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00:12 < PyR3X> I copied /etc/rc.d/httpd to /etc/rc.d/httpd_test and made the flag -f /etc/httpd_test.conf -- during bootup it lists it as starting as a package daemon but upon 'rcctl ls failed' it lists it. Starting it via 'rcctl start httpd_test' always works fine. Why is this not starting at bootup?
00:15 < vortexx> PyR3X: it'd be easier to just add to rc.conf.local httpd_flags=-f /etc/httpd_test.conf
00:15 < vortexx> then restart httpd
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01:24 < vortexx> mh nginx 1.25 includes HTTP/3 support... Maybe in 7.5 packages ?
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07:19 < lts> Didn't http/3 have a serious protocol level vulnerability just recently?
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07:28 < quinq> Bah, regular “let's make it stateless and fast — Oh wait, now the ugly model is actually not very secure”
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07:49 < lts> Sounds like io_uring
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07:53 < Posterdati> hi
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07:55 < IcePic> lts: http/2 had one "fast reset" that helped DoS attacks
07:56 < IcePic> https://blog.cloudflare.com/zero-day-rapid-reset-http2-record-breaking-ddos-attack/
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08:00 < lts> "HTTP/3 (likely also vulnerable)"
08:00 < lts> Fun
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08:47 < tercaL> Are these the official 7.4 releases? https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/amd64/
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08:58 < avemestr> tercaL: The official release takes place on monday.
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09:39 < Posterdati> does sysupgrade work for 7.4 right now?
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09:51 < rnkn> still perl 5.36, huh
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10:51 < tercaL> Anyone here familiar with "lego" the Let's Encrypt client?
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11:31 < unpx> tercaL: I suggest you to read acme-client(1), acme-client.conf(5) and eventually look up for a tutorial online.
11:32 < unpx> avemestr: Shall I wait on monday (which TZ?) or can I already upgrade?
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13:15 < jmcunx> unpx: I will probably wait a few days to avoid the rush.
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14:57 < unpx> jmcunx: oki
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15:05 < PyR3X> vortexx: I'm trying to run multiple httpd's that's the purpose for the second rc.d script
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15:12 < vortexx> PyR3X: ok then add a httpd_test_flags=-f /etc/httpd_test.conf to /etc/rc.conf.local
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15:38 < Filystyn> oneday oneday!
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16:05 < yj2> terr: acme-client is built in and easy https://romanzolotarev.com/openbsd/acme-client.html
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16:16 < vortexx> the only problem with acme-client is it doesn't do wildcard certs
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16:18 < zyxer> Isn't it super easy to DDoS them if they allow wildcards?
16:18 < zyxer> also, what would it limit?
16:18 < zyxer> test*.com would have infinite possibillities
16:18 < xse> nah it's like *.example.org
16:19 < xse> it uses another endpoint with different verification checks iirc
16:19 < zyxer> What?
16:19 < zyxer> just do example.org
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16:19 < zyxer> You don't get cert for subdomain
16:19 < quinq> lel
16:20 < zyxer> example.org cert is valid for *.example.org
16:20 < quinq> nope
16:20 < zyxer> Wat
16:20 < quinq> And foo.bar.example.com isn't valid either for *.example.com
16:20 < zyxer> I only ever needed one cert for my domain, 
16:20 < quinq> (well, the opposite)
16:21 < quinq> zyxer, that's because nobody uses them, then :)
16:21 < zyxer> I have used them? Or what do you mean?
16:22 < zyxer> Make record to route *.example.org to example.org
16:22 < zyxer> Then reverse proxy
16:22 < quinq> I think you're mixing several things
16:22 < zyxer> Maybe
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16:29 < xse> yeah that's it the usual .well-known http challenge isn't compatible with wildcards, the dns challenge works but is harder to automate as not everyone does dns/not every dns provider implements the rfcXXXX automation thing
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17:06 < vortexx> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade74.html the upgrade guide has landed!
17:07 < vortexx> (not too much change this release, although it doesn't mention that softdep is deprecated...)
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17:13 < quinq> !
17:13 < quinq> Nothing to remove this release
17:13 < quinq> :(
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17:18 < solene> quinq: yeah, I've been sad too when reading the upgrade guide
17:18 < solene> but softdeps are gone :-)
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17:25 < quinq> Hola solene :)
17:27 < vortexx> you can't tedu bits of the OS every six months, there'd be nothing left after a while :P
17:27 < il> How many columns would you say your terminal usually fits?
17:27 < thrig> 80
17:28 < il> You don't go full screen?
17:28 < solene> il: my terminal fits between 2 Doric columns, by laaaarge
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17:29 < il> nerd reference
17:29 < quinq> 80 is natural limit law
17:29 < thrig> there are usually four xterms. sometimes I do one with a big font, so columns there might be in the 50-90 range
17:29 < il> I don't think the romans had a standard distance between differently styles columns, though
17:29 < il> thrig, no tmux?
17:30 < quinq> tmux is for remote or console usage
17:30 < il> I use tmux for everything
17:30 < thrig> you were asking about terminals, not what runs in them
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17:31 < il> thrig, if you're running tmux with multiple panes in it, having a terminal that's wider than 80 columns is more usable, that's why i'm asking
17:31 < quinq> So using tmux is mostly useful with terminals > 80 cols
17:31 < thrig> I never use multiple panes in tmux
17:33 < il> I usually set my font size so that I have 240 columns or so on a full screen terminal, in which I use tmux
17:34 < il> but I'm zoomed in now, using my laptop at a larger distance than usual, so now I'm down to 150 columns, I'm curious about how big other people keep their font size
17:36 < solene> il: font size rule, make them readable for your eyes
17:36 < il> solene, it depends on the distance
17:37 < il> and dpi
17:37 < solene> yes, that's why I said "readable" :D that dependent of your eye, distance and dpi indeed
17:37 < solene> depending on what there is in the terminal, if it only has wrapped content, I reduce it and run another terminal
17:37 < solene> or just a big terminal with tmux in it
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20:42 < MaddieKalan> Sorry its not that a specific question but /usr/ports/databases/lualdap/Makefile contains a link to luaforge.net but going to http://luaforge.net gives me a page that says the domain is for sale, what do I do?
20:43 < quinq> Buy it!!
20:43 < il> ahahah
20:45 < phy1729> The project keeps a backup copy of distfiles, but I'd probably try and find another upstream and patch the port or if it's just dead email the list proposing deletion.
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20:46 < MaddieKalan> Its annoying, I was going to update it to use lua5.3 but the links basically dead, I have no idea where else to find the source code, kepler (link in same file) is also 404ing.
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20:47 < phy1729> Did you want to use the port?
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20:47 < quinq> Well, there's that https://lualdap.github.io/lualdap/
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20:48 < MaddieKalan> phy1729: Hmm?
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20:52 < MaddieKalan> I'll look up a porting guide for the new version.  Thank you!
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22:36 < begriffs> Why do daemons typically get both their own user and their own group? Wouldn't a new user alone be enough?
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22:40 < bountyht> What user would you give to them?
22:41 < bountyht> s/user/daemon/
22:41 < bountyht> Argh, I meant which group would you assign to them
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22:43 < il> begriffs, research user-private groups. It's not a obsd specific concept.
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22:52 < begriffs> Thanks, I'll look at that
22:54 < il> also, having a user that doesn't belong to any group isn't possible, I think.
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23:12 < il> I ran the unix and linux system administration handbook through a summarizer and tried to ask it about this specific topic. Here's the result of that: https://0x0.st/H47h.png
23:13 < il> I guess begriffs has already left, though.
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23:51 < vortexx> il: yeah that's pretty accurate except on OpenBSD users start at 1000 not 500
23:53 < oldlaptop> those gs are terrible
23:53 < il> hah, it's a kagi g
23:54 < il> http://0x0.st/H4ho.png
23:56 < oldlaptop> As a more general matter, it'd be pretty foolish to rely on a generative-AI "summary" of a nonspecific resource for how to define users and groups on any specific system, OpenBSD or otherwise
23:56 < oldlaptop> (its advice would be wrong on most linux systems I've seen too)
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23:56 < il> it's not generative-ai, it's a summarizer
23:57 < il> it doesn't use any data other than the resource you provide it
23:57 < il> if you ask something that's outside of the provided corpus, it tells you it can't answer
23:57 < il> the edition of that book i found is from 2010, so some advice could be over a decade out of date
23:58 < il> also it didn't give any advice, just short points there
23:58 < oldlaptop> Whatever you decide to call this particular AI that generates text does not much change the point
23:59 < il> Okay, to be more constructive
23:59 < il> What is wrong there, specifically what is wrong on most linux systems
23:59 < oldlaptop> <vortexx> il: yeah that's pretty accurate except on OpenBSD users start at 1000 not 500
23:59 < il> that's the only thing that's not accurate?
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