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11:50 < bountyht> markand: Why do you mention that?
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13:43 < trench> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLskKNopggjc7s6nAMxKF0tAO77ZIowZdx from EuroBSDcon
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14:09 < vortexx> I've got syslogd+tls woes: after upgrading from 7.3 to 7.4, my central logger's syslogd (which gets logs from 9 systems, of which 7 are OpenBSD ones which speak tls to the logger) starting running at 100% of cpu, and the logs are flooded with repeated messages. All OpenBSD have my self signed cert cat'd to cert.pem so that they can speak tls, but since 7.4 the clients are complaining about a self signed 
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14:09 < vortexx> cert, which worked previously. I'm not seeing anything in http://www.openbsd.org/plus74.html or current.html about this. I do have letsencrypt wildcard certs available, I guess I'll have to move to those but what happened to using self signed certs?
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14:16 < tercaL> vortexx: So is 7.4 released?
14:17 < IcePic> tercaL: no
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14:17 < IcePic> vortexx: almost all parts of ssl doesn't care for if you "pay" or not for the certs
14:17 < IcePic> the math works out the same anyhow
14:18 < sibiria> EV certs are a giant scam
14:19 < sibiria> the cream on top of the scam of paid CA inclusion with browser vendors
14:19 < moviuro> hi all, I'm at a roadblock regarding email hosting. My previous offer's price went x50 so I'm considering selfhosting. openbsd.amsterdam looks like just what I need, but has anyone reports/feedback about email deliverability from their IP ranges? openbsd+opensmtpd might be worth it (and also, another fun way to miss important email)
14:21 < sibiria> because of their small size and niche focus their ranges are probably "cleaner" than most other popular hosts
14:21 < dayid> moviuro: I've had no problem with it but I'm also not a "bulk/campaign" mailer.
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14:23 < dayid> (side-note: apparently just passed my 3-year mark with openbsd.amsterdam also)
14:23 < dayid> from 'uptimed': %up               99.957 | since                     Wed Oct  7 01:03:12 2020   (I think a few minutes of that was for them doing updates, most of it is for me doing updates/reboots)
14:24 < vortexx> tercaL: not yet but I compiled it using the 7-4 release code that's on the CVS servers
14:28 < moviuro> dayid: I don't plan on being a bulk mailer either, but having my email reach its destination sounds kind of important.
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14:29 < oldlaptop> tercaL: Normally a release's code is tagged in CVS some weeks before it is actually released.
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14:31 < tercaL> Oh, got it. Thank you.
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14:33 < renaud> tercaL: cdn has 7.4 for amd64 already
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14:35 < oldlaptop> Sets have to be built for however many arches it is now (including some for which the hardware is relatively slow), documentation has to be gotten in order, packages need to get built (which takes a fair bit of time even for fast arches - the slower ones may well end up waiting until after release even as it is)
14:36 < tercaL> renaud, oh thanks for this! Cool.
14:36 < oldlaptop> In the old days CDs would need to get pressed. (Since that went away the releases have generally been happening sooner.)
14:38 < IcePic> the zerobyte ANNOUNCEMENT file is kind of sus
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14:45 < Bradipo> I still pine for the days when we had CDs.  I bought at least one each release.
14:46 < IcePic> CDs with 1x1" stickers for your greybox pc
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14:46 < IcePic> I had some of my work places buy 19 CDs of each release. You got some 40% discount if you purchased 20 or more, so our count of .. "licensable" obsd instanses was always 19
14:46 < Bradipo> Yes, that was a good reason to buy 2... one of them was so you could keep a full set of stickers (for collector status), and the other so you could stick them to your PC/laptop/water bottle.
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14:59 < dayid> moviuro: Then yeah, I'd expect with normal moderm mail setup you'd be good. Your IP at openbsd.amsterdam is "yours" and isn't shared, so it's not like some shared-hosting where you're getting the $ip-used-by-spammer-last-week type pool
15:01 < moviuro> I'll have to try things out first though... I can't believe how much of a pain in the butt that entire thing is!..
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15:10 < renaud> hmm, why does sysclean want me to remove _dovecot and _whatsapp users
15:11 < phy1729> Do you still have those ports installed?
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15:11 < renaud> yes
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15:13 < renaud> I have added the to sysclean.ignore, but I feel I shouldn't have to
15:15 < phy1729> does getent passwd _dovecot match the @newuser line in /var/db/pkg/dovecot-*/+CONTENTS ?
15:15 < phy1729> iirc it'll compare the name/homedir/shell as well
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15:33 < renaud> phy1729: good catch, they don't match
15:33 < renaud> no idea why
15:34 < renaud> @newuser _dovecot:518:_dovecot::Dovecot Account:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin
15:34 < renaud> _dovecot:*:618:618:Dovecot Account:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin
15:35 < thrig> off by one
15:35 < renaud> the question is why?
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15:38 < renaud> it seems it won't be too hard to correct anyway, but I would like to know how it happened
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15:44 < renaud> for whatsapp, I can understand as I made the port, so I might have tested it with another uid, but for dovecot, no idea how it happened
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16:00 < armin> so in the 7.3 installer, when configuring a network device, the default for "ipv4 address" is "autoconf", while the default for "ipv6 address" is "none". what's the idea behind this?
16:01 < vortexx> OK I found the source of the syslogd problem, my site74.tgz pushed out a syslog.conf that made the central syslog log to itself via tls instead of locally, which of course led to circular logging lol
16:01 < vortexx> will need a site74-centralogger.tgz instead
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17:10 < drevil> Hello folks and good time of day
17:11 < drevil> Any advice on what to use to filter out inbound DNS requests? relayd doesn't see to support this
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17:11 < drevil> Basically, I want to block all but queries for select DNS zones
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17:13 < sibiria> one way is to run your own resolver (unbound) and define specific zones and just ignore everything else
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17:14 < sibiria> filtering the actual lookups (and letting them exit to whatever resolver on the internet) requires quite a bit of hands-on
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17:42 < vortexx> IcePic: I do wonder if my certs which I generated three years ago aren't of high enough quality (ie use an insufficient cipher). I used these commands: openssl req -days 3650 -nodes -new -x509 -keyout /etc/ssl/private/ca.key -out /etc/ssl/ca.crt
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17:43 < vortexx> openssl req -days 3650 -nodes -new -keyout /etc/ssl/private/host.domain.local.key -out /etc/ssl/private/host.domain.local.csr
17:44 < vortexx> openssl x509 -req -days 3650 -in /etc/ssl/private/host.domain.local.csr -out /etc/ssl/host.domain.local.crt -CA /etc/ssl/ca.crt -CAkey /etc/ssl/private/ca.key -CAcreateserial
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17:49 < CosmicDJ> vortexx: maybe you should show the actual error msg instead of the commands you used...
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17:52 < vortexx> CosmicDJ: Oct  9 17:51:11 buildhost syslogd[16231]: loghost "@tls://loghost.domain.local" connection error: certificate verification failed: self signed certificate in certificate chain
17:52 < vortexx> (yes all clients and loghost have the ca.crt cat'd to /etc/ssl/cert.pem, this worked up till 7.4)
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18:14 < NewtonPumpkin> waiting on nvidia drivers for openbsd :D
18:16 < avemestr> A guy in it for the long haul. I'm lovin' it.
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18:55 < mystic> hello guys, anyone know how to zip a file ? in other unixs systems there is the zip command.. but I haven't found it on obsd. On gzip man there is written to see zip(1)  but that man doesn't exist
18:56 < Minall> I'm trying to create a USB in which I can connect to my laptop and run OpenBSD as a system, but I'm only seeing guides on how to prepare the installer... How can I achieve this?  
18:56 < betabug> mystic: zip is in ports/packages
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19:01 < mystic> betabug: I don't use ports because it's to slow on my pc. I use packages but it should be there too, isn'it ?
19:03 < mystic> betabug: ok installed but the strange thing is that if I search zip by pkg_info -Q zip I don't find it. But I can install it by pkg_add -vi zip
19:03 < betabug> yes, and it's preferable to use packages in any case
19:03 < mystic> :-|
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19:06 < phy1729> mystic: pkg_info -aQ zip (assuming you're on stable not snapshot)
19:07 < betabug> Minall: basically 1) format the filesystem on the usb stick, 2) connect the usb stick when you are in the installer, 3) choose the volume on the usb stick as a target for the installer when asked where to install
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19:08 < Minall> I'll try, it gave me some error but I will restart and comeback if anything happens
19:09 < betabug> hmm, might be that you don't even need step 1, as the installer can format it
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19:11 < betabug> the scary moment is when you chose where to install, to make sure it's really the usb stick and not some other disk
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19:26 < Minall> I first tried to install from the same usb which doesn't make sense so, I got the installed in another USB and I selected the specific USB as well as encrypting it. After that even installing file sets I got the error  failed to get duid for softraid volume
19:26 < Minall> So I guess the bootloaded couldn't get loaded.. I will try again tomorrow, perhaps I should encrypt the disk?
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19:27 < betabug> try it first without encryption, once you have it running, try again with encryption
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19:42 < tercaL> renaud: It seems 7.4 for amd64 is now removed from cdn? It was there when you told here so.
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21:12 < mystic> phy1729: thanks so much!
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21:59 < vortexx> solved my syslog+tls issue, I've distributed the original /etc/ssl/ca.crt to all VMs and add the -C /etc/ssl/ca.crt option to syslogd flags, and now everything is logging normally again
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22:18 < vortexx> s/and add/and added
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22:27 < avemestr> vortexx: Dunno if you're the same guy, but there has just been a thread about a similar issue on -misc: 
22:29 < avemestr> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169687285425955&w=2
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23:27 < bluejaypop> hello everyone, i'm trying to install openbsd 7.3 ISO in vmware, and after i installed i got using drive 0, partition 3, loading, ERR R
23:28 < bluejaypop> i tried to mount /dev/sd0 /mnt and did the installboot -r -v /mnt sd0 biosboot boot but didnt work, how should I fix this ?
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23:47 < bluejaypop> found it, the problem was the /usr partitiion mount
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