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00:03 < vortexx> sigh, zabbix_server is spamming syslogd upon upgrade with a gazillion repeated messages
00:08 < thrig> at least the log velocity isn't tickling linux kernel bugs?
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00:09 < vortexx> 69.63% /usr/sbin/syslogd
00:10 < vortexx> zabbix has been bumped to 6.4 and unlike the move to 6.4 the db isn't locking up after upgrade, so far the web interface is working but I'm not sure it's running properly
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00:17 < vortexx> s/the move to 6.4/the move to 6.0
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00:32 < vortexx> seems to be calming down but syslogd is still running high
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07:49 < tercaL> When will 7.4 be released? Any estimated date would help a lot, too. Planning to rent a remote dedi server and build a mailserver, got KVM access only once, so wanted to know if I should wait a bit more..
07:50 < tercaL> Before proceeding with all those packages and configurations..
07:51 < quinq> Hi tercaL, that would be this month
07:54 < tercaL> Hi quinq
07:55 < rahl> oldlaptop: ack thanks.
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08:05 < avemestr> n
08:06 < avemestr> rahl: A bit discussion back then: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2
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08:11 < anon893> I have had sudden electricity shutdown during "shutdown" command and now so my partitions got improperly unmounted and now I have just barebone shell, how do I rescue my system?
08:12 < avemestr> fsck
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08:12 < anon893> avemestr: how do I use it? do I just type fsck?
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08:13 < avemestr> fsck -y will run it in fully automatic mode.
08:14 < avemestr> Otherwise do: man fsck to see the options.
08:14 < IcePic> anon893: boot from bsd.rd, run fsck from there, after fsck, reboot
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08:16 < anon893> thanks y'all, now it works properly 
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08:28 < mozhaaak_> Hello, is there a way to do DDNS on OBSD router, I want a way to give my friend a static ip using my domen name, something like friend.mydomen.xyz
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09:21 < avemestr> mozhaaak_: "man hosts". 
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09:22 < avemestr> mozhaaak_: Add your friends IP and desired hostname to /etc/hosts.
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10:05 < mozhaaak_> avemestr: Is it really what i need? He has a dynamic ip, I want to be a DDNS server for him, his provider doesn't give static ips with no other options
10:07 < mozhaaak_> avemestr: I want him to ping me when ip changes and then to tie it to my subdomen
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10:27 < Filystyn> guys, 7.4, when ?
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10:32 < mozhaaak_> Filystyn: let me see, i need to finish dinner 1st
10:34 < avemestr> Filystyn: I might have been a bit optimistic on the RX 6600 stuff. Perhaps you should switch to -current to get the goodies faster, if it doesn't make it in 7.4.
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10:43 < avemestr> ... when it makes it into -current.
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11:11 < welcome> HELO
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11:12 < welcome> well, I cvssed the src and now have a tree to read. Interesting so far. Mostly over my head to be honest
11:12 < welcome> What I would like to try is to implement a simple graphics interface for openbsd
11:12 < welcome> I know there's SDL, and XCB
11:13 < welcome> I would like to try making one myself
11:14 < welcome> a siimple one with a few basic functions, like setpixcol, putpixel, fillpoly
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11:16 < welcome> so I'm reading stuff in (as suggested here in IRC earlier) /usr/src/sys/dev/pci/drm/ and it's very heady stuff (for me)
11:16 < welcome> I need to work out what functions I need to get to video memory and how to talk pixels to it
11:17 < welcome> I will allocate several months on this to see if I get anywhere
11:18 < welcome> it will give me something peacceful to do while I work on other stuff
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11:21 < dlg> welcome: https://github.com/dgwynne/wslv might be interesting to you then
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11:21 < welcome> mm? 
11:21  * welcome looks
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11:30 < welcome> LVGL looks interesting
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11:36 < welcome> for UIs the website says
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11:37 < welcome> I was thinking, maybe I could read the source of that and see how they talk to the graphics hardware
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11:38 < Intrepid> Hi folks, I've just tried accessing a crypto volume on a USB thumb drive only to get "invalid metadata" whenever I do the basic bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd1i softraid 0 command... Any ideas?
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11:40 < welcome> disklabel /dev/sd1c says what?
11:43 < Intrepid> which category? fs type?
11:44 < Intrepid> c has fstype "unused"
11:44 < Intrepid> Yet it also has the most space compared to the other two partitions (a and i)
11:44 < Intrepid> as in space used up
11:45 < Intrepid> a has fstype "4.2BSD"
11:45 < nedko> Intrepid: "c" means whole disk
11:45 < Intrepid> thanks nedko
11:45 < welcome> all of it
11:46 < Intrepid> and so "unused" for fstype???
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11:48 < Intrepid> I thought it might be disk corruption, but on trying to mount a couple other USB drives that I've made crypto volumes I get the same error "Invalid Metadata Format"
11:48 < Intrepid> and by mount I mean the first step of using bioctl rather
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11:50 < welcome> disklabel /dev/sd1c says what?
11:52 < Intrepid> I've already stated - see above.
11:52 < welcome> the whole output would help perhaps
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11:53 < Intrepid> I don't know how to output it I'm afraid. Hence I gave the most relevant aspects of the output (fstype)
11:54 < welcome> I presume you are on openbsd of some version, what does uname -r say?
11:54 < Intrepid> shouldn't it show an fstype of [RAID] for at least one of the partitions?
11:54 < Intrepid> im running 7.3
11:54 < welcome> [CRYPTO] I think it is
11:54 < Intrepid> true
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11:55 < Intrepid> so instead of [CRYPTO] it shows [4.2BSD] for 'a' partition [unused] for c and [MSDOS] for i partition
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11:56 < welcome> actually it wouls show RAID
11:56 < welcome> would*
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11:59 < welcome> try maounting it normally without bioctl
11:59 < welcome> *mounting
11:59 < Intrepid> ok trying now
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12:01 < Intrepid> It seemed to mount ok using sdi instead of sdc (I can't honestly remember which number I may have used in creating it), but on browsing to it in /mnt/USB I see only "efi"
12:02 < welcome> what does the whole of disklabel /dev/sd1c show?
12:04 < welcome> You can copy and paste text by highlighting the text in the terminal, then in the IRC client, press the middle mouse button to paste the highlighted text
12:05 < Intrepid> its in an fvwm window, and I've no middle mouse button lol
12:05 < welcome> an xterm window?
12:05 < Intrepid> xterm yeh
12:08 < welcome> are you sure you don't have a middle mouse button
12:08 < Intrepid> but I'm happy to list out all the entries (there's only 3) 'a' partition is first with a size of 1358848, offset of 1024, , fstype [4.2BSD] [fsize 2048, bsize 16384, cpg 16142]
12:09 < Intrepid> 'c' partition is second of the three partitions with a size of 60088320, offset of 'o' and fstyle 'unused' with no entries under the [fsize, bsize, cpg] category.
12:10 < welcome> c is the actual disk hardware
12:10 < Intrepid> 'i' partition is the third of three partitions (though this whole output starts with "16 partitions:" with a size of 960, offset of 64, and fstype [MSDOS]
12:11 < Intrepid> ah ok
12:11 < welcome> it does not appear to have a crypto volume
12:11 < Intrepid> Would it still show it though having been unable to decrypt it with the bioctl -c C -l command?
12:12 < welcome> if there is no crypto volume .... it cannot decrypt it
12:13 < Intrepid> so what might explain why its suddenly not showing this crypto volume when I only accessed it and detached it successfully just a month or so ago at last use?
12:13 < welcome> beats me
12:13 < welcome> has anyone else used it?
12:18 < Intrepid> interesting disklabel list showing in the section before it gives the table:  "label: fictitious" and  type "vnd"  disk: "vnd device"
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12:21 < welcome> no idea to be honest
12:21 < Intrepid> ok well thks for trying nonetheless...
12:22 < xse> here's what it looks like with a crypto volume on a partition on an usb disk: https://0x0.st/HWRA.txt (sd3 is sd2a)
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12:24 < Intrepid> thks xse on looking into it I see straight away that my "type" and "disk" as vnd and vnd device are messed up where they should be SCSI etc.
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12:25 < Intrepid> hw.disknames isn't working for me...
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12:26 < Intrepid> So why is my USB drive that was at last check working as a perfectly fine SR Crypto volume now not even being recognised by disklabel as a SCSI drive...
12:26 < mozhaaak_> So, is there any DDNS server software on OBSD, i want to replace DynDNS guy for my friend?
12:27 < mozhaaak_> s/guy//
12:28 < Intrepid> Mine also doesn't show buttplug /bsd entries at the end like your's but maybe that's a good thing .-)
12:28 < xse> i'm not sure what vnd means in that case, to me it sounds like what you'd use to mount like a raw disk image
12:28 < Intrepid> I had my Yubikey plugged in momentarily in another USB port... would that explain the VND thing?
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12:29 < pardis> a vnd device is not a USB disk
12:29 < pardis> you are not accessing the correct disk
12:29 < Intrepid> PS - in seeing if this bioctl command works on the various usb drives I have as backups, I've simply unplugged the disks physically and then plugged in the different USB drive before trying bioctl -c etc.
12:30 < xse> hw.diskname is from sysctl you have it for sure, those /bsd entries are also 100% a requirement for you to be able to use disklabel on it (the hotplugd stuff is not)
12:30 < pardis> how did you determine that sd1 is the disk you're interested in?
12:30 < pardis> because it isn't, so whatever you did is wrong
12:30 < tercaL> Got a fresh OpenBSD on a VM, my console has: reorder_kernel: failed - see GENERIC.MP/relink.log file. And the log file contains; https://pastebin.mozilla.org/wENzyxbz - any clue?
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12:31 < tercaL> This is 7.3 amd64
12:31 < welcome> that happens a fair few times in my experience, tercaL but is livable
12:32 < Intrepid> pardis, as always, you've no interest in helping anyone or anything. You're sole interest is in denegrating anyone who you deem isn't tech clued up enough... but as always I'm honoured to accept your waste
12:32 < pardis> yep, that's why I asked you for more information and you're refusing to provide it, I don't want to help
12:33 < pardis> well spotted
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12:34 < Intrepid> Well perhaps you might want to look back at our past interactions and maybe then you'll understand why I'm not giving you more information. Furthermore smartarse, I've only 3 disks connected according to my sysctl hw.disknames output with wd0 (HDD) sd0 (the decrypted HDD) and sd1 (the USB in question)
12:35 < welcome> what does dmesg | grep sd show 
12:35 < welcome> don't paste it all here
12:36 < Intrepid> Multiple sd1 entries confirming Sandisk USB of varying sizes with "detached" status for all of them
12:37 < welcome> not your console output
12:37 < welcome> dmesg
12:37 < Intrepid> That's whats showing in my xterm after entering dmesg|grep sd
12:38 < welcome> that sounds like more likely your /var/log/messages
12:39 < Intrepid> well that's what came out after entering dmesg}grep sd
12:39 < Intrepid> well that's what came out after entering dmesg|grep sd
12:40 < pardis> if you mount /dev/sd1a, what is on that?
12:40 < pardis> that might help you identify what's going on
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12:47 < xse> yeah vnd sounds really wrong i recall encountering something like that mounting raw vm images
12:49 < Intrepid> ok, by using that command pardis I found that it was a different disk entirely. On therefore finding the actual disk and running disklabel again I found a RAID volume that I've now already decrypted, but am now getting "Device not configured" on trying to mount it...
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12:51 < Intrepid> Actual message: "mount_ffs: /dev/sd2i on/mnt/USB: Device not configured
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12:54 < xse> it's not clear which device is what like, once you decrypt the RAID volume you'll get a new disk in hw.disknames, that's the decrypted volume
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12:55 < Intrepid> yeh that's the sd2 that came from my encrypted sd1 starting USB point
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12:57 < xse> that suggest sd2i does not exist
12:57 < xse> disklabel sd2
12:58 < Intrepid> ok trying disklabel sd2 now
12:59 < Intrepid> disklabel sd2 output seems correct... It refers to it as a SCSI with SR Crypto etc. and then 16 partitions but only shows a 'c' with  "fs type [4.2BSD] entry in the table
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13:03 < xse> try mounting that one ?
13:03 < Intrepid> sd2c?
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13:03 < xse> right
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13:12 < Intrepid> ok this has been most enlightening and simultaneously embarassing. Thanks to all for their help.. even pardis .-)
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13:13 < Intrepid> adeus muchachos
13:13 < xse> think about keeping notes or use hotplugd (i don't remember where/how my partitions are setup, it does that for me and serves as reference when i need to remember)
13:14 < Intrepid> yeh, ive just scribbled a few notes on the sd2c's vs sd2i's ...
13:14 < Intrepid> thanks again
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13:29 < welcome> HELO
13:30 < welcome> I can't get firmware -: firmware.openbsd.org/firmware gives me a message about a TLS certificate
13:30 < welcome> and no FIRMWARE !!!
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13:34 < jmcunx> Works for me, did you try fw_update(8).  https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#WifiOnly
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13:35 < welcome> I cannot do fw_update as the system I need to update doesn't have wifi without firmware first
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13:37 < welcome> stuff it
13:38 < welcome> I shall obtain the longest network cable and connect the computer to my router
13:38 < Filystyn> ;-)
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13:42 < onebitboy> welcome: regarding the tls cert: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/16q49yd/openbsd_man_and_firmware_pages/k1w3iau/
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15:16 < mlw> Hello. Is anyone here possible using the databases/recoll engine with the webui under OpenBSD's native httpd?
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15:16 < mlw> If it works, I would be very pleased to know.
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16:17 < xha> hi, i am trying to define a PT_OPENBSD_NOBTCFI segment in a linker script but ld tells me "invalid programm header type". can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong :D
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16:25 < vortexx> for next time Intrepid shows up: 1. the disk must be of type RAID not 4.2BSD or bioctl won't work. 2. there should be a disklabel entry on the decrypted drive for partition a, not i. i is for non-ffs. 3. he probably did newfs  on the c partition, which kinda works but leads to confusion and possible problems later. What a lot of woe for not having followed the FAQ properly
16:27 < pardis> 2 doesn't really matter, a is conventional for the root filesystem but for a non-root disk any partition may be used
16:27 < pardis> i is a strange choice, though
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16:28 < pardis> but it is used in the FAQ
16:28 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
16:28 < lts> Hello Minall 
16:28 < vortexx> 2 may not really matter but it certainly induces confusion to anyone trying to help, especially with no copypasting of output from various commands
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16:29 < pardis> agreed, but if someone wants help they should provide said output or expect confusion anyway
16:29 < Minall> lts Hi!.
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16:32 < Minall> I have a 237GB drive, where I want ot make the 90GB free I have into a partition (this a normal SSD I'm connecting through an USB adaptor) and install OpenBSD there, as in me being able to boot into the external drive so that I'm running OpenBSD natively in the PC. am I able to do this?
16:33 < Minall> And if I connect the external drive from one PC to another, could I still boot into my system? 
16:33 < Minall> Asking since I have a Windows Machine and a MacOS M1 one, so I wonder if I could connect my OpenBSD system in neither of them (though the windows would be enough)
16:36 < lts> Yes for the Windows machine, but it will be slow (because USB) and you need to be very careful with commands so that you don't overwrite the other partitions. It would be simpler if you would run OpenBSD in a virtual machine or on a dedicated disk
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16:38 < vortexx> Minall: perfectly doable, might be good to create the OpenBSD slice using a tool you're familiar with first before running the installer
16:39 < vortexx> practice in a VM first if you can
16:39 < Minall> lts Makes sense. I just wanted to have all of my desktop on OPenBSD, exwm and other things so, I'm thinking about the possibilities. Another question would be, if even in a VM could I use the virtualization tecihnology openbsd has? (I want to test it)
16:40 < lts> Yes but such a double virtualization would be more a proof of concept that it works than a performant virtualization
16:42 < Minall> I see. My goal would be to use OpenBSD as desktop yet, I'm a little scare about not being able to support things like, for me, I use my personal for DFIR studying, which comes cool since OpenBSD allows me to understand things and actually know how they work, yet I would be limited if there's an USB I have to write into. Though recently I've learning the netcat way
16:43 < Minall> I see that one of the benefits is that the tools are high level but, once you understand them, you can do a lot more things, same as Linux yet Linxu would have a lot other tools that may not be necessary ? <- Perhaps I'm talking nonsense
16:44 < Minall> I'm just thinking about the use cases... I can see that one can run docker in a VM which may be needed if I need to virtualize. what about npm support for things like ReactJS, or ansible? are they available?
16:44 < Minall> I can find small bits of stacks with PHP and so on, but not something much more specific, in the case that these work for me, what would be the best way to share them?, a blog?, reddit?, for the community
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16:46 < lts> Choose the right tools for right job. It sounds like you need Linux to do your job
16:46  * xse uses an alpine vm for 'parcel build' that stuff uses distributed binaries tho i'm sure you could build it if you spend the time
16:47 < Minall> lts Right... In that case I could just go into still use MacOS or Linux, yet being a OpenBSD power user and being able to find work arounds sounds pretty appealing to me. And well, being able to give to the community so other people can actually find my workarounds if they are doable, then more people would be able to use OpenBSD desktop
16:48 < phy1729> ansible certainly works. I think npm does as well, but I only used that for making a firefox extension a while back and don't touch it much
16:48 < pardis> note that VMs on OpenBSD are limited to a single vcpu
16:49 < pardis> so depending on your docker workload, it may be slow to use it that way
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16:50 < Minall> May be right... If it is a database it may be indeed very limited. Performance is also another thing to consider
16:51 < Minall> What are you guys using OpenBSD for?, only server?
16:51 < Minall> Or proxies and suchj
16:51 < phy1729> I think most of the regulars run it on their desktop/laptop
16:58 < xse> unless you really need it the single vcpu isn't that big of a deal
17:00 < xse> > https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/9b75jw/comment/e51c1h3/
17:05 < Minall> Amazing
17:06 < Minall> I'm thinking about the things I would run then in a VM, that way I can just make a workaroud if I need to run something, plus the security of the VM if I need to run security tools
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17:08 < vortexx> just upgraded my synapse vm to 7.4 and now I get this message in dmesg: mount_ffs: e2234b02880316ed.k on /var/synapse: Device busy
17:08 < vortexx> I can fsck and mount it properly in bsd.rd, but can't mount it when booting normally
17:08 < vortexx> no idea what's going on here
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17:15 < vortexx> I can also mount it when booting in single user mode but if I let boot procede normally afterwards it won't mount
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17:27 < Minall> What would be the world for a bootable openbsd stick that is the system?, not an installation?
17:28 < Minall> I'm trying to look for openbsd bootable stick as to say the system itself in the USB, not the installer
17:28 < thrig> 1. install to a usb stick 2. ??? 3. there is no step three
17:31 < Minall> thrig Is the Installation the OpenBSD system then? <- may be a good question beware
17:31 < Minall> Alright lol
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17:49 < Minall> thrig: well I have an installation media yet, not OpenBSD itself... I was thinking more of the entire system. Perhaps I'm confused
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17:59 < brynet> Minall: There is nothing special about installing to a USB stick, only that you'll need to obtain the sets over the network or from a second USB stick.
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18:38 < orwell> Is hotswapping HDDs possible? I just inserted a new disk but dmesg show no hints that the system recognized the new disk.
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19:00 < avemestr> orwell: I think "man hotplugd" mentions it.
19:03 < avemestr> The need for hotswap is so seldom (at least for me) that I'd just shutdown, switch HDD, boot.
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19:04 < orwell> hotplugd is one step further. This won't work if the system (eg. dmesg) doesn't notice there's a new disk.
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19:04 < orwell> not necessary, but nice to have
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19:05 < orwell> But i assume, this answers that it is possible. I'll have to check why my system does not recognize new disks.
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19:18 < thrig> IBM mainframes are a bit more hot swappable
19:18 < thrig> and expensive
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19:26 < vortexx> orwell: the hardware has to support it, your average PC mainboard doesn't but a raid card for ex would
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19:26 < vortexx> hot swappable usually needs a server case
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19:28 < thrig> they tend not to glue things into mainframes
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19:37 < orwell> vortexx, thx that was the missing piece
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19:42 < vortexx> yw orwell 
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