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01:20 < vortexx> after 48 hours of release it seems like this has been a pretty smooth upgrade for the average user here
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01:32 < fro> vortexx: hey sorry about yesterday btw
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01:33 < fro> also yes
01:33 < fro> seems that way
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01:39 < vortexx> fro: it's ok, people misunderstand each other on a regular basis on irc, it's all good
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01:54 < reticuli> I upgraded via sysupgrade, sysmerge -d, pkg_add -Uu and even rebooted but it still stays 7.3 when I login
01:56 < reticuli> could it be because when I installed openbsd originally I skipped games, X11, etc?
02:00 < reticuli> /home/_sysupgrade is empty
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02:03 < ssm_> reticuli: what's `sysctl kern.osrelease` have to say for itself?
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02:07 < fro> reticuli: did you actually see it run the upgrade after it reboots from sysupgrade?
02:07 < fro> just making sure
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02:11 < pwr> since upgrading to 7.4 I'm experiencing CPU stuck at 100% requiring a forced restart; how should I go about troubleshooting this?
02:12 < pwr> I know the approximate time the CPU shot up, had a look in /var/log/messages and /var/log/daemon but nothing stood out
02:12 < codermattie> top?
02:13 < pwr> only problem is once I restart the CPU is back at idle
02:14 < ssm_> apm -A's default now, huh
02:14 < pwr> I had mosh logged in with top running but the problem occured at 4am last night
02:15 < codermattie> pwr: you could write a bash script with a infinite loop to do a ps every 5 seconds or so and append to a log file
02:15 < oldlaptop> pwr: systat may be important also (interrupt storm?)
02:15 < reticuli> is it possible to install sets after installation? like games?
02:16 < pwr> codermattie: that's a good idea, thanks
02:16 < codermattie> pwr: np
02:16 < pwr> oldlaptop: what's an interrupt storm?
02:16 < oldlaptop> reticuli: Yes - and sysupgrade does so by itself
02:16 < phy1729> reticuli:  https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeeded   but sysupgrade installs them all anyway
02:16 < oldlaptop> pwr: Some piece of hardware goes nuts and swamps the kernel with interrupts.
02:17 < codermattie> oldlaptop: doesnt openbsd switch to polling?
02:17 < oldlaptop> (or the kernel otherwise becomes swamped by interrupts, somehow)
02:18 < oldlaptop> codermattie: I don't know offhand what, if anything, OpenBSD's kernel does to mitigate interrupt storms. It's not a particularly easy problem.
02:19 < vortexx> reticuli: yes all you need to do is cd / and tar xzf the sets if you really need them again
02:20 < phy1729> vortexx: that isn't supported and you missed p and h
02:20 < codermattie> Well I must say Im loving 7.4 because my iwx PHY bug got fixed
02:21 < codermattie> still using the 7.1 artwork as my background though, its definitely my fav
02:21 < reticuli> Thanks, I'm on 7.3 without X11 or games but sysupgrade is rebooting but not upgrading for some reason, it's a headless apu2d I have and I don't even think I have a console cable....
02:22 < reticuli> I was hoping maybe sysupgrade was refusing to work because of me not having all the sets but it looks like something else is amiss
02:22 < oldlaptop> The next troubleshooting step would probably be "get a console", unfortunately
02:22 < codermattie> reticuli: are you using ssh to run sysupgrade?
02:22 < oldlaptop> (but you really need to be able to do that anyway)
02:22 < reticuli> codermattie: I am
02:23 < reticuli> let me dig through my box of cables that started from the 80s and see if I got something
02:23 < codermattie> reticuli: I want your box of cables
02:24 < pwr> codermattie: what about if I just do a cron job that calls ps -aux every 5 mins, 100% CPU isn't gonna prevent cron/mail yeah?
02:24 < codermattie> pwr: depends, if its some process that would work
02:24 < reticuli> codermattie: it keeps growing...
02:24 < oldlaptop> Depending on what the problem is, it very well *could* completely incapacitate the system.
02:24 < codermattie> pwr: if it is a kernel internal like a stuck spinlock it wont be obvious
02:25 < codermattie> pwr: its just easy to try a script, if its harder you might really have some work to figure it out
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02:26 < codermattie> pwr: if the shell script doesnt point the finger, then try switching to the non MP kernel and see if it goes away
02:27 < pwr> sorry what is the non-MP kernel?
02:27 < codermattie> I dont know it's name, MP is the multi-processor kernel, there is a single processor kernel on the system too
02:28 < pwr> ah okay
02:28 < codermattie> pwr: I think openBSD defaults to MP
02:28 < codermattie> pwr: if the single process kernel works its a kernel bug
02:28 < pwr> bugs in OpenBSD? surely you jest
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02:30 < codermattie> pwr: lol, there are so many threading bugs in C I'd rather cut off my leg than debug kernel threading code
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02:31 < pwr> okay I have both the cron job and a script logging in a loop... the trap is set, now we wait
02:32 < codermattie> pwr: make sure you have a lot of disk space, or have it stop after X iterations
02:32 < pwr> it's only running every 15 minutes
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02:38 < vortexx> phy1729: true, unsupported but it works, and yeah xzphf
02:38 < phy1729> or just point to the faq and the documented way to do it
02:38 < vortexx> I've done it a number of times when I made /usr/X11R6 too small and had to repartition
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02:44 < reticuli> no idea if you guys saw my last message because I got a disconnect right after
02:44 < codermattie> dont think so
02:44 < reticuli> but it seems as though it doesn't want to boot this new kernel
02:44 < reticuli> I did chmod u+x /bsd.upgrade then rebooted and it says "Detected /bsd.upgrade, using that" then it does something then reboots but then I get the same /bsd.upgrade is not u+x error all over
02:44 < reticuli> I read that it means the kernel did try to boot it (it removes the x bit) but the kernel didn't load
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02:50 < vortexx> reticuli: you're not using chflags on the kernel are you?
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02:54 < reticuli> vortexx: I'm not sure if I am, how would I check?
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02:55 < reticuli> /bsd{,.booted} are box 0700 if that's what you mean?
02:56 < reticuli> s/box/both/
02:57 < thrig> man ls | col -bx | perl -00 -nle 'print if m/chfl/'
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03:00 < pwr> what's a healthy number of interrupts? I'm at ~200 now
03:02 < reticuli> http://sprunge.us/KHnfRw for chflags on /bsd*
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03:08 < codermattie> night fellas
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03:10 < reticuli> in short no chflags
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03:26 < reticuli> I removed /bsd.upgrade rebooted with com0 attached and it looked to have no problems upgrading
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03:36 < begriffs> I want to to serve two very different directories using httpd. Thus it seems I have to set 'chroot /' so it can see them both. Is there a way to unveil it more precisely?
03:37 < thrig> move both under the chroot and link them from elsewhere, or, NFS
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03:50 < dayid> begriffs: what thrig said, alternatively do something hacky and run more than 1 httpd and thus more than one chroot....
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03:56 < begriffs> Thanks, good ideas. Doing a symlink sounds smart
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04:56 < begriffs> where does slowcgi log by default? I'm getting a 500 server error
04:56 < pwr> begriffs: /var/www/logs
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04:57 < begriffs> Hm, the error.log file is empty there
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05:29 < begriffs> ah /var/log/daemon has the details
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05:40 < avemestr> thrig: Rob Pike on colors: "Syntax highlighting is juvenile. When I was a child, I was taught arithmetic using colored rods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisenaire_rods). I grew up and today I use monochromatic numerals."
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05:45 < quinq> So Rob Pike do agree that colors are useful
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05:51 < avemestr> I think people should use what suits them best. It's just a funny quote (except that somebody of course took offence https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/hJHCAaiL0so/m/E2mQ1RDiio8J).
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06:00 < quinq> Of course somebody on the internet did ^^
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06:05 < tercaL> Good morning
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06:16 < pwr> nothing like a cron email every fifteen minutes to make you appreciate the fleetingness of time
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06:20 < IcePic> avemestr: I found it somewhat fun actually
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08:50 < pwr> if a process has a memory leak, is that likely to lead to 100% cpu usage?
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08:51 < pwr> because my investigations from before point to gotwebd eating up MEM but not CPU
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08:53 < CosmicDJ> pwr: why do you think allocating RAM is having a effect on the CPU usage?
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08:59 < op2> pwr: yup, leaking memory may lead to high cpu usage
09:00 < op2> i've never looked deeply, but malloc ends up with many allocations and spends a considerable amount of time in free and allocating new chunks then
09:00 < op2> but what issue are you having with gotwebd?
09:02 < pwr> after upgrading to 7.4 my VPS has eventually become unresponsive with 100% CPU usage
09:02 < pwr> so I set up a script and cron to run ps -aux at 15 min intervals
09:04 < pwr> after the most recent 100% death spiral I looked at the last ps log and the only anomaly was gotweb using 34% of MEM
09:04 < op2> oh, that's weird.  i remember seeing gotwebd eating a lot of resources in the past but recently not
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09:05 < op2> (on my instance with 6 days of uptime it's sitting at ~100M of usage)
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09:05 < op2> anything particular about your configuration / setup?
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09:06 < op2> when gotwebd was using 34% of memory, how much cpu was using?  or, 100% was gotwebd usage or the total usage?
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09:06 < op2> also, how much memory is 34%?
09:07 < pwr> 512MB total so ~ 174MB
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09:08 < pwr> but CPU column at time of death still says 0.0
09:08 < op2> are you able to see the kernel output on the serial too?
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09:11 < op2> IIRC the kernel has some issues with swapping that can lead to a deadlock
09:11 < pwr> there's a serial console yes, but I've restarted the vps now so it's back to like 4% cpu usage
09:12 < pwr> deadlock like 100% cpu usage?
09:12 < pwr> I'm hoping this is just gotwebd so I can disable it and not worry
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09:16 < op2> well, if you can take a look at the serial if that happens again
09:17 < pwr> just run ps?
09:17 < op2> see also: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=168856974929628&w=2
09:18 < op2> pwr: i mean in addition if the box 'hangs' again take a look at its serial before restarting
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09:23 < Lucas6023> pwr: you can also try mpi's patch. I have great hopes to it, but haven't gotten around to shrink my vps to ease the testing of it.
09:25 < pwr> Lucas6023: mpi's patch?
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09:25 < Lucas6023> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=169754075809471&w=2 this one
09:25 < pwr> thanks
09:26 < Lucas6023> from a very quick read of the backlog, you're running into a similar issue to that of my Got mirror
09:26 < Lucas6023> also, the super dirty fix is to have a crontab restarting gotwebd every a couple of hours
09:27 < pwr> yeah I'm going to leave gotwebd disabled and see if it happens again tonight; if not I think that's the issue
09:27 < Lucas6023> ( sorry op2 :p )
09:27 < pwr> I don't have a huge need for gotwebd
09:27 < op2> Lucas6023: so it actually still leaks?
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09:28 < Lucas6023> idk if "leak" is the right word. There is always a lot of gotwebd process. afaiu that's by design.
09:28 < Lucas6023> "a lot" = 30-40
09:29 < pwr> I was just getting ~15 before the "hang"
09:29 < op2> the got-read-packs.. yes, mostly.  stsp has ideas to improve in that front but it takes some time
09:29 < op2> friendly reminder to repack your repos however (and this does not apply to got alone, although git does that automatically sometimes...)
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10:32 < nacelle> hello folks
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10:33 < nacelle> I upgraded a 7.3 box to 7.4, now my wireguard peers refuse to talk (Invalid handshake initiation)... yet the key files didnt change, nor did the client.  Any ideas?
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10:57 < nacelle> ah ha, the old !/usr/local/bin/wg setconf ... trick doesnt work anymore, using native ifconfig did
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10:58 < nacelle> someone should probably properly document that in the upgrade guide if not errata if thats the thing.
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12:24 < Lucas6023> nacelle: I know that '!command' in hostname.if still works. What you might have experienced can be related to just-upgraded system + not-upgraded packages. I'm quite sure your file will work after a 'pkg_add -u' and reboot.
12:24 < Lucas6023> for when they is back.
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13:31 < moviuro> hmmm, I need dhcpcd do reach Internet and get pkg upgrades once i complete my update to 7.4. If dhcpcd for 7.3 doesn't run properly on 7.4, I'm screwed. What would be the safe way of upgrading? Caching all packages for 7.4 locally? How would I do that?
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13:46 < brynet> moviuro: dhcpcd has no dependencies, so you could just prefetch the 7.4 package.
13:46 < brynet> WANTLIB += c
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13:51 < moviuro> brynet: pkg_add dhcpcd # should work if the package is right there in $CWD then?
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14:01 < brynet> moviuro: PKG_PATH=. pkg_add -u dhcpcd
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14:02 < moviuro> sounds good, see you in a minute
14:03 < moviuro> (famous last words)
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14:08 < moviuro> hello again
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16:15 < vortexx> things you learn from reading misc@... ldd no longer works for setuid/setgid executables, but objdump -p does if you need to find what libraries the program depends on
16:18 < thrig> public reminder that ldd may execute arbitrary code
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16:25 < vortexx> thrig: Theo brought that up in the discussion
16:25 < thrig> but people forget and then run ldd when a user complains that their code isn't working and what hey local exploit
16:26 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=169763250404651&w=2
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16:42 < deltahotel> how to activate Elantech touchpad with new "ietp" driver?
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16:47 < vortexx> deltahotel: is it detected in dmesg?
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16:50 < deltahotel> vortex: yes but not configured
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17:03 < vortexx> deltahotel: you means in dmesg it says not configured or you can't find how to configure it? It should work out of the box if detected properly
17:04 < vortexx> (sorry I don't have this hw and haven't dealt with touchpad stuff in years)
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17:06 < pardis> protip: you can bypass the Spanish inquisition by simply posting your entire dmesg for people to look at
17:06 < deltahotel> vortexx: dmesg says not configured
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17:07 < pardis> if dmesg says not configured, no driver is attaching for that device, so it is unsupported
17:07 < deltahotel> sorry my laptop are not with me now
17:09 < deltahotel> pardis: ok :-(
17:10 < deltahotel> no wifi no mouse... :-(
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17:11 < deltahotel> I wonder how I manage to love this os
17:13 < deltahotel> don't want to go back to linux
17:14 < anthon4> Hello, I have a Toshiba Portege Z30-C laptop, there was Windows on it. I just installed OpenBSD 7.4. All works fine
17:14 < anthon4> except, sometime I get a prompt ddb
17:14 < anthon4> this is randomely.
17:14 < thrig> run memcheck on it?
17:14 < uwharrie> AMD GPU?
17:15 < thrig> memtest? memtest.
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17:16 < anthon4> Below the dmesg: https://pastebin.com/0QNUY3xF
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17:17 < anthon4> I think there an Intel graphic card as I have inteldrm firmware installed
17:17 < anthon4> How can I enable com0 to be able to collect the output from ddb command line?
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17:19 < uwharrie> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq7.html#SerCon
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17:34 < Zyxer> Updated to 7.4, updated UEFI as well so I could upgrade CPU and also added more RAM
17:35 < thrig> got 8G here and no idea what to do with it
17:36 < Zyxer> Yea well I was given 32GB because boomer father wanted new RAM for his laptop, but yea the ones he bought was for desktop lmao
17:36 < Zyxer> Otherwise I never used over around 300mb on my server
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17:43 < vortexx> thrig: try running one browser that doesn't accept cookies by default and another forgets the session after closing, that'll use your ram up
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17:44 < thrig> w3m doesn't use much memory, nor does amfora
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17:46 < Posterdati> hi
17:46 < Posterdati> is anyone experienced sockets problem in 7.4?
17:47 < Posterdati> I've got this form hunchentoot webserver -> [2023-10-18 12:39:52 [ERROR]] Wake-for-shutdown connect failed: Condition USOCKET:INVALID-ARGUMENT-ERROR was signalled.
17:47 < Posterdati> it worked on 7.3 with no problem
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17:57 < vortexx> updated my script that finds which binaries use a library to use objdump instead of ldd
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19:08 < kn> ldd no longer seems *that* bad on openbsd since it pledges with "stdio" execpromises
19:09 < kn> "stdio rpath" even
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20:14 < z3bra> Hi there! I started the sysupgrade process, and the last line on the console is "syncing disks..."
20:15 < z3bra> It's been stuck there for 10mn, and I'm considering a hard reboot
20:17 < fro> that's what i would do but maybe wait a couple more minutes for someone competent to say something :D
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20:19 < z3bra> It's not like I have any other choice anyway…
20:20 < quinq> Try gently nudging it a few times, with increased kinetic energy applied each time
20:20 < fro> maybe try shaking it
20:21 < xse> maybe you have a tiny "disk activity" LED on the machine to look at
20:21 < z3bra> nah it's a remote server (but bare metal)
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20:26 < z3bra> don't rent servers @scaleway
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20:29 < z3bra> it survived apparently :)
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20:47 < fro> that's good
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21:20 < armin> :)
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21:39 < ssm_> had a nasty kernel panic (some assert in multithreaded code, of course), lot of stuff in lost+found
21:39 < ssm_> s/code/& on resume from suspend
21:40 < ssm_> weirdly when I kernel panic during resume, my filesystems are still marked clean the next boot, which then promtly leads to a panic in ffs code
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21:42 < ssm_> think this isn't a 7.4 specific bug, it just happens occassionally 
21:44 < ssm_> suspend just never works good anywhere, huh
21:44 < ssm_> I haven't dabbled in acpi stuff personally, but I hear it's not fun
21:48 < ssm_> as usual, the best form of suspend is a big external battery pack and halt -p otherwise
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21:58 < Bradipo> I never use suspend/resume.
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22:18 < uwharrie> I've given up on it as well
22:20 < fro> never had an issue with it
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22:32 < codermattie> I made a apm script that was halt -p so when I close the lid it shuts down clean
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22:37 < ssm_> codermattie: doesn't work well if you want to retain your session; that's the only thing
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22:39 < codermattie> ssm_: I have a framework laptop with the system image on a usb drive, so suspend/resume will never work, openbsd puts the USB bus to sleep and cant wake up
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22:40 < ssm_> codermattie: hey wait! I'm typing this message on a framework laptop right now!
22:40 < ssm_> are you me?
22:41 < codermattie> ssm_: lol
22:41 < codermattie> I used to have mint on another drive plugin but now I just use OpenBSD on it all the time
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22:42 < vortexx> which gen framework laptops?
22:42 < vortexx> it's going to be my next laptop for sure
22:43 < ssm_> dunno which gen, it's the 3:2 display before the hinge upgrade
22:43 < ssm_> my hinge is good though
22:44 < codermattie> its with the 12th gen intel, 13" screen I think, 64 gb ram
22:45 < codermattie> works perfect with OpenBSD or Linux
22:45 < codermattie> you have to put the system image on nvram if you want a chance at suspend/resume
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22:46 < codermattie> vortexx: Its nice that you can get spare parts easy
22:47 < vortexx> codermattie: yeah that's the main attraction for me. I don't quite like the screen resolution though, it's a bit low
22:47 < vortexx> it's like 1.5x1080p iirc?
22:47 < vortexx> doesn't that cause scaling issues with the GUI?
22:48 < codermattie> I use awesome wm & emacs and its fine
22:48 < codermattie> qt stuff looks good too
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22:48 < codermattie> I use konsole
22:50 < codermattie> vortexx: 150 dpi
22:50 < codermattie> vortexx: 2256x1504
22:51 < ssm_> dpi's real good, can't see the pixels
22:51 < ssm_> dpi should be 201, not 150
22:54 < codermattie> vortexx: I think the screen is great, I have no problems
22:55 < codermattie> vortexx: some lightning devices dont play nice, which is a bummer since all of my stuff is lightning
22:55 < ssm_> calculated on sven.de, 2256x1504 at 13.5 inches is 200.84 PPI
22:56 < ssm_> I have Xft.dpi set to 201 in Xresources
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22:59 < ssm_> also set GTK_SCALE=2 and GTK_DPI_SCALE=0.5 in .profile
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23:00 < nacelle> I figured ou my issue - the pkg_add -u never happened, so my wireguard tools were out of date. -sigh-
23:01 < il> nacelle, good
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23:01 < il> in n out
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23:10 < vortexx> codermattie: I'm on 3840x2400 on 13" so you can see for me it's a downgrade
23:11 < vortexx> ssm_: yeah I imagine I'd need to do tons of tweaking in config files
23:11 < codermattie> vortexx: It doesnt really make a difference for emacs and a terminal emulator
23:12 < codermattie> vortexx: if you need higher res you must be doing some kind of media stuff
23:12 < vortexx> I just like the screen space :)
23:12 < vortexx> I'm 2x scaling in GNOME
23:13 < codermattie> For screen space I have a 34" XDR Pro display, 1600 nits of brightness
23:13 < vortexx> nice
23:13 < codermattie> the magnetic stand is really nice
23:14 < codermattie> It also has three lightning ports on the back, and supplies power to the laptop
23:14 < ryan> i only just got a 1440p monitor this week, and its amazing.  the 165hz helps, too
23:16 < codermattie> The XDR Pro is weak on refresh, only 60hz, but its good side is that its 6k
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23:47 < Zyxer> Omg
23:48 < Zyxer> Over 8 hours to dd 2TB 
23:48 < thrig> this ain't the OS for blazin' I/O saddles
23:48 < Zyxer> HDD to USB 2 to USB3 to SSD
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23:48 < Zyxer> uh... This dd is being done on linux
23:49 < Zyxer> Need to backup the HDD before I format it for OpenBSD
23:49 < Zyxer> USB 2 har tops like 28mb read spead
23:50 < Zyxer> So I doubt OpenBSD would bockleneck it anyway
23:52 < vortexx> don't have a USB 3 enclosure to put the drive in?
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23:55 < codermattie> Zyxer: USB 2 sucks, also try rsync so your not backing up junk blocks
23:56 < codermattie> HDD sucks too
23:56 < coreystephanphd> Did anyone else running -current have a weird problem in which your last upgrade before the official 7.4 release announcement was buttery smooth (as per usual) but your first upgrade after the official release announcement is slower than molasses in January?
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23:57 < Bradipo> Well, the release was in October, so I don't know what January has to do with it.
23:57 < coreystephanphd> "slower than molasses in January" is a colloquialism meaning "very slow" :)
23:57 < thrig> molasses might be pretty quick down under
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23:58 < coreystephanphd> fair enough -- talking about northern USA and (probably) Canada
23:58 < coreystephanphd> Just wondering if there is a known problem with the first snapshot upgrade post official release announcement, even for folks running -current, or if it is just an odd coincidence or blip
23:59 < Bradipo> When you say it was slower... do you mean slow to download?
23:59 < Bradipo> Maybe you just hit a mirror at the same time as everyone else pulling in 7.4?
23:59 < coreystephanphd> Yes, extremely slow to download. Still downloading after 2 hours. Normally takes 5 minutes.
23:59 < Bradipo> Folks doing -current are much smaller numbers than those that follow official release I imagine.
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