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04:23 < myappie> working on a new pfbadhost
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06:39 < rnkn> myappie: you are?
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06:57 < tercaL> I wonder if I fetch the bsd.rd from "pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/" and install my OS through it, does that mean the system will follow -CURRENT? Would binary updates like "syspatch" and pkg_add -u work?
06:59 < zelest> To whomever has commit access: sed -i 's/vmctl.conf/vm.conf/g' 74.html
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07:27 < renaud> tercaL: if you install and run -current (snapshot), syspatch won't work. sysupgrade and pkg_add will still work
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07:29 < tercaL> super cool, thanks a lot renaud
07:30 < renaud> syspatch is useless on -current. If you want the patches, just do a sysupgrade and you will get them along with the new version of -current
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09:28 < welcome> HELO
09:28 < welcome> I am trying to do a fw_update on a system before firstboot
09:29 < welcome> ie, the system has been installed, but I neeed to get firmware on before it boots, or the kernel panics (at least I think it will be better if I can)
09:29 < welcome> I found fw_update, on the system after dropping to a Shell
09:29 < welcome> but it doesn't complete
09:30 < welcome> It can't find something
09:30 < welcome> some misc file
09:30 < welcome> can someone tell me how to run it on the system after installing but before firstboot?
09:30 < welcome> while I still have a shell
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09:32 < welcome> this arose...
09:32 < welcome> after I swapped for  a newer graphics card
09:33 < welcome> still radeon but a fair bit newer
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09:41 < betabug> I guess it needs network access
09:42 < betabug> or, if you have the firmware files it needs somewhere on the fs, you give it the path
09:42 < betabug> fw_update -p path
09:43 < welcome> I know that bit
09:43 < welcome> it won't do it though
09:43 < welcome> lemme get the message for you
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09:45 < welcome> grep: /usr/share/misc/firmware_patterns: no such file or directory
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10:02 < onebitboy> welcome: set $DESTDIR first
10:02 < onebitboy> https://man.openbsd.org/fw_update
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10:09 < IcePic> presumably one could manually chroot to /mnt in the installer, to be in the env of the disk one does the install/upgrade on
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10:36 < terr> Looking to set up my webservers.   Q) hardware.  What is a low cost low power server?  I am thinking Raspberry but maybe other options.  My desktop machines are now Lenovo M900 and my lord the power
10:38 < IcePic> ERL3 could work, fanless, silent and well supported by obsd, but a bit thin on cpu and ram. If you (like me) have very little traffic on your webs, it should survive.
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10:42 < terr> Where can I buy one.  Low traffic now.  Check www.onon.org.  I ran this on 486 equipment
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10:43 < terr> I'm in Calgary.   I can call Carson
10:45 < IcePic> http://www.allsold.ca/ubiquiti-erlite-3-edge-lite-desktop-router-black-22884
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10:48 < terr> IcePic. Thankyou.   Let me check
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10:52 < IcePic> terr: don't know if you have stores that still sell those, but used ones are easy to get hold off, and just get a new usb stick for a drive on them and you are good to go
11:02 < renaud> also, what works well is an old laptop
11:02 < renaud> you even have an UPS included :)
11:07 < IcePic> sure, that is not all bad
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11:26 < renaud> pff, I wish there would be a way to ban OVH phone numbers to call me
11:27 < renaud> I sent a mail to abuse@ovh.com, but, as expected, they don't do anything
11:28 < renaud> oh, nice, it's possible to make unifi server work on OpenBSD
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12:10 < Voyager_MP> Im looking for an uniq identifier for a vm, something I could use to prevent the vm of beeing cloned 
12:10 < Voyager_MP> any clue ?
12:11 < jca> maybe just generate it randomly?
12:11 < quinq> "vm1"
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12:12 < Voyager_MP> that wont work, the vm is reporting this identifier to a attestastion server, he needs to know the identifier 
12:13 < quinq> "vm1" will work, you need to tell the attestation server that it's called "vm1"
12:14 < quinq> By the way, there's no cloning command with vmctl
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12:39 < Voyager_MP> how do I prevent the vm from beeing copied and the started, if I dont trust the hypervisor ?
12:40 < Voyager_MP> Is there anyhing uniq to a vm ?
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12:43 < quinq> You can't
12:43 < quinq> Well, you can by not giving access to vmd to somebody else
12:44 < quinq> A disk should be unique to each vm
12:45 < Voyager_MP> but the disk can be copied as well 
12:46 < quinq> Yes
12:46 < quinq> But then it's a new disk
12:47 < quinq> You realize that you're asking XY questions, right?
12:47 < Voyager_MP> your right, I dont see anything uniq. Reason I'm asking is I need something to verify that the vm is uniq, the mem in encryped and bioctl needs to unlock the vm
12:47 < Voyager_MP> something like mandos in linux 
12:47 < Voyager_MP> but mandos has nothing uniq as well 
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14:14 < tercaL> I got a picture of "What is OpenBSD?" --> uname -a -> "#OpenBSD mail.myhostname.krd 6.8 GENERIC.MP#4 amd64" <- a mail server, running since years. No trouble, no headache, no exploits.
14:15 < tercaL> ...and..obviously, no upgrade :/
14:18 < ssm_> reading 7.4 notes, `malloc(3) gains built-in leak detection.`
14:18 < dayid> "no exploits" or "not exploited" :D
14:18 < thrig> not obviously exploited
14:19 < tercaL> dayid: Well, there was one remote-root exp. for OpenSMTPD - I got dovecot&postfix here, but yeah I see your point :)
14:19 < renaud> or exploited and you didn't see it, hence sucessful exploit
14:19 < dayid> That said if it's appropriately isolated etc not too bad.
14:19 < dayid> Not preferred, but seen worse :)
14:19 < tercaL> *me started to get scared
14:19 < tercaL> even it's few years late
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14:24 < myappie> pfbadhost sucks
14:25 < myappie> imho, kinda like a rogue app or whatever
14:25 < tercaL> myappie: Have been using it since years. Why?
14:25 < myappie> delete it and it still manages to pop up
14:25 < tercaL> to "pop up"?
14:26 < myappie> idk, the main problem was that it shut all my servers out lol
14:26 < myappie> yeah, still it returns to the bin dir, crontab what not
14:26 < myappie> so
14:26 < myappie> im trying to devise a solution
14:27 < tercaL> Remove the line from: crontab -e -u _pfbadhost
14:27 < myappie> not sure what to call it though. pfbadhost2 seems a bit void of creativity
14:27 < myappie> it'sgonna look something like this:
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14:31 < myappie> https://clbin.com/2cDx1 still a mess but it'll be tens of times smaller and less complicated, fingers crossed
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15:13 < ox1eef__> I use https://github.com/0x1eef/blocklist for that, but it still needs a lot of work.
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15:45 < Bradipo> I'm trying to use multixterm on OpenBSD.  When I click "new xterm", a new xterm opens, but it starts spewing a bunch of ^H characters, beeping, and I also see logged to the terminal where I started multixterm: xterm: setegid(45): Operation not permitted
15:46 < il> isn't that backspace?
15:47 < Bradipo> It might be, sure.
15:47 < Bradipo> If I press ctrl-v <backspace> I see a ^?, so I'm not sure.
15:48 < Bradipo> If I enable xterms "Backarrow key (BS/DEL)" then ctrl-v <backspace> produces ^H
15:49 < thrig> linux ever got the backspace thing wrong
15:50 < jmcunx> Bradipo: try this - stty erase '^?'
15:50 < Bradipo> I'm not sure why I should do that...
15:50 < Bradipo> erase = ^?;
15:50 < Bradipo> It's already set.
15:51 < jmcunx> OK, was that fixes the ^H for me, but I never used that term you are trying out
15:51 < Bradipo> Right, well, I'm not having ^H or ^? issues.
15:52 < Bradipo> The problem is clicking "new xterm" from multixterm, starts an xterm that seems to be flooding the tty with a bunch of characters.
15:52 < Bradipo> And xterm outputs: xterm: setegid(45): Operation not permitted
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15:53 < Bradipo> I also see ^G (presumably bell).
15:53 < thrig> why does a terminal need to dabble with setegid calls?
15:53 < Bradipo> I have no idea.
15:53 < Bradipo> I'm not even sure why it would be doing that.
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15:55 < Bradipo> For those of you who don't know what multixterm is, it's a nifty little tool that comes with expect that allows you to control multiple xterms all at the same time from a single process.
15:55 < Bradipo> I've used it quite a bit on Linux, first time trying it on OpenBSD.
15:56 < jak3b> Hello
15:56 < IcePic> Bradipo: so is it setuid on linux, so it can run effective-uid changing calls?
15:56 < Bradipo> Is which setuid?
15:56 < jak3b> Im having a problem installing current
15:56 < Bradipo> xterm is the one complaining about setegid()...
15:56 < IcePic> Bradipo: the multixterm, on linux
15:57 < jak3b> at the end of the install I get a message tha bootblocks could not be installed
15:57 < Bradipo> Well, multixterm is just an expect script, but let me check.
15:57 < IcePic> expect might have elevated rights
15:57 < Bradipo> Permissions on /usr/bin/expect_multixterm are 755.
15:58 < Bradipo> Permissions on /usr/bin/xterm are 755
15:58 < Bradipo> On linux.
15:58 < Bradipo> So no elevated rights.
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16:00 < IcePic> expect might have elevated rights
16:01 < Bradipo> Let me check.
16:01 < Bradipo> No, 755 on /usr/bin/expect as well.
16:01 < Bradipo> 755 also on /usr/bin/wish and /usr/bin/tclsh
16:02 < Bradipo> What I don't understand is what is causing the setegid(45) output...
16:02 < Bradipo> I don't see that normally when I call xterm.
16:03 < Bradipo> It's like multixterm is sending a bunch of stuff to the xterm that it expects to work, but does not.
16:03 < Bradipo> /bin/ksh: G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^GG^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^: not found
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16:06 < Bradipo> The very first thing I see in the terminal is the prompt "$ " followed by a bunch of ^H^H^H^H...
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16:09 < Bradipo> Guess I'll have to dig into multixterm code to see what it's trying to do.
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16:15 < Bradipo> Hmm, multixterm's script does do this: stty raw -echo < $spawn_out(slave,name)
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16:16 < Bradipo> It then calls xterm with the -S argument...
16:17 < Bradipo> -Sccn This option allows xterm to be used as an input and output channel for an existing program and is sometimes used in specialized applications.
16:17 < Bradipo> So perhaps xterm -S on OpenBSD isn't working...
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16:25 < Bradipo> So I added some debugging to multixterm ([puts]) and it calls xterm with this exact argument (after spawn):
16:25 < Bradipo> xterm -name /bin/ksh -Sph5
16:25 < Bradipo> So ph must be the tty that it allocated in [spawn], I'm not sure what that 5 is.
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16:26 < Bradipo> Oh, the 5 is the spawn id.
16:26 < thrig> fd number, maybe?
16:26 < Bradipo> Yes, it's the fd
16:26 < Bradipo> $spawn_out(slave,fd)
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16:28 < Bradipo> I wonder if -S relies upon a working setegid() and that's why it fails.
16:28 < thrig> setegid is probably easy to grep for in the source
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16:28 < Bradipo> But then, I'm not sure how this would work on Linux since xterm does not have any special permission bits.
16:29 < Bradipo> Maybe the setegid() warning isn't relevant.
16:30 < Bradipo> Interesting, xterm on OpenBSD does have the SETGID bit on.
16:30 < Bradipo> Presumably for utmp stuff.
16:36 < IcePic> I think "xterm -C" needs set*id 
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16:39 < xse> multixterm doesn't seem happy here https://0x0.st/H4p_.log
16:39 < Bradipo> At any rate, I can easily reproduce the setgid(45) error.  Just run: TTY=$(tty); xterm -S${TTY#/dev/tty}5
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16:39 < Bradipo> Of course the 5 is arbitrary and isn't an actual fd, but it produces the setegid(45) error
16:39 < Bradipo> And also a bad file descriptor. :-)
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16:46 < Bradipo> xse: Yeah, I'm not sure what's wrong with the -xc option.
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16:47 < Bradipo> Nothing is setting tk_version.
16:47 < Bradipo> presumably the "catch {package require Tk}" should be setting it...
16:48 < Bradipo> When I call "package require Tk" in my own shell, it does set tk_version.
16:50 < xse> figured it out it wanted tk-8.5.19p2 and not tk-8.6.13 - but yeah i see the setegid error now :/
16:52 < Bradipo> Well, perhaps that "catch" shouldn't be there.  It must have been suppressing an error that you didn't have the right tk version. :-)
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18:46 < Albright> By PHP 7.3 I meant 8.3 but I think I'm confused and 8.2 is actually the most recent version
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19:41 < avemestr> Monday it is: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169713432510679&w=2
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19:42 < phy1729> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/etc/root/root.mail#L1
19:43 < Albright> Good to know
19:43 < avemestr> Yep, Solene mentioned that a while ago. Also notice the time.
19:43 < thrig> (one release had an invalid date in a file)
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19:52 < MaddieKalan> I belive ldapd thats included in base OpenBSD is part of OpenBSD so I'm asking here but I already asked the wrong place once so please let me know.  Anywhos: https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/-.a I even tried testing if phpldapadmin or whatever would help me debug it but it also just shows an empty tree where I'm unable to add LDIF.
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19:54 < thrig> why do you use -D twice
19:55 < MaddieKalan> thrig: I am?
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19:56 < MaddieKalan> thrig: I have no good answer for that, I'll try removeing the first -D
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19:57 < MaddieKalan> Exact same error.  But maby it help, I have no idea at this point, I've spent too long on it and I should probably start over but sunk cost and all that.
19:57 < thrig> the next question might be what is the filter argument set to
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19:59 < MaddieKalan> thrig: Huh?
19:59  * MaddieKalan reads man
20:00 < MaddieKalan> When undefined as it it is in that command, the default is objectClass=*
20:01 < MaddieKalan> I also tried dc=* just now.  Same error.
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20:53 < el> any idea if i'm going to have to do anything particular for the upgrade to weechat 4
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21:01 < fro> dunno why you'd ask in here
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21:05 < avemestr> el: Doesn't seem like it. A pkg_add -u is probably all you need.
21:06 < avemestr> el: And a sysupgrade before obviously.
21:09 < Albright> Having issues with HTTP authentication with httpd. I created the htpasswd file and added it to httpd's config and properly get prompted for the password, but when I try to enter it authentication always fails even when I'm 100% sure it's entered correctly
21:10 < Albright> Nothing interesting is being logged that I can tell. What should I check next?
21:11 < avemestr> Albright: Do you use the username listed in the password file or the one listed in httpd.conf? They can be different.
21:11 < avemestr> Albright: And it ought to work, if you use the username from the password file.
21:12 < Albright> avemestr: I'm using the one from htpasswd. I don't see how you would put the username in httpd.conf
21:13 < avemestr> Ah, yes, it's realm being specified (optionally) in httpd.conf.
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21:21 < Albright> Aha, figured it out
21:22 < avemestr> What was the issue?
21:22 < Albright> The docs says the htpasswd location is relative to the chroot. I thought that meant relative to the root of the virtual server I wanted to use it on but actually it was relative to /var/www
21:22 < avemestr> Ah yes, a classic.
21:22 < avemestr> Einstein was already onto it, when he said "everything is relative"!
21:23 < Albright> Still, I wish httpd had been spitting out a "you specified an htconfig file but I can't read it" error somewhere
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21:27 < mischief> maybe it would if you pass extra -d or -v flags :)
21:29 < Albright> Ah, maybe. I'm using rcctl so not starting it directly
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21:30 < thrig> directly with debug flags and not forking into the background is typical for debugging web servers
21:30 < Albright> Will keep that in mind if I have future issues but I think I'm done with config for now, thankfully
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21:36 < terr> [04:45] (IcePic) http://www.allsold.ca/ubiquiti-erlite-3-edge-lite-desktop-router-black-22884
21:37 < terr> I called them.  They are holding and now I needvto figure out what it does
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21:39 < terr> \dev\nulla
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23:14 < vortexx> el: I use weechat, and I'm on 7.4 having compiled everything myself. I didn't have to do anything else than pkg_add -u 
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23:35 < terr> [04:45] (IcePic) http://www.allsold.ca/ubiquiti-erlite-3-edge-lite-desktop-router-black-22884
23:36 < terr> I don't know yet.  They are holding it for me.
23:38 < terr> I am looking for a server and I run dual.  Nextvis that I am looking to upgrade and my upstream is incompetent
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