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05:04 < rnkn> what's a good way to get perl inside httpd chroot? I've seen a method mounting the perl5 paths as nfs
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08:24 < zyxer> Hi. I found some thing called xenocara, but I can't find any package or more info about it. All I find is this outdated site https://xenocara.org/
08:25 < zyxer> Is it just xorg in OpenBSD? 
08:25 < schillingklaus> a fork of xorg, with aits own build concept
08:26 < zyxer> How do I use it instead of xorg?
08:26 < avemestr> It happens automatically.
08:26 < schillingklaus> if you install the x package, you get xenocara
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08:26 < zyxer> or is it included in base install if you tick the X box?
08:26 < zyxer> Oh
08:26 < zyxer> Ok that's why I found no xenocara package
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08:28 < avemestr> 36 hours since somebody last did something to xenocara: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/xenocara/
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08:29 < zyxer> Thanks, the xenocara website has outdated cvs link
08:30 < quinq> Is Xenocara developped by Elon Musk?
08:30 < renaud>  a xenocara is a fish
08:30 < schillingklaus> is puffy a xenocara?
08:31 < renaud> quite useful in an aquarium to clean the glass
08:31 < quinq> Is Elon Musk a fish?
08:31 < renaud> Elon Musk is indeed probably a phish
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08:32 < schillingklaus> the tesla fish is rotting from the head down
08:32 < renaud> kidding apart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenocara
08:33 < rnkn> does Elon Musk like fishsticks?
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09:05 < avemestr> I've always found there was something fishy about that guy.
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10:11 < unpx> I wonder what does it mean that `zerothread' is using 90% of my CPUs (OpenBSD7.3)
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10:19 < dlg> it'll be using 90% of one cpu
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10:20 < dlg> when the kernel allocates memory for a program, that memory is cleared first
10:20 < dlg> the zerothread is busy scrubbing memory
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10:57 < unpx> Trying to understand why an sshd flood was choking my machine
11:02 < unpx> I was seeing a lot of @ in systat. Tried to halt programs one by one. Even tmux was going crazy. Fixed broken tmux config (statusbar trying to source file that didn't exist). Then sshd was the only thing left. Tried to close new connection from remote relayd ssh forwarding. After reloading remote relayd it stopped being a problem to sshd.
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12:05 < solene> what/join #scuttlebutt
12:05 < solene> oops :D
12:05 < il> lol
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12:57 < tercaL> Any idea why OpenBSD doesn't come with/include the Let's Encrypt ca bundle/root, into /etc/ssl/cert.pem? Any specific reason, I wonder?
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12:59 < xse> what's the usecase for including that ?
13:00 < xse> (as-in it doesn't seem to be an issue to look at websites that use letsencrypt)
13:02 < xse> whether it's creating certificates (acme-client) or just using them (anything ssl i guess) i did not run into the "must add specific cert in specific place"
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14:00 < lts> Let's Encrypt's CA is ISRG which are in the bundle. See https://letsencrypt.org/certificates/
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14:17 < MaddieKalan> ldap related question: How do I know whitch objectclass is being used? There are multiple objectclasses but with different requirements, I only want to use my own objectclass.
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15:45 < grawity> let's say I want to compile a small program to run on openbsd 4.x -- do I need to compile it *on* openbsd 4.x as well, or will more recent systems work too?
15:46 < grawity> (yeah i know it's a bit ancient but it's running on an equally ancient platform)
15:47 < thrig> libc might be a little different
15:51 < grawity> hmm tbh I'll probably just get a larger CF card so that the compiler set would fit on it directly
15:51 < jmcunx> Maybe try a static linking ?
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16:09 < phy1729> That's at least before the time_t bump. I'd compile on right version.
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16:21 < Filystyn> libc likely 100% will break on any version. I recompile all stuff always
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16:22 < Filystyn> unless you statically link libc i guess
16:25 < Filystyn> eventually messing with elf meaby ???  but i am not sure never tried that and it sounds like bad idea
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19:03 < AlaskanEmily> I have an old CPIO archive that has an issue. None of the directories have write permissions, and I believe this is causing the extract operation to fail since it creates the directory and then can't create files in it. Is there a way to override permissions on the output of CPIO? 
19:09 < jmcunx> how old ? see man coip(1), maybe switch -c and/or -6 ?
19:09 < jmcunx> cpio(1) I mean :)
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19:17 < AlaskanEmily> Old means like 10 years old, so I don't have access to what it was made from anymore to fix this that way.
19:17 < AlaskanEmily> Not a format issue
19:17 < AlaskanEmily> I did figure something out, I was able to extract as root and then chown + chmod it to something reasonable.
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22:44 < jrmu> How well does openbsd work as an access point? Are there any wifi devices that work well for this purpose?
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22:57 < zyxer> jrmu
22:58 < zyxer> Yes absolutely, more proper guides on setting up OpenBSD router than there are on setting up linux servers (keyword: Proper)
22:59 < jrmu> I know openbsd routers will work well but I'm a bit worried about wifi support, I heard there were not many devices that will work as an access point
23:00 < quinq> jrmu, didn't have much luck with AR9280/apu2
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23:00 < quinq> It works as an AP, but the signal is very weak
23:00 < zyxer> I have OpenBSD router but apparently I am too tibfoil hat for this community (but not too much to make fun of) and I run vanilla OpenBSD router and with all the documentation for whatever, OpenBSD is the only OS I feel comfortable with setting up router with wifi
23:01 < zyxer> jrmu: What hardware?
23:01 < quinq> zyxer, what hardware?
23:01 < jrmu> thanks for both of your input. I'm not sure about hardware yet, researching at the moment
23:01 < zyxer> OpenBSD has... Well compared to penguin bad hardware support but it is still decent.
23:02 < zyxer> quinq: I use APU4(I think it is 4, all APUx should support OprnBSD with wifi)
23:02 < quinq> (it depends on the wifi card you put in…)
23:03 < zyxer> If I am not mistaken APUXs use hardware that should be OpenBSD compatible
23:03 < xse> jrmu: that discussion happened a few days ago iirc it's basically doable with the right hostap supported driver (they don't all do that) but do not expect it being fast, recommandation being to get a separate wifi AP one of those where you plug ethernet into
23:03 < zyxer> Wat
23:04 < zyxer> APUX company should only ship with wifi-chips that have OpenBSD compatible chips. Yes double check me, I may have been naive and the producer is not as compstible as my impression makes it out to be
23:05 < vortexx> jrmu: the usual recommendation is not to use OpenBSD as the AP because it doesn't support newer standards so throughput is 2002 like. It's best to buy an AP and just plug it via ethernet to the router
23:05 < zyxer> I don't have wifi on router, but I changed laptop wifi chip, and APU producers market the routers as OpenBSD compatible
23:06 < zyxer> vortexx: Afaik that is due to the company not offering software support
23:06 < vortexx> zyxer: that's the bemoan for much hardware
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23:06 < zyxer> I mailed them and the only reason they gave me to not use their hardware was that I had less than 10 years experience of OpenBSD
23:07 < vortexx> I have an APU1 in service that does have a wifi card in it playing at wifi but the speed is about 6Mbps
23:07 < zyxer> they gave me recomendation not*
23:07 < vortexx> zyxer: fundamentally it's pretty easy to use an APUx as a router
23:07 < vortexx> you can even flash the firmware now (we couldn't when it came out, for lack of the flashrom program)
23:08 < zyxer> vortexx: If you installed it yourself, try to use OpenBSD router, good documentation, and worst case reinstall it with pfsense or whatever you used
23:08 < vortexx> athn0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Atheros AR928X" rev 0x01: apic 5 int 0
23:08 < vortexx> athn0: AR9280 rev 2 (2T2R), ROM rev 22, address 04:f0:21:10:c1:92
23:09 < vortexx> zyxer: I've been using APUs since they came out, and was a betatester for OpenBSD on them
23:10 < vortexx> in my current setup I've got an APU6 with the SFP port connected for gigabit internet (which doesn't run at that speed on this hw) and another fibre connection that runs via an ISP router which I do multipath routing / load balancing on
23:11 < zyxer> vortexx: My bad, responded to wrong person. Just attendet wedding
23:11 < vortexx> all good
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23:22 < jrmu> are the APUs still being manufactured?
23:22 < il> jrmu, amd has a few
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23:23 < il> my cpu is an apu, actually, on my pc
23:23 < il> 5600g
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23:25 < vortexx> jrmu: the PC Engines APU series is EOL now
23:25 < vortexx> try and Odroid H3 if you need fanless hw as a router
23:25 < jak3b> Hello
23:26 < jrmu> ah, yeah that's what I remember. Sad to hear, OK will do some more searching
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23:26 < jak3b> I have an issue with current Im trying to work out
23:26 < jak3b> Ive run current for years on this same hardware with no problems
23:27 < oldlaptop> il: "apu" around here has normally meant https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm
23:27 < jak3b> but starting back when they introduced the AMD microcode its been happening
23:28 < il> oldlaptop, ah, idk what that is
23:28 < oldlaptop> rather perversely the CPUs (which *are* related to cat-core APUs) have the iGPU fused off
23:28 < il> lol
23:28 < oldlaptop> while in production apu2 was more or less the premier choice for an openbsd router
23:29 < vortexx> so long as you didn't need speeds above 400Mbps
23:29 < oldlaptop> (I'd say it's still an excellent idea if and while you can get them)
23:29 < il> lol
23:29 < il> my internet at home (here) is 650mbps, though
23:29 < il> and I only have 3 devices connected to it, total
23:29 < il> dunno if i need a dedicated router
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23:30 < jak3b> I have an Athlon X4 cpu and amd 560rx graphics card
23:31 < vortexx> depends on what you do... if you have stuff that needs netboot, having your own router is nice. Same for blocking ads via DNS (like the pihole) and things like that. Also as a VPN concentrator so you can VPN home
23:31 < jak3b> if I run Firefox or any GTK or QT program after 5 to 10 minutes the system freezes and completely locks up, no keyboard cant ssh in
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23:35 < oldlaptop> jak3b: sendbug is *probably* a better idea than IRC for that (though it may be a good idea to try and rule out hardware problems). a dmesg would be *very* important.
23:37 < jak3b> yea, Im stumped, Yesterday I reinstalled clean, didnt modify anything no smt, didnt change login.conf, and it was great for several hours
23:37 < jak3b> then today it started again
23:38 < oldlaptop> I would try a believed-good OpenBSD version, and probably also a completely different OS, to see if anything changes.
23:38 < oldlaptop> (Watching interrupts in systat might be a good idea)
23:39 < jak3b> I tried Freebsd and several linux distros and no problems
23:39 < jak3b> I tested the memory and the drives
23:39 < jak3b> no problems with either
23:42 < jak3b> thanks oldlaptop
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