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03:47 < jrmu> is ipsec / openiked still worth learning?
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03:52 < sylv1a> Probably depends on your use case jrmu
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03:54 < jrmu> someone pointed out that wireguard works at the transport layer level rather than IP level
03:54 < jrmu> that would mean IPSec is still useful for different cases
04:01 < sylv1a> What cases were you thinking of?
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04:04 < jrmu> packaging alternative transport protocols like IL protocol
04:04 < jrmu> instead of UDP/TCP
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04:10 < sylv1a> jrmu: Oh, interesting. Looks like IL protocol was deprecated as of plan 9's fourth release, though. What did you want to do with it, just experiment or?
04:10 < jrmu> sylv1a: 9front brought it back, so it's getting a resurgence ;)
04:10 < jrmu> in any case I think it's better that ipsec doesn't get involved in the transport layer
04:10 < jrmu> it gives me more flexible options later
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04:11 < sylv1a> Ah. xD Yeah, I don't know much about plan9. Fascinated by it, but so far it had seemed more like a research OS than something I could practically use (but I suppose people say the same about OpenBSD).
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10:49 < Filystyn> do I remember correctly if you run testing you can't revert to stable ?
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11:01 < avemestr> Filystyn: Stop doing sysupgrades. When the next release hits, you can do "sysupgrade -r".
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11:07 < pardis> you can go back to stable, it just requires reinstalling
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12:42 < Filystyn> ooookie
12:43 < Filystyn> i had in mind there was once some "problem"
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13:08 < avemestr> Filystyn: If you upgrade to a snapshot the last couple of weeks before a new release you cawnnot switch back to releases, because your snapshot will be ahead of the release you want to upgrade to.
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14:00 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169580098531027&w=2 <-- ssperling is going to be working on ath11k drivers next, that's what I've had in my laptop for 3 years. It'd be nice if he can get it working by 7.5 or 7.6... 
14:00 < ox1eef_> IIRC Theo has described OpenBSD as a research OS. Even so it is my desktop OS of choice. Definitely usable, with a few sacrifices that don't matter to me.  
14:01 < sibiria> i'd love if he got going on ral(4)
14:01 < sibiria> stable 11n for hostap-capable driver would be sweet
14:02 < sibiria> athn(4) does hostap for some chipsets, too, so maybe that'll "get there" before ral(4)
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15:03 < xse> i've tried the pau09 n600 usb dongle thing which works fine via run(4) but no host ap, onboard Qualcomm QCNFA765 "being worked on" https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169056873816580
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15:05 < xse> home connection is so slow i would not benefit from any of the n/ac stuff whatsoever
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15:26 < vortexx> when I bought this Dell XPS 9310 even on linux the ath11k chipset wasn't supported. It took 3 months for it to land and the first month you couldn't suspend with it.
15:26 < vortexx> looks like I'll try and run -current for a bit when the driver lands in OpenBSD
15:27 < avemestr> Is the wifi card soldered?
15:31 < avemestr> On the older Dell XPS 13 9350 I was able to switch the wifi card from some "Killer" to an Intel one.
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15:38 < markmcb> what's the best way to map keys system-wide, i.e., works in console and x11/gnome? wscons?
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16:19 < vortexx> hw.sensors.softraid0.drive0=degraded (sd3), WARNING <-- this looks ominous
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16:19 < vortexx> hopefully the box won't reboot till my next visit (it's on another continent :P)
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16:24 < Filystyn> Im just thinking about it because there was apparently fix to gpu card i use
16:25 < Filystyn> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=169601087426228&w=2  feels so good stuff you use gets attention
16:26 < avemestr> Filystyn: I think you might be in luck. That'll probably be available in 7.4, which I expect to drop this month.
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16:26 < Filystyn> oh okie
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16:26 < Filystyn> thx for info!
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17:19 < hussein1> i would like to use DNS names in my gateway's pf.conf, but after a "cold start" of the network, I found that the DNS server (on another machine) couldn't resolve queries because the gateway wasn't up, and the gateway wasn't coming up because pf.conf was resolving DNS (I think - I removed DNS names and the issue went away)
17:20 < hussein1> i guess the answer is to not use DNS in pf.conf
17:20 < phy1729> hostnames in pf.conf are resolved on load, so if your DNS server isn't up yet, you're gonna have a bad time.
17:20 < quinq> Yeah, I wouldn't rely on dns in my firewall, that's very prone to issue
17:20 < quinq> At best, only rely on hosts that you can resolve on localhost
17:21 < D0peX> oi. in relayd.conf - can't i use a table for matching on request 'from'  ?
17:21 < quinq> But even then, that means your routing relies on having your DNS server up
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17:21 < thrig> maybe if you have an authoritative dns server on loopback
17:21 < quinq> thrig, so slow
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17:38 < vortexx> hussein1: or you could add all the necessary hosts to /etc/hosts? not very flexible but would work
17:38 < phy1729> and extra fun to debug when DNS changes but /etc/hosts doesn't
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17:45 < vortexx> phy1729: that of course. It's why DNS was invented in the first place
17:46 < vortexx> but if it's just a home lan with a few machines..
17:49 < CosmicDJ> vortexx: just create a home.arpa dns zone for your home lab, easy with unbound/nsd
17:49 < sylv1a> ^ yes, this if it fits your use case.
17:49 < vortexx> CosmicDJ: I already have dns set up on my home lan, I was saying for hussein1 
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17:50 < CosmicDJ> vortexx: sorry, just jumped in
17:50 < vortexx> nw
17:53 < sylv1a> On this subject, is there any particular advantage to handling authoritative DNS for a LAN with NSD rather than just relying on Unbound's home.arpa support?
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17:59 < vortexx> sylv1a: if you need to do stuff like boot on lan I imagine unbound isn't enough as you need reverse dns (I haven't tried unbound for this, I've been using various instances of BIND for 24 years)
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18:01 < vortexx> (one of these days I will try migrating to unbound+nsd but I have enough on my hands now to not be able to)
18:01 < sylv1a> vortexx: as in PTR? Unbound handles this.
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18:02 < sylv1a> Never tried boot on lan, sounds interesting though. And I understand that feeling, sometimes it's more important to get the job done than learn the newer thing.
18:05 < vortexx> yes PTR
18:07 < vortexx> I'm used to having to rewrite a config or learn a new thing every few releases with OpenBSD as things get replaced (apache 1.3 > nginx > httpd for ex) but sometimes it's just easier to keep going with the same thing if it's still a package
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18:11 < vortexx> the last major items I've migrated because it made more sense or I really had to was going from openvpn to wireguard and rewriting the OpenBGPD configs. That wasn't fun at all to do. Wireguard took some tweaking to get right but works faster so all good there.
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18:19 < sylv1a> vortexx: Yeah, WireGuard is cool. Just recently wrote a script to take a WireGuard configuration file and translate it to hostname.if(5) format. Not a crypto expert so I can't comment on their design decisions, but based on everything I know, it seems nice.
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18:21 < vortexx> nice
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18:26 < vortexx> and yes wireguard seems to fit into OpenBSD very well. It's a bit difficult to debug if your hostname.if is setup wrong but once it works it just keeps working
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19:04 < hussein1> does pf or relayd or any of the default BSD daemons support socks5 proxying of traffic?
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19:08 < vortexx> hussein1: there's the dante package for that
19:09 < vortexx> socks5 seems to be a dying protocol
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19:19 < sylv1a> vortexx: what makes you say socks5 is a dying protocol?
19:19 < zyxer> wat
19:20 < vortexx> sylv1a: it seems to be getting deprecated on various platforms
19:21 < vortexx> can't remember where I saw this though
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20:35 < tercaL> I set a full disk encryption on a remote dedi server of mine, however I barely get KVM access to the box; therefore, in order, it's not really possible for me to type the passphrase on each boot, is there any way to embed the passphrase somehow, so that the OS would read it during the boot and not request a manual typing?
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20:36 < zyxer> What would be the point of having it encrypted then?
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20:36 < zyxer> Oh nevermind sorry I missunderstood
20:36 < zyxer> Your dedicated aerver in remote place
20:37 < sibiria> not sure how that setup would work. serial interface listening for specific output in order to trigger passphrase? it's technically doable, but...
20:37 < sibiria> a keydisk is the legitimate alternative
20:37 < sibiria> though i don't know if you can convert an FDE setup built on passphrase to keydisk post install
20:38 < zyxer> Workaround would be to connect a RPi and program it to simulate Keyboard on GPIO pins, and then you cut a USB wire and connect properly
20:38 < tercaL> Yes, no physical access at all, and looking for a way to automate the passphrase thing.. A keydisk/usbdisk, a RPi connected, anything external, not accepted by the server provider.
20:38 < sibiria> reading from stdin is an option. maybe that's possible
20:38 < Lucas6023> doesn't that defeat the purpouse of FDE?
20:38 < zyxer> Wait, is it your dedicated server or are you hiring a VPS?
20:38 < rak> It kind of seems to defeat the purpose of full disk encryption if you keep the key with the disk...
20:39 < zyxer> The host could just take all your data that way
20:40 < Lucas6023> tercaL: given the situation, it might make sense not to have FDE if it isn't an external requirement
20:40 < rak> ~10 years ago, I used to have an unencrypted root partition with everything sensitive on an encrypted partition, and then I had a script on my laptop that would SSH in, manually mount the relevant partitions, and start the remaining services that needed those encrypted partitions
20:41 < Lucas6023> or do as rak says, and encrypt only a part of the system
20:41 < tercaL> A rented dedicated server/VPS that is.
20:41 < sibiria> ^ i do this for my mail server
20:41 < sibiria> i ssh in and unlock sensitive stuff after boot
20:41 < tercaL> "encrypt only a part of the system" sounds much better idea. Any way to do this ONLY to a defined partition, like "/virtualmails" ?
20:41 < Lucas6023> yes
20:41 < sibiria> yes. you just create a new disklabel as RAID and then do FDE on it
20:42 < Lucas6023> if you follow the instructions in the disk setup FAQ, you might realize that the only required thing for a encrypted partition is a partition created as RAID
20:43 < Lucas6023> so, say, you can go back to the install as normal, then on disk format step, reject FDE, edit the automatic layout, use R to resize it to make some space for the extra partition, create the new partition with type RAID
20:44 < Lucas6023> finish the installation as normal
20:50 < tercaL> Lucas6023: Trying it right now. When I created new partition with type RAID, disklabel doesn't ask the mountpoint at all. How to set it as "/vmails", for instance? 
20:50 < Lucas6023> you won't do at that point
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20:50 < Lucas6023> you still need to create the softraid over it
20:50 < tercaL> I got partition a: / (root), and partition "b" as swap, and partition "d" as RAID but no mountpoint now.
20:50 < Lucas6023> and then you'll partition the softraid
20:51 < tercaL> Oh, so the command would be, in my case, bioctl -c 1 -l sd0d ?
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20:52 < tercaL> Quited the disklabel, now I'm at "install the sets" step. Should I complete the setup and then not reboot, to run bioctl on that partition?
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20:53 < Lucas6023> yes
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21:01 < tercaL> Lucas6023: "bioctl -c 1 -l wd0d softraid0" says; bioctl: not enough disks, I tried sh MAKEDEV wd0 wd1 but that was unhelpful..
21:01 < sibiria> -c C (crypto)
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21:03 < tercaL> sibiria: "bioctl -c C -l wd0d softraid0" reported: softraid0: CRYPTO volume attached as sd0.
21:04 < tercaL> So it's done I think..
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23:00 < errantcain> hello, how is it going? 
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