it might work out fine, and this 7.4-beta is still behind what will be 7.4-release, but as the days pass, the chances of snapshots moving past the freeze increases. At some point (before the release!) the snaps will be ahead, and the second statement you made will be wrong, because then moving from 7.3-something to snap and then to 7.4 will be large-step-forward 
05:56 < IcePic> followed by small-step-backwards
05:56 < IcePic> so it's that last part that may or may not become troublesome now around releases
05:58 < dennis> Ah, I see. I did not realize -current moved past the latest release before it was released. That complicates things.
05:58 < dennis> could move past*
05:59 < dennis> Even though I'm really antsy for 7.4, I don't think I'm antsy enough to risk getting stuck on snapshots.
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06:15 < dennis> IcePic: thanks :)
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06:16 < IcePic> there is a lot of testing being done before a release is considered finished, along with ports building as I mentioned. You need to test new installs as well as upgrades from previous supported versions for all/most platforms, hopefully on more hardware than just 100 instances of "the simple pretend-machine inside qemu" 
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06:24 < dennis> Definitely ^^
06:25 < zelest> Testing? Pft, it works for me(tm)!
06:26  * IcePic sticks zelest into a /var/empty chroot inside a qemu m88k obsd 2.8 machine
06:26 < dennis> zelest: "This WFM, and therefore it is the correct way!" Spoken like a true internetter
06:27 < zelest> :D
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06:56 < avemestr> The 6 month release span is a nice middle-ground between "rolling releases" and "you must love 4 year old packages". Stable, but never obsolete.
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09:30 < tetra_> when using ssh -6 -J foo bar , foo connects to bar using ipv4 not honoring the -6 option "Forces ssh to use IPv6 addresses only.". Am I missing something or this may be a bug?
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09:32 < betabug> have you tried -v or -vv to see what's going on?
09:32 < renaud> tetra_: but you connect to foo with ipv6?
09:32 < tetra_> thanks will do
09:33 < tetra_> I think so... running ssh -6 foo and then w shows me connected from ipv6
09:33 < tetra_> (same for bar)
09:33 < renaud> I am not sure the -6 forces anything after the first host
09:34 < tetra_> it seems it only forces ip6 to the first host
09:34 < Lucas6023> I think that -6 only forces the last hop
09:34 < tetra_> not a big problem, just curious
09:34 < renaud> what you can so is create an alias in DNS or hosts with only the ipv6 as the IP for that name
09:34 < tetra_> good idea, thanks
09:34 < Lucas6023> can be documented better
09:35 < Lucas6023> tetra_: try to report it. It's either a doc bug, or a program bug.
09:35 < tetra_> yeah I plan to set ipv6.example.com network with the ipv6 hosts, that would solve it
09:35 < tetra_> ok
09:36 < renaud> Lucas6023: I am not sure this is a bug. Because your ssh command effectively uses ipv6, the second jump has no flags, so uses default methods
09:36 < tetra_> yes, that's why I don't know if this can be considered a bug. Anyway, it would be interesting to specify it in the manpage
09:36 < tetra_> I can try to make a patch although english is not my native language
09:36 < renaud> but, maybe, this could indeed be added to the man page as an  indication
09:37 < renaud> like "valid only for first hop"
09:37 < tetra_> cool. thank you renaud 
09:39 < Lucas6023> renaud: but there is no way (other than using the config file) to pass options to the subsequent hops
09:40 < Lucas6023> putting it in another way, under your assumption, when running `ssh -A -J bastion final`, it wouldn't be a bug if the agent was only forwarded to bastion and not to final.
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09:40 < renaud> except this is an option in the agent
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09:41 < renaud> if you enable agent forwarding, by default, it will be passed to all further hosts.
09:42 < sibiria> avemestr: i like the 6 month schedule for getting system changes out, but i think they should go back to providing package updates for the previous release as well
09:42 < tetra_> I'm preparing a patch to send it to -tetch
09:42 < tetra_> tech
09:42 < renaud> but, as I said, it might be an idea to put in the man page that -6 or -4 is only valid for the first hop
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09:56 < tetra_> does this description sound right? When using ProxyJump, -6 option in ssh only applies to the first hop.
09:56 < tetra_> the patch includes just "Valid only for first hop"
09:56 < tetra_> I mean for the problem description in the body of the mail
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10:00 < tetra_> sent, I hope it's correct, this is the first patch I send :)
10:02 < renaud> that probably applies to -4 as well
10:02 < renaud> although, less visible, of course
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10:08 < tetra_> well seen. I can try that later, and if this patch gets accepted then do the experiment with -4 
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10:34 < IcePic> tetra_: when I do multihop -J, the v6 ones (at least if using ips and not dns names) need [] around. When you do "ssh -6 user@abcd::1" is it explicit that the address is a v6 one
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10:50 < tetra_> I've removed the envelope so the patch won't go into -tech. I think that I'm allowing only ipv4 to port 22 at host "bar" so that may be the cause
10:50 < tetra_> thanks IcePic will continue testing
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10:59 < tetra_> I'm using hostnames since it's easier and I want to have the VerifyHostKeyDNS option
10:59 < tetra_> this is the patch just in case some dev want to commit: https://pastebin.com/raw/kLy4viFY
10:59 < tetra_> I tried opening port 22 to ipv6 bastion host and it still connects from ipv4
10:59 < IcePic> make sure the resolver prefers to return v6 ip 
10:59 < tetra_> I'm a newbie and I prefer to not cause noise on the list for some stupid error
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11:00 < IcePic> there is a setting in /etc/resolv.conf to specify your preference
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11:00 < tetra_> thanks
11:01 < tetra_> I think you refer to "family inet6 inet4" or something like that
11:01 < IcePic> yes
11:01 < IcePic> it will default to v4 before v6 if you don't edit it
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11:02 < tetra_> it works \o/ thanks
11:02 < tetra_> now I understand. By default the bastion host resolved the target host as ipv4, so it connected to it that way
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11:10 < renaud> but that still means the -6 is not valid for all the hops by default
11:11 < renaud> for the second hop, it iwll use whatever comes first, so ipv4 by default
11:11 < renaud> it won't ask for both and choose v6
11:11 < IcePic> renaud: yes, if you are doing N+1 hops, then one flag can't really cover it all
11:12 < IcePic> just like "HostKeyTypes = ssh-rsa" or such options when you bounce over some old crap
11:12 < renaud> so, adding that -6 is only valid for first hop makes sense
11:12 < IcePic> I think so too
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11:12 < renaud> and that should also be added to -4 since that will be the same
11:13 < renaud> although less visible given that v4 is the default
11:15 < tetra_> should I resend it?
11:16 < renaud> if you resend it, please also put the comment on the -4
11:16 < tetra_> without testing? I'm not sure if that happens with -4
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11:16 < renaud> I don't see why it wouldn't happen with v4
11:17 < tetra_> ok will specify I've not tested it 
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11:20 < tetra_> it happens too with -4
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11:20 < tetra_> thanks for your help, I'm preparing the new patch to submit
11:20 < renaud> I told you, but that's good you tested it
11:20  * tetra_ nods
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11:20 < IcePic> "trust, but verify"
11:20 < tetra_> I trusted in your words but it doesn't feel OK to send untested stuff
11:21 < tetra_> exactly :)
11:21 < IcePic> tons of times, actual testing will show it is not as one imagined, so while writing an email, I have figured out lots of stuff, from "it was no error actually" to "oh, there are even more bugs"
11:22 < renaud> I stopped using ipv6 some years ago as I got too much hard to debug issues with it
11:23 < renaud> and I have yet to find something I need that wouldn't run in ipv4
11:23 < renaud> also, my ISP doesn't provide me with native ipv6
11:25 < tetra_> does this sound ok?: "The connection from foo to bar is IPv4 unless I give preference to IPv6 in /etc/resolv.conf"
11:28 < renaud> I think you should only put "valid only for first hop". Providing a way to circumvent it is outside the scope of the man page.
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11:28 < tetra_> yeah it was in the body of the mail
11:28 < tetra_> or just the patch and subject "ssh(1): -6 and -4 only apply to first hop" is enough?
11:28 < renaud> I think so
11:28 < tetra_> ok
11:28 < tetra_> sending...
11:29 < tetra_> sent. thank you!
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15:57 < aaronm04> I have a disk with an EFI partition, an OpenBSD area, and now an ext2 partition. Why can OpenBSD see the EFI partition but not the new ext2 partition?
15:58 < lts> What do you mean when you say OpenBSD cannot see the ext2 partition?
15:58 < aaronm04> It's not in the disklabel
16:04 < rjc> aaronm04: does fdisk see it?
16:04 < aaronm04> Yes
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16:07 < aaronm04> I could expand the OpenBSD area to cover that partition and then add it in disklabel, but I'm not sure that's the best solution...
16:10 < brynet> If you have a OpenBSD disklabel on the disk, and add a new MBR/GPT partition after, then you need to manually add the partition to the disklabel.
16:10 < aaronm04> so I should expand the OpenBSD area then?
16:11 < brynet> The only kernel only generates "pseudo" disklabels when there is no existing BSD disklabel on disk.
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16:11 < aaronm04> ah I see
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16:22 < xha> is there any option to dynamically link with libc without having ld.so call msyscall?
16:23 < xha> the reason i am asking this is because i am porting the hare stdlib to openbsd and it would be nice if we don't need to go through libc everytime we want to do a syscall
16:24 < xha> i think there was a discussion about this previously but i cannot find it
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16:42 < uwharrie> This? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=166203784715942&w=2
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16:44 < brynet> xha: no, and if you haven't seen the writing on walls, even indirect syscalls via syscall(3) may no longer be possible (see the recent perl syscall emulator).
16:44 < brynet> sooner or later
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17:49 < mp4> hi, i'm preparing a port and I need to copy whole directory (with all files and subdirs) to the destination, ${INSTALL_DATA} seems to be used for copying only one file, in freebsd they have ${COPYTREE_*} macors for this - how to do it properly in OpenBSD?
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17:50 < mp4> seem people use simple "@cp -r"
17:50 < kn> mp4: there's not variable/helper for it, just cp/tar/pax your way
17:50 < mp4> aha, thanks
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17:51 < kn> if that's in do-install, is there no way to make your port output files immediately into the right dir?
17:52 < Lucas6023> mp4 left
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17:58 < lts> user/mp3
17:58 < lts> sus
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20:44 < armin> your music taste is questionable.
20:45 < armin> *runsforcover*
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