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00:43 < nature> Ok now my website is behind relayd that takes care of the tls, my issue is that it seems that relayd constently needs the tls handshake to be made?
00:43 < nature> blazebone.com open the dev console, look at the network tab and see what happens when you refresh
00:44 < thrig> the what now in w3m?
00:44 < nature> haha
00:44 < nature> more like in those "modern" bloatware like chromium or firefox
00:46 < nature> It's strange because it seems that relays session timeout is 10 min...
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00:53 < xse> nature: it's not clear what your config is
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00:56 < nature> Here: https://0x0.st/HVYA.txt
00:56 < nature> That's my relayd.conf
00:57 < nature> I don't think I ever had this issue when I was running httpd by itself, but now that relayd is in front every page load is 500ms or more because of the tls handshake
00:59 < xse> eeh not sure what session tickets are i don't use that
00:59 < xse> what's the point of use for: match request header set "Connection" value "close" ?
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01:16 < xse> it's keep-alive by default, if you set it to close it'll close the connection, check out https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Connection
01:18 < xse> also unrelated but it doesn't seem useful to "check icmp" on localhost 
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01:42 < nature> Oh right, the session tickets I tried to see if it would help
01:42 < nature> Ohhh thanks for all those pointers xse +
01:42 < nature> !
01:43 < nature> This came from the /etc/examples/relayd.conf
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01:51 < nature> Perfect, this solves my issue but now only new sessions get logged by relayd, I'll have to figure out a way to aggregate logs
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01:52 < segfaultfizzbuzz> how do openbsd nerds compile and ship their project binaries, especially for servers?
01:53 < segfaultfizzbuzz> i don't mean for the openbsd operating system itself, i mean if someone uses openbsd as a host os for a server they are writing, how do they ship code?
01:54 < thrig> configuration management software has been around for a year or two
01:55 < nature> scp ?
01:57 < xse> rdist(1) says "can update programs that are executing"
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03:11 < markmcb> am i correct that the beta is a snapshot, i.e., if i'm on release there's no simple way to go 7.3 -> 7.4-beta -> 7.4?
03:13 < nature> You could get to current and when we reach 7.4 you simply stop sysupgrading to snapshots if I am not mistaken
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03:30 < segfaultfizzbuzz> nature: you just scp? do you build on your own dev machine or...?
03:30 < segfaultfizzbuzz> i have been looking at ci/cd stuff but it expands the surface area so much i get really nervous
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03:33 < nature> segfaultfizzbuzz: Usually yes, but I like to work with languages like lisp and forth, so "building" is a bit different for me I guess.
03:34 < segfaultfizzbuzz> i am just really skeptical of all of this modern bloat-dev ecosystem
03:34 < oldlaptop> markmcb: I believe it's nominally not supported to go from snapshots to a release; in practice I would be rather surprised if an upgrade from a snapshot after-7.3-and-before-7.4 *to* 7.4-release (once it exists) were to fail
03:35 < nature> Also, question regarding backups, dump(8) seems pretty cool, but I don't get the rmt(8) stuff, like what port do you need to open? or does a combination of dump(8) and scp/rsync sounds more reasonable?
03:35 < nature> segfaultfizzbuzz: as you should :)
03:36 < oldlaptop> (Do note that "before 7.4" would mean before 7.4 is tagged; generally a release is tagged some time before the official release day, meaning snapshots will have been post-7.4 for some time when 7.4 is formally released)
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03:37 < oldlaptop> nature: under normal circumstances rmt/rdump use ssh; see rcmdsh(3)
03:39 < nature> oooh, missed it thanks
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03:42 < oldlaptop> historically it'd have been the rightmost headstone: https://www.openbsd.org/images/poster2.jpg
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03:46 < nature> ooooh rsh
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04:07 < nature> so it seems dump(8) doesn't see the hosts like ssh does
04:08 < nature> Iam getting something like: "rcmd: aries: no address associated with name"
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04:59 < avemestr> segfaultfizzbuzz: Or just develop in Go. It normally produces a single binary that can be easily "deployed". No pip/npm/other dependency hell.
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05:12 < polyex> how do we inject a line of text into a file only if it isn't already in there?
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05:13 < IcePic> polyex: something along the lines of:  grep -q line file && echo "$line" >> file 
05:13 < IcePic> wait, not && but ||
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12:07 < il> IcePic, nice
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13:28 < quinq> Hola
13:29 < quinq> I'm looking for a Wi-Fi card to put into my OpenBSD/APU2
13:29 < quinq> Any recommendation for something that would work fine there as an AP?
13:30 < zelest> I got a athn on my apu2, but last time I checked (6.something) it worked very poorly.
13:31 < quinq> Somebody lend me an AR9280 there, it works nicely, but the signal is actually pretty low and in practice, I lose signal more than 3m away
13:31 < zelest> yeah, AR9280 is what I have
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13:31 < quinq> Thanks zelest 
13:32 < zelest> I might give it a spin again and see if it has gotten any better since I last tried. :)
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13:32 < zelest> (I'm at work now though)
13:34 < quinq> Well, at least I can tell you that's it's not great from here :)
13:35 < brynet> quinq: There really isn't any good choices right now. You're better off just buying a dedicated wireless AP.
13:35 < quinq> But maybe actually using that kind of setup as an AP is just not a good idea and I'd be better off using a vendor full AP
13:35 < quinq> haha yeah ok brynet :)
13:36 < quinq> Well, thank you both, I'll start looking at online opinions about what's a good choice for an AP nowadays
13:37 < brynet> You can usually disable services like DHCP on them and handle it on your existing router.
13:39 < zelest> And don't use an old Apple one from 2011.. pro-tip :P
13:39  * zelest really needs a new AP
13:39 < quinq> Yeah brynet I had and old tplink before, just doing the eth/wifi bridging and using the APU as proper router
13:40 < quinq> But it died so I thought this would be a good opportunity to install something nicely handled directly by OpenBSD
13:40  * zelest has his secure stuff on wired network.. and insecure stuff like mobile devices on wifi :)
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13:41 < brynet> Yeah, the best supported wireless drivers are Intel, but they don't have HostAP support.
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13:42 < quinq> Erf, *LynkSys (from… ~2008?)
13:42 < quinq> brynet, too bad
13:42 < brynet> bwfm(4) for Broadcom FullMAC devices technically supports HostAP (even potentially 802.11ac/ax), but are generally harder to buy.
13:42 < segfaultfizzbuzz> quinq: i was wondering the same thing, what is a good router these days? do you folks make your own?
13:43 < quinq> A good router is an OpenBSD ;)
13:43 < segfaultfizzbuzz> what hardware then? do you just put a wifi card in an openbsd box?
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13:43 < quinq> Ah, well, if you follow the conversation the conclusion seems to be no.
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13:43 < brynet> That's what we're talking about above.
13:44 < zelest> the APU ones are sadly obsoleted, but I do enjoy my APU2 with latest OpenBSD.
13:44 < zelest> As for AP, no clue.
13:44 < brynet> yeah, pcengines is done making those machines.
13:44 < zelest> Sadly :(
13:45 < brynet> gone the way of the soekris
13:46 < zelest> But now we have RPi5! (jk)
13:46 < segfaultfizzbuzz> raspberry pi lol
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13:48 < brynet> So new it's already old again, it lacks recent mitigations like BTI and PAC.
13:48 < zelest> What's that?
13:49 < brynet> rpi continues to be uninteresting
13:49  * zelest nods
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13:58 < tommyrot> does it have ABC and XYZ though? because that's the real interesting stuff
14:00 < sibiria> ral(4) continues to be the best choice for HostAP on openbsd
14:00 < sibiria> unfortunately it's still stuck with 802.11g
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14:10 < Bradipo> Does ping(8) have a "quiet" mode where it just reports success or fail after 1 ping?
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14:11 < Bradipo> I guess there is -q, not quite the same as Solaris' option.
14:14 < renaud> Bradipo: ping -c1 -q 
14:15 < lts> If you're running exim, today is a bad day for it https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/advisories/ZDI-23-1469/
14:15 < renaud> and a bad day for the maintainer :)
14:16 < renaud> if I remember well, on one kind of auth is vulnerable
14:16 < renaud> only one
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14:17 < renaud> the problem is mainly that they haven't released a public fix yet
14:18 < renaud> although a private fix exists
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14:18 < renaud> we need to wait until 4.97 is released
14:19 < renaud> hoping this will be before freeze day
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14:25 < Bradipo> renaud: That's not exactly what old Unix ping does.  It just a success/fail output.
14:25 < Bradipo> I just wrote a script.
14:25 < Bradipo> ping c1 -q host >/dev/null && echo SUCCESS || echo FAIL
14:25 < Bradipo> A bit more elaborate than that because I wanted also the hostname output.
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14:34 < IcePic> Not sure if stacking a && b || c means that c runs if b fails, or if a failed
14:35 < Bradipo> Yeah, maybe I need {}
14:35 < Bradipo> But the results seem to suggest it's working correctly.
14:35 < IcePic> scripts I've made had two ping lines, one with the && stuff, and the second with the || 
14:35 < Bradipo> I get SUCCESS on those that are up and FAIL on those that are down.
14:35 < IcePic> worst case, you send two pings
14:35 < Bradipo> As long as PING exits correctly.
14:36 < phy1729> &&|| is nearly always wrong; just use if
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14:36 < Bradipo> I am not getting both b and c if that's what youre suggesting.
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14:37 < IcePic> Bradipo: no, I suggest that c might be looking at b return code
14:37 < Bradipo> From the man page for ksh(8):  `&&' and `||' are used to specify conditional execution;
14:37 < phy1729> || is looking at $? which is set by b if that's run
14:37 < Bradipo> If this were true, then I would never get any FAIL output.
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14:37 < phy1729> Just use an if statement
14:37 < Bradipo> Because echo would always be true.
14:38 < phy1729> true && false || echo here   will echo    if true; then false; else echo here; fi   will not
14:39 < Bradipo> Man ksh gives the following examples:
14:39 < Bradipo>            $ false && echo foo || echo bar
14:39 < Bradipo>            $ true || echo foo && echo bar
14:39 < Bradipo> It clearly discusses that && and || have equal precedence and that they are "left-associative".
14:40 < phy1729> Should add a   false || echo foo && echo bar echos both
14:41 < IcePic> true && false || echo false
14:41 < IcePic> false
14:43 < IcePic> so while "echo" may never fail, a "ping-test && send-ack.sh || send-alarm.sh" could have send-ack.sh fail for some reason 
14:44 < thrig> what happens when there's too many proces for fork to happen
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14:45 < phy1729> echo can fail if stdout is closed though that's an odd edge case
14:45 < IcePic> phy1729: perhaps if it is enclosed in (   ... ) > /dev/full situation
14:45 < babouille> it returns -EAGAIN
14:46 < phy1729> or just >&-
14:48 < IcePic> phy1729: yes, that was a good test. ( true && echo BLAHA || touch /tmp/fail ) >&-
14:48 < IcePic> is makes a file in /tmp (if there is space there)
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14:56 < jrmu> I sent my bug report re the keyboard to bugs@openbsd.org, I wonder if it should have gone to misc@ instead
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16:23 < pardis> alternative implementation: set -A status SUCCESS FAIL; ping -c1 -q host >/dev/null; echo ${status[$?]}
16:23 < pardis> determining why this is arguably worse is left as an exercise for the reader
16:24 < vortexx> I was recabling in my flat and when I turned on my APU2B the LR44 battery blew... Not sure if the mobo is still working or not, not getting anything through the serial port. Luckily I'd ordered an APU6D to upgrade to but getting that going (I'm trying FreeBSD) has been hard learning. So many things to reimplement and it's not proving much faster than OpenBSD on network transfers all of a sudden
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16:28 < Bradipo> pardis: Interesting approach indeed.
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16:31 < phy1729> That's easy just set -A status SUCCESS FAIL{,,,}{,,,}{,,,}{,,,}
16:32 < byteskeptical> lol
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16:39 < Bradipo> Wouldn't that be better as: set -A status SUCCESS FAIL; ping -c1 -q host >/dev/null; test $? -eq 0; echo ${status[$?]}
16:40 < Bradipo> Again, that ignores just *why* ping might fail (e.g. resource exhaustion, or some other non-network related failure).
16:41 < Bradipo> Though, arguably, the -q isn't even necessary since we're redirecting stdout to /dev/null.
16:43 < Bradipo> When I first looked, I had hoped that -q would do what Solaris' (or is it AIX, HPUX or some other *nix) that would just report success or fail.
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16:58 < nature> sysupgrade seems to fail when verifying the sets: https://0x0.st/HVl0.txt
16:59 < Lucas6023> try again. Maybe you were unlucky enoguh to grab things mid-update.
16:59 < Lucas6023> mid-sync
17:00 < uwharrie> also try with a non-CDN mirror if you're currently using one
17:00 < Lucas6023> in particular, because your old base74.tgz does verify
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18:18 < Bradipo> When using ssh -A, does the config on the remote server influence what HostKeyAlgorithms are negotiated, or the local SSH config?
18:19 < Bradipo> It seems that it would make sense that the remote system's would be the correct one, but I just wondered...
18:19 < Bradipo> I suppose I can experiment.
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18:37 < phy1729> Is there a reason you're using -A and not ProxyJump / -J
18:38 < Bradipo> Because I ignored the warning in the man page and this is mostly a single-user host.
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18:38 < dayid> Both the client and server will impact what algorithm is finally negotiated.
18:39 < Bradipo> Yes, I realize that.  But I was wondering if there was some magic that -A did.
18:39 < Bradipo> I ask because 2 days ago, I SSH'd to a host, accepted the ECDSA host key.
18:40 < Bradipo> Today when I SSH, I'm getting a MITM warning that the host key has changed and that the remote host is using ED25519 and that my ECDSA host key is offensive.
18:40 < Bradipo> So I wonder why today ED25519 is being negotiated when 2 days ago it was ECDSA.
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18:41 < Bradipo> Reason tells me that the remote host must have decided to change it's default host key algorithm.  But then I wondered if perhaps my client decided to change algorithms for some reason.
18:42 < Bradipo> The only change I have made on my local ssh_config is "EnableEscapeCommandline yes"
18:43 < dayid> I would not expect so. In that situation I'd expect a software/config change or even a server change (as I am far too used to having to SSH towards loadbalancer endpoints and getting different backends)
18:43 < Bradipo> Right, I suspect the remote host has changed something, but I cannot prove it because I don't manage it.
18:43 < dayid> If you do ssh-keyscan against it, what does it present?
18:43 < Bradipo> But before I go accusing anyone of anything, I wanted to make sure that -A didn't do funny things. :-)
18:44 < Bradipo> It presents 3 host keys, one is the one that I accepted 2 days ago (ECDSA), the other 2 are RSA and ED25519 (the one being presented today).
18:44 < dayid> if you "hop" w/o -A, does it revert back to the other algorithM?
18:44 < dayid> That seems like it would rapidly exclude the -A theory
18:44 < Bradipo> Right, that was my point about "experimenting".
18:44 < dayid> ah
18:49 < Bradipo> phy1729: Also, I primarily do use ProxyJump, but I saw -A and wanted to evaluate the difference.
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18:50 < phy1729> ProxyJump in .ssh/config is nice since it just works with ssh, scp, sftp, rsync, ansible, basically anything that uses ssh under the hood
18:51 < Bradipo> Yes, I do have ProxyJump in ~/.ssh/config for those hosts that use it.
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18:51 < Bradipo> However, sometimes I may actually want to use the remote socket.
18:52 < Bradipo> This leaves the key material on my "local" system, but allows me to login and use the socket when I'm at the console of the system.
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19:02 < nature> Any recommended way to monitor storage drive health?
19:04 < uwharrie> https://openports.pl/path/sysutils/smartmontools
19:06 < xse> atactl in base, smartmontools yeah, iirc there's no way to monitor nvme - might have changed at some point
19:06 < thrig> nagios or etc for higher level checks
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19:58 < markmcb> the surprising killer feature for me on openbsd is reliable hibernation. it works really well. on the same laptop that dual boots to archlinux, linux will panic like 5-10% of the time when hibernating. i've yet to have a problem on 7.3 (first gen framework laptop)
19:59 < thrig> I set machdep.lidaction=0 and forget about it
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20:07 < armin> i love that my x230 reliably suspends and wakes up when i close/open the lid.
20:07 < avemestr> Same for X395. Never a problem.
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20:08 < armin> on linux with systemd i had major problems, though.
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20:08 < byteskeptical> armin: wait until you get a new processor with fancy C states
20:09 < armin> linux with runit was fine, freebsd had some minor issues, linux with openrc was just fine without any issue.
20:09 < uwharrie> Guess I should give it another shot. Have stuck with the habit of shutting down and booting with my X1
20:09 < il> avemestr, i'm thinking of getting that laptop
20:09 < il> armin, void uses runit, right?
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20:10 < armin> byteskeptical: i don't have many options i could upgrade to when it comes to that type of laptop. maybe some nice used t460s would do the job to replace my x230, but that becomes really difficult to begin with, that thing does the job, yes.
20:10 < armin> il: that's correct. 
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20:12 < armin> il: and artix, too, if you choose the runit version.
20:15 < armin> anyhoooooo, i just tried installing openbsd on a very small thinclient, but the built-in ssd drive is simply way too small (2gb) to install all the sets (i get "Cannot determine prefetch area"). is there something i could de-select but still end up with a functioning X system?
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20:16 < armin> i should probably just open the damn thing and see what type of ssd that is and order some cheapo 256gb thing on amazon...
20:16 < avemestr> il: A bunch of OpenBSD devs discussed the Thinkpad **95-series when they showed up. Support has been very good on the different models: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=155905832502853&w=2
20:17 < armin> avemestr: that post is literally 4 years old.
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20:18 < avemestr> il: The X395 is somewhat old, though, and probably hard to come by as new nowadays. I believe the T14s G2 might be the closest - or the "Thinkpad 13". But I'm not certain the wifi chip in those are OpenBSD-friendly.
20:18 < avemestr> armin: Yeah, and? Doesn't change the fact that those laptops are excellently supported by OpenBSD?
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20:18 < armin> avemestr: i never questioned that. :)
20:19 < armin> avemestr: just pointing that out, i mean, if the post is 4 years old, it's more or less safe to assume buying one of these won't cause major issues.
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20:20 < armin> still i would love to hear that from someone who actually uses that thing on a daily basis.
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20:21 < avemestr> I use my X395 on a daily basis.
20:21 < armin> avemestr: satisfied? everything ok?
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20:22 < il> avemestr, i can get one for 300 eur here in belgrade
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20:23 < il> avemestr, I don't need a new device yet, but I like having my sights on the next device just in case. Ideally I'd want something passivelly cooled, 12 or 13"... But it doesn't really exist, so it's going to be thinkpads until then.
20:23 < avemestr> Yep. Only thing is battery management probably could be better. But everything I expect to work just works (function keys, lid-action, etc). I use the clit for mouse movement - not a fan of trackpads.
20:23 < armin> that thing does look decent indeed.
20:24 < armin> avemestr: 100% clit here, too. thank you.
20:24 < il> A bit of a tangent: Has anyone used QMK or ZMK on openbsd?
20:24 < il> anyone here* of course...
20:26 < armin> il: uhm, that's some keyboard firmware, you should have no issues with QMK keyboards, i use them all the time.
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20:27 < armin> il: ZMK no clue, never used that.
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20:30 < il> armin, yes, but I mean compiling/flashing qmk firmware on keyboards
20:30 < il> worst case, I could do it on a linux system, true
20:31 < armin> il: ah now i get what you mean.
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20:33 < armin> il: good question though
20:38 < armin> il: ok so there is a package in pip3 called qmk, let's see what that does
20:38 < il> armin, it has quite a few dependencies. https://github.com/samhocevar-forks/qmk-firmware/blob/master/docs/getting_started_build_tools.md
20:39 < armin> il: that's manageable i guess?
20:40 < armin> i mean i don't know, i might be biased.
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20:41 < il> armin, well, next step would be researching these packages (binutils-avr, avr-libc, dfu-programmer, dfu-util, gcc-arm-none-eabi, binutils-arm-none-eabi, libnewlib-arm-none-eabi) and seeing if they're present in openbsd ports etc.
20:41 < il> But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
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20:42 < il> Too much work to do without having to do it :)
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20:43 < armin> avr-binutils exists, avr-libs exists, dfu-programmer exists, dfu-util exists, then for "eabi" there are 4 packages, not sure if they bring everything in the 3 packages you mention.
20:44 < armin> just did a quick check.
20:44 < il> Those packages are apparently something needed for cross-compilation
20:45 < armin> arm-none-eabi-binutils-2.31.1 arm-none-eabi-gcc-linaro-7.4.2019.02p1 arm-none-eabi-gdb-7.12.1p0 arm-none-eabi-newlib-2.2.0.1p1 that's the 4 i find using *eabi*
20:45 < il> armin, but yeah, that's a good place to start
20:45 < il> thanks for the effort
20:45 < armin> much welcome welcome
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20:53 < armin> il: anyhow yes i end up with some ~/.local/bin/qmk command when i do that.
20:53 < armin> il: i'll try to get qmk to run, will report in this channel here when i did.
20:54 < il> armin, do you have a qmk keyboard, though? heh
20:54 < armin> il: i have 23 mechanical keyboards, so yes. :)
20:54 < il> I guess you could do it with only a microcontroller that's supported by qmk, you don't need a full keyboard
20:54 < il> oh, perfect
20:54 < armin> i have some microcontrollers SOMEWHERE, i fail to find them, there should be at least 3 in this room!
20:55 < armin> but those 23 keyboards i do find, yes.
20:55 < il> all 23 keyboards in one room?
20:56 < il> I'm waiting for a 7u stabilizer, that's the only thing I'm missing in order to build a hhkb-layout keyboard I have the kit for. Unix60
20:57 < il> After that, I'm fairly sure I'll build a corne-style split keyboard. I know it'll be a struggle, but I'm curious and willing to suffer through learning a new layout/typing style, especially considering the compactness and the ergonomics achieved by the 40% split keyboards...
20:57 < armin> il: i had to put some in the sleeping room, under the bed and into the wardrobe. girlfriend does not like that.
20:58 < il> lol
20:58 < armin> corne is comfy tier, but yes hard to build. :)
20:58 < il> wanna sell some keyboards?
20:58 < armin> NO!
20:58 < armin> :)
20:58 < il> Do you swap them out on a daily basis or what do you do with them
20:59 < armin> yes, and clean them, replace parts, move them around, modify them, you know, it's like a fidget toy.
20:59 < il> how many hours per day
20:59 < il> full time job lol
20:59 < armin> i work 100% from home. :)
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21:00 < armin> it's like music collecting or rendering fractals, i just can't stop.
21:00 < Bradipo> armin: Have any Duckys?
21:00 < armin> Bradipo: 1
21:00 < il> I have one crappy mechanical keyboard, it barely qualifies. The unix60 I'm gonna build (as soon as the 7u stabilizer arrives) will be my first 'proper' mechanical keyboards. I'm really looking forward to real NKRO as well as QMK.
21:01 < armin> well QMK is like the life-changer, if you have a fundamental understanding of C and of why the memory of the controller might not be enough, you can go CRAZY in QMK.
21:01 < Bradipo> I'm not sure why.  What exactly would QMK do for me?
21:01 < armin> honestly, you can up with MAD layerings.
21:01 < armin> layers.
21:01 < armin> just layers.
21:02 < armin> the things that ctrl, alt, shift, alt-gr or whatever other modifier will do.
21:02 < Bradipo> Right.
21:02 < armin> think: now you're able to come up with customalt1, customalt2, customalt3, ...
21:02 < armin> of course other weird things, too, you could input your password with ctrl-alt-p if you want (don't do that!).
21:02 < Bradipo> If you dare to store your password in the keyboard.
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21:04 < armin> Bradipo: if it's a customer laptop that randomly locks you out when you try to access it from rdp, from localhost, via an ssh tunnel, well yes, in such case it might make sense.
21:04 < armin> Bradipo: just saying. ;-)
21:05 < armin> (yes, norton endpoint security does precisely that.)
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21:09 < Bradipo> armin: So you ship them a keyboard with an embedded password and tell them to press ctrl-alt-p?
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21:20 < vortexx> anyone else have a APU board blow it's battery ?
21:20 < vortexx> s/a APU/an APU
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21:22 < vortexx> (I moved the m-sata drive to the APU6, FreeBSD's performance was pretty poor with pf (400Mbits less performance when it's running on a really simple ruleset doing just NAT)
21:22 < armin> Bradipo: of course not, no, i'm an it consultant so sometimes i get laptops from customers. they're often just so "secure" that they will randomly log you off when norton-something detects that you access the host via rdp, no matter if from localhost (via an ssh tunnel) or not.
21:22 < armin> Bradipo: so you're actively typing in a terminal and it will lock your screen.
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21:52 < Bradipo> APC PDUs, specifically "NetShelter Rack PDU" are broken.
21:52 < Bradipo> When you upgrade the firmware on the device it completely replaces the SSH host key.
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