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01:31 < aje> moo
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02:02 < welcome> how do I get firefox to work with the new unveil stuff- what do I need to edit in /etc/firefox ? I got as far as reading /etc/ffirfox/unveil.main
02:03 < welcome> which says # $XDG_CACHE_HOME, $XDG_CONFIG_HOME, and $XDG_DATA_HOME will expand to the
02:03 < welcome> # given variable if it exists in the environment, otherwise defaulting to
02:03 < welcome> # ~/.cache, ~/.config, and ~/.local/share
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02:11 < oldlaptop> You shouldn't have to edit anything in /etc/firefox to just use firefox.
02:11 < fro> yeah it's also not new
02:13 < fro> what is not working specifically?
02:13 < welcome> ok, I thought that as ell. Maybe i have been compromised, but when I installed firefox on a newly built system (7.3/amd64)I got the same effect- it won't briwse, tabs crash
02:13 < welcome> *browse
02:14 < fro> i wouldn't go from 0-compromised
02:14 < welcome> agreed
02:14 < fro> what errors is it giving you?
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02:15 < oldlaptop> (you may want to look in dmesg also)
02:15 < fro> check dmesg and/or /var/log/messages
02:15 < fro> yeah
02:15 < fro> launch from terminal maybe too and see what that looks like
02:15 < welcome> [Parent 96864, IPC I/O Parent] WARNING: process 74038 exited on signal 6: file /build/tmp/pobj/firefox-118.0.1/firefox-118.0.1/ipc/chromium/src/base/process_util_posix.cc:315 
02:15 < welcome> AND
02:16 < welcome> (the above many times)
02:16 < welcome> ** (firefox-default:96864): WARNING **: 12:45:17.096: Cannot set application as default for URI scheme (http): Can?t create user MIME configuration folder /home/welcome/.config: No such file or directory
02:16 < welcome> [Parent 96864, Main Thread] WARNING: Cannot set application as default for URI scheme (https): Can’t create user MIME configuration folder /home/welcome/.config: No such file or directory: 'glib warning', file /build/tmp/pobj/firefox-118.0.1/firefox-118.0.1/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:167
02:16 < welcome> argh
02:16 < welcome> oops
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02:19 < fro> how did you install firefox
02:19 < welcome> same waya I usually do- pkg_add firefox
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02:20 < oldlaptop> Did you look in dmesg yet?
02:20 < topcat001> Have you followed the readme files included with firefox?
02:21 < welcome> I have looked at the info in dmesg, which mirrors the exits of processes by firefox, and I have read the pkg-readme on firefox but i don;t really understand it
02:21 < topcat001> I mean the openbsd readme files which are part of the package. They contain helpful config tips for openbsd.
02:21 < oldlaptop> What do you mean, it "mirrors the exits"?
02:21 < welcome> I am looking at unveil.main in /etc/firefox
02:21 < fro> shouldn't need to look at it anyway
02:21 < welcome> ok
02:21 < fro> firefox typically will just work
02:22 < topcat001> yes that's what I meant, if only to understand how it is set up.
02:22 < fro> something else is wrong here
02:22 < welcome> I am going to ebuild the system and try again. I thought it should just work as well
02:22 < fro> if this is all default settings
02:22 < fro> fresh install
02:22 < fro> etc
02:23 < topcat001> Might be useful try a new account (or a temp profile) to sanity check.
02:23 < welcome> I will rebuild, but as i said, I installed it on another system which is new and has had little use, and it won't work there either
02:23 < fro> also does other browser work?
02:23 < fro> another*
02:24 < welcome> I could persure the alternative browser iea, I was thinking of that yesterday
02:24 < welcome> but I would like to stay with firefox
02:24 < fro> sure i didn't mean to use permanently
02:24 < welcome> and fix it if I can for firefox
02:24 < welcome> ok
02:25 < fro> what do you mean by rebuild
02:25 < welcome> I'll try something else and get back here
02:25 < fro> you just mean reinstall right?
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02:25 < welcome> Reinstall 7.3
02:25 < fro> ok just checking
02:25 < fro> trying to determine if you are building from source
02:25 < oldlaptop> welcome: What exactly do you mean by "it mirrors the exits"?
02:25 < fro> (don't do that)
02:25 < oldlaptop> What do you see in dmesg?
02:26 < fro> i think they mean they see the same messages as they already posted in dmesg
02:26 < fro> that's what i took that to mean
02:26 < fro> the same errors, etc
02:26 < oldlaptop> It would be exceedingly bizzare to see firefox's console output repeated, verbatim, in dmesg.
02:26 < fro> yeah i agree
02:26 < fro> but that's still what i took from this
02:26 < fro> !
02:27 < fro> i haven't sued firefox in a long, long time now
02:27 < oldlaptop> I'm not aware of any mechanism by which userland can just dump garbage in dmesg.
02:28 < welcome> Actually
02:28 < welcome> I'm wrogn about dmesg
02:28 < welcome> I get several of these messages: firefox[77417]: pledge "proc", sfirefox[77417]: pledge "proc", syscall 195
02:28 < welcome> yscall 195
02:28 < oldlaptop> Okay, now we're getting somewhere.
02:29 < oldlaptop> ISTR seeing *just* the syscall number, and not a syscall name, is a sign the kernel and userland are not matched.
02:29 < oldlaptop> You said this was 7.3-release?
02:31 < welcome> yes
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02:31 < welcome> not matched, that is not good, Egon
02:31 < oldlaptop> You say you installed with `pkg_add firefox`, yes? What's in /etc/installurl? (also $PKG_PATH if that's set)
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02:32 < welcome>  /etc/installurl
02:33 < welcome> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD
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02:33 < welcome> PKG_PATH is not set, but I would have used
02:33 < oldlaptop> What does uname -a say?
02:34 < oldlaptop> (although given that, pkg_add *should* be picking the right thing.)
02:34 < welcome> PKG_PATH=http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/packages/amd64/
02:35 < welcome> uname -a :OpenBSD arc.krsna.dev 7.3 GENERIC.MP#1125 amd64
02:37 < welcome> I will backup and reinstall. I don't mind doing that- it's good practive for me
02:37 < welcome> *practive
02:37 < welcome> argh
02:38 < welcome> practice
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02:40 < oldlaptop> (Hm, syscall 195 appears to have last changed in 2019. Don't think that's likely to be the problem.)
02:42 < welcome> ok
02:42 < welcome> I'll be back is a while
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02:53 < fro> just looks like a pledge config issue to me
02:53 < fro> but i don't know why that would be a problem by default
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02:53 < fro> i never use the releases
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02:57 < oldlaptop> It's not a problem by default :|
02:57 < fro> i'm just going by what this person says heh
02:58 < oldlaptop> not on the nearest 7.3 amd64 machine to hand here it's not
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08:16 < vortexx> oldlaptop: wasn't the problem that the .config dir wasn't created and firefox needs it?
08:16 < vortexx> I=892 B=4 Q=102 T=18 F=0 !=5
08:16 < vortexx> getting there...
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10:06 < eau> hoi hoi
10:06 < eau> anybody has issue with unwind not resolving
10:06 < eau> ?
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10:44 < welcome> I would like to write a simple graphics library for openbsd. What should one read? (I have no browser so it would need to be something I would find on a system recently installed)
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10:45 < avemestr> Grab the source from CVS and start reading.
10:46 < welcome> omg ... ok
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11:00 < welcome> I tried to get a src tree with the instructions from the man (man 7 cvsinfo) but alas, the address was not resolved by my tcp/ip layers
11:01 < welcome> Could you suggest a server?
11:02 < op2> there's a list of anoncvs mirrors here: https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#CVSROOT
11:02 < op2> or you can use the {github,codeberg} git mirror too
11:02 < welcome> again, alas, I have no browser
11:03 < uwharrie> you've got ftp
11:03 < op2> worst case you can fetch that page with ftp(1) and read it, it's human readable
11:04 < welcome> I will try that
11:04 < op2> IIRC that page is where the list is maintained
11:05 < op2> btw, i haven't had coffee yet today, but i don't seem to have cvsinfo(7) here
11:05 < welcome> oops
11:06 < welcome> it's cvsintro
11:06 < op2> ah :D
11:07 < op2> nl.openbsd.org is not listed in the anoncvs.html page.  probably the mirror was retired and the manpage forgot to be updated
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11:20 < avemestr> welcome: There's a lot of browsers available. Why don't you install one of them?
11:21 < welcome> Indeed. I hath installed chromium : )
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12:00 < oldlaptop> vortexx: doesn't seem so, empirically
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12:17 < rahl> Does anyone have some suggestions for project management software that can be hosted on openbsd? I have team mates who want something like trello, but I want a reasonable self-hosted option.
12:18 < welcome> I have a dream, of using IRC to do MIS ... but I uess you're looking for a specific application for it
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12:20 < rahl> welcome: Unfortunately I am the only team member who spends most time in a terminal
12:20 < rahl> Or uses IRC for that matter
12:20 < rahl> I realise IRC does have gui options
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12:22 < rahl> I am not a fan of the kanban, gannt malarky, but work with others who feel differently - though I can see some use of course
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12:27 < welcome> I have been cvssing for the past few tens of minutes and it is very interesting
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12:28 < welcome> It's like in quake Arcane Dimensions where you come across a secret book full of spells and lore
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12:31 < rahl> :)
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12:50 < eau> anybody knows where the /dev/zero char device driver is define d?
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12:58 < avemestr> rahl: https://fossil-scm.org/ has it all and runs on OpenBSD.
13:03 < eau> i m looking through the sources, but can't seems to find where it is defined
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13:15 < welcome> op2, I have the src now
13:15 < welcome> thanks
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13:33 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!. What cloud options do have OpenBSD?, I wanted to use OpenBSD for a project (which included virtualization) but I saw that AWS didn't had it, so I couldn't find an easy installation. If there's option for manual installation, I could do them but, noone else so, I wanted it to be easy
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13:34 < avemestr> Minall: Vultr, Hetzner, etc.
13:35 < xse> as in you want to be able to use vmd on your virtualized openbsd instance in the cloud ?
13:35 < avemestr> E.g: https://www.vultr.com/servers/openbsd/
13:35 < Minall> Yes, though I eventually had to go with another option, I still want to do it in the future 
13:36 < Minall> I would want to install OpenBSD locally but right now I lack the hardware
13:36 < amblerite> i have a couple openbsd boxes with vultr. works fine. most providers let you use custom isos though if you prefer
13:37 < xse> there has to be some place with bare metal options and the right cpu stuff (nested pages? or smth)
13:38 < xse> otherwise i guess qemu should be able to do slowish full software vms on whatever instances
13:38 < avemestr> Grab a bare metal server from Hetzner's Server Auction. Use the support form to get a KVM + an USB-stick with OpenBSD on it plugged in. Takes 15-30 minutes for them to fix.
13:39 < dennis> do you even need that? many of those servers have multiple disks. couldn't you just use rescuemode to download the iso and dd to a disk?
13:39 < avemestr> Probably.
13:39 < dennis> you might want raid though
13:40 < Minall> I'll take a look at vultr, sounds interesting. I'm reading also about the Hetzner.
13:40 < Minall> I don't need it, it was just for a better project sake, I was doing DFIR tests and when doing research to the malware I wanted to say I choose OpenBSD since <- All of the amazing features, and security and code. And then check the malware there in a very secure environment
13:41 < Minall> I'll probably have a laptop available ready to install on though. I really want to install EXWM and run everything in OpenBSD
13:42 < eau> Minall: exoscale.ch also has openbsd vm and obviously openbsd.amsterdam
13:44 < phy1729> You can make custom disk images for most cloud providers.
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13:44 < Minall> Thank you for those two options. I'll also check them
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15:54 < Minall> Perhaps a very wide question, but I'm reading about the not being able to read/write on ext4 and, I wonder how much work would this need in OpenBSD and, what can I do to help? 
15:56 < rahl> avemestr: Thank you very much. Reading up
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15:59 < rahl> Minall: anyone who will give you a vps (on kvm, and other?) should allow you to manually install openbsd even if they don't provide an image themselves.
16:00 < rahl> oops, asked and better answered already :)
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18:44 < rahl> Shame that the fossil project apparently likes to treat people who don't use JS as bots.
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18:54 < thrig> I recall sqlite.org mandating javascript (or wasting time looking at the source) to download the docs
18:56 < avemestr> SQLite is one of the larger projects using Fossil.
18:59 < rahl> yep, according to that site, it's what fossil was designed for, IIUC
18:59 < rahl> thrig: irksome
19:00 < rahl> Damnit, I just need something simple to do time/task management so I can make some other people happy
19:00 < rahl> Why can't they be satisfied with a todo list in vim? :)
19:04 < thrig> because how would you spend time on improving your todo software situation?
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19:28 < avemestr> There's always Jira and Confluence...
19:28  * avemestr runs
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19:41  * topcat001 suffers greatly from those
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22:09 < rahl> thrig: darn, of course!
22:09 < rahl> avemestr: Not sure you can run fast enough
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22:17 < rahl> Just reading around, found this. https://www.phoronix.com/news/ODkxMw Anything ever come of it?
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23:14 < vortexx> took 18 hours to do my non-X11 packages, time to upgrade
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23:16 < oldlaptop> rahl: generally fossil repos set up in 'anti-bot mode' will let you log in as "anonymous" (which is in effect a reasonably easy captcha)
23:16 < oldlaptop> doing so does not (generally) require js
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