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00:05 < mystic> xse: dunno, I tried on ubuntu and it works fine. I tried to download the comments by a python script on openbsd and it works. But doesn't work con chromium/iridium/firefox 
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00:05 < mystic> xse: I'm looking on the dev console on firefox, but honestly I don't see anything strange
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02:15 < dayid> PapaChub: That patch was applied (you can check your own /usr/src/sys/net/pf.c) but whether or not it fully fixed the whole scenario (or if this is something new) I can't say.
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04:38 < orwell> Is my assumption correct that there is no GNU less for OpenBSD? Couldn't find anything in ports.
04:38 < orwell> Regarding: https://github.com/bensadeh/circumflex/issues/87
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04:57 < pardis> a single-website browser that depends on the latest and greatest features of a program whose job it is to display text?
04:57 < pardis> (and yes, I believe that assumption is correct)
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04:59 < uwharrie> orwell: it's the same less. OpenBSD is based on v458 and hasn't pulled in any of the newer code.
05:00 < orwell> uwharrie, ok thx
05:00 < pwr> lynx news.ycombinator.com
05:00 < pwr> problem solved!
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05:09 < uwharrie> or more specifically, it's from a fork of v458 http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/less/version.c?rev=1.8&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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09:28 < divansantana> Are you guys able to copy paste from your desktop into firefox?  It works for me with chrome, but not with firefox.  It seems some text pasting works in firefox, but not all.  for instance whatsapp web text box i can't paste into with ff, but I can with chrome.
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10:02 < bountyht> divansantana: So far I can copy and paste my stuff wihout issues
10:03 < bountyht> At least primary selection does
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10:42 < renaud> divansantana: did you try both with ctrl-c and middle click?
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10:47 < renaud> divansantana: you should also try launching firefox in safe mode. If copy/paste works in safe mode, then it's probably due to one of your extensions.
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10:48 < renaud> there is also a middlemouse.paste setting in about:config
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10:58 < Voyager_MP> pkg_add -Uu -D SNAP does not have any updates yet, right ?
11:00 < IcePic> depends on the platform I gather
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11:39 < viq|w> amd64 has packages from 2023-10-18
11:39 < viq|w> (and weechat still fails to start with TERM=tmux-256color)
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11:41 < rjc> same issue here with newsboat - TERM=screen works, though
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11:43 < clemens3> jmcunx: ok, i read the page, i get the advantage, short public keys easy to distribute and confirm instead of going via sign sign sign chains
11:48 < viq|w> Yeah, I ended up with TERM=screen for now as well
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12:25 < jmcunx> clemens3: it is not bad, I still get slightly confused with signify, but it seems easier to setup
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17:33 < rebo> Just wanna say, the ABSOLUTE awesomeness is so real when it comes to the team. It took me 8 minutes to install it on a X220, and less than an hour to get everything i needed installed, and i3 working as it should. Thank you all! Also, thi absolute ease when it comes to suspend/hibernate. 
17:33 < rebo> It. Just. Works. 
17:33  * oldlaptop stands in awe of the scope of working suspend/resume support
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17:34 < rebo> Thank you! All of you. I've been here asking for help earlier, and you have not only deliverd, but you have done so in a nice and real fashion, if I didn't understand, you elped me understand. 
17:35 < oldlaptop> Most of the developer-type people you should be thanking are not here (but may well see misc@)
17:37 < rebo> I did send a mail, to the team, and I thanked them, and I sen't the hardware stats as well. 
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17:38 < oldlaptop> :)
17:38 < rebo> I also promised them "A cheap swedish beer (because I'm broke) if they ever decide to come to sweden, I can offer a sofa to sleep at. 
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17:39 < rebo> And, I've offerd to help with translation (ENG to SWE). 
17:40 < rebo> I do the same for FreeBSD as well, but as it looks, I'm keeping OpenBSD on my laptop, the only thing I will miss is Bleutooth, but I can connect my headphones with cable as well, so really, not that big deal. 
17:41 < rebo> But anyway. translation is needed, so I might as well get to work. :D
17:42 < rebo> Now, I just need to get another harddirve for my iBook G4. 
17:42 < oldlaptop> perhaps relevant: https://jcs.org/2020/11/18/openbsd_btaudio
17:42 < linetrace> could anyone point me in the right direction of appropriately adding a ucom (ukspan0, in this case) to /etc/ttys?
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17:43 < rebo> Thank you! I will take a look!
17:43 < linetrace> I seem to not making some connection in reviewing the com, ucom, ukspan, ttys, and getty man pages
17:43 < rebo> Oh yes, bookmarking that one!
17:44  * linetrace probably just forgot to HUP init
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17:50 < linetrace> nope, no luck
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17:52 < linetrace> I'm not actually finding any of /dev/{ttyU,com,ucom,ukspan}* either, though I am finding /dev/ttyU*
17:52 < linetrace> do I need to run /dev/MAKEDEV ?
17:53 < oldlaptop> /dev/ttyU? should be what you need already, AIUI
17:54 < oldlaptop> it shouldn't matter that it's a ukspan specifically
17:54 < linetrace> that was my intial read as well, so thanks for confirming, I'll continue down that path
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17:56 < linetrace> ah, thank you, it was /dev/ttyU1 think I must've forgotten to HUP init during my testing of that one!
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18:00 < linetrace> oldlaptop: thanks again
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18:03 < armin> any chance convincing the openbsd.org responsives to add an AAAA record?
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18:06 < fro> probably not
18:06 < fro> but you could just ask them directly
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18:06 < fro> only way to know for sure
18:07 < armin> there's really no good reason why not, but hey.
18:08 < armin> so whom to ask?
18:09 < armin> ipv6-only hosts are becoming more and more common. not being able to use openbsd on them starts to annoy me.
18:09 < fro> i dunno if there's a specific person
18:09 < fro> i'd just ask on the mailing list
18:09 < markmcb> i went from 7.3->7.4. base os is fine, but gdm won't start for gnome. anyone experience this?the gdm log says "failed to open /dev/xf86 and /dev/mem"
18:09 < armin> fro: which one? misc or tech?
18:10 < fro> i'd say misc
18:10 < armin> fro: thx :D
18:10 < fro> but maybe wait a few minutes to see if someone else chimes in
18:10 < fro> it'll get seen either way tho
18:10 < uwharrie> tech is definitely not the place
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18:14 < Bradipo> armin: Beating the IPv6 horse again? Or is it a drum? :-)
18:24 < markmcb> i just deleted/added gnome and gdm and the issue went away. who knows.
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18:34 < tommyrot> so you're saying ipv6 isn't backward compatible with ipv4?
18:34 < tommyrot> good to know that was a lie
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18:35 < anthon4> Hi my new laptop get in ddb{2}> randomely, do I need to write to misc@ or bugs@ ?
18:36 < phy1729> anthon4: https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html
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18:37 < anthon4> I did all the steps
18:38 < anthon4> So the last step is to send them to bugs@
18:39 < markmcb> actually, while gdm/gnome starts now, it seems really buggy. for example, the settings app won't open in gnome.
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19:20 < vortexx> markmcb: when it's like that, sometimes it's best to delete the packages and their dependencies and then readd them: pkg_info -m >pkglist && pkg_delete -X && pkg_add -l pkglist
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19:43 < linetrace> vortexx, markmcb: pkg_info(1) & pkg_add(1) seem to suggest `pkg_info -mz` for use with `pkg_add -l`
19:44 < linetrace> I've always used `pkg_info -mz` in such situations, so I'm not sure if there are significant differences from using just `-m`, aside from what's explained re:`-z` in pkg_info(1)
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19:55 < CNOT> shine on you crazy diamond
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20:14 < Lucas6023> linetrace: I think that only `-m` will prompt you about flavors
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20:15 < linetrace> Lucas6023: ah, true
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20:22 < vortexx> linetrace: if you're on a system that has been properly upgraded package-wise -m should be fine
20:22 < vortexx> -mz is good for getting a package list before upgrading, in case things go wrong
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20:29 < linetrace> vortexx: which has generally been my use case
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20:35 < gnubert> hello
20:35 < gnubert> is it ok if i post a question ?
20:37 < gnubert> i have run intto truble with OpenBSD 7.4
20:37 < CosmicDJ> gnubert: don't ask to ask, just ask
20:37 < gnubert> In OpenBSD 7.3 I could log in directly in login/shell without xenodm and start tmux -u and my default kbd sv.nodead worked with my Swedish characters, but after I updated to 7.4 with sysupgrade it stopped working, Swedish characters give no response at all.
20:39 < gnubert> If I run startx and in xterm everything works as before and likewise if I directly in from login/shell without starting X and tmux.
20:40 < gnubert> Does anyone know where I can find a solution to my problem?
20:40 < gnubert> The computer I am having problems with is a Thinkpad Lenovo T430.
20:40 < gnubert> But I had hoped to be able to update my beloved Lenovo Z61p, but at the moment I don't dare to, as it sometimes has some problems with distorted graphics in X but works fine without starting X.
20:40 < gnubert> Does anyone have any suggestions? or is that just how it works now.
20:43 < uwharrie> what's in /etc/wsconsctl.conf ?
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20:45 < CNOT> wtf is openbsd 7.4 out :( it means it going to be time to reboot my server then
20:46 < codermattie> yeah
20:46 < codermattie> CNOT: thats why everyone is here talking about broken stuff
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20:47 < sibiria> thou shalt always reboot when syspatch beckons
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20:47 < gnubert> never had one!
20:49 < gnubert> but did try wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=sv from the man page when got in to trouble, but did not help 
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20:49 < dayid> When you say log in directly, you mean via like tty0?
20:50 < codermattie> gnubert: if you can cut and paste swedish characters into the console it might be the shell not the console
20:50 < dayid> So directly in tty0 the chars work, just not inside of tmux?
20:50 < gnubert> yes No X no xenodm
20:50 < dayid> but it works in tmux if you're inside of X?
20:50 < CNOT> tmux is weird with characters sometimes
20:50 < gnubert> before i always use tmux -u and all was good.
20:51 < dayid> the majority of the tmux issues I see like that are $TERM related
20:51 < dayid> I'd expect that to be equally true if it works in tmux w/i X but not in tmux w/i like tty0
20:51 < gnubert> i have try all TERM i can thing of 
20:51 < uwharrie> the console doesn't support full UTF-8
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20:52 < Bradipo> Are we talking about encoding and displaying characters, or keys on a keyboard?
20:52 < uwharrie> so it's unlikely tmux's TERM entry is going to reflect it
20:52 < uwharrie> Bradipo: still nowhere near clear
20:52 < dayid> Bradipo: good point too, is it just not drawing, or not acting upon a keystroke.
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20:54 < uwharrie> there's been some work to improve the console's character support, but I'm not sure why anyone would want to spend a lot of time in it if X is working
20:54 < CNOT> are you guys srsly using x on openbsd? ive run 100% terminal mode for several years, and will not change that
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20:54 < gnubert> Well, god point but if not !
20:55 < gnubert> Just to confirm, I install 7.3 and updated to 7.4 and got same problem
20:55 < codermattie> CNOT: web browser not ported to console
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20:55 < dayid> CNOT: and pictures... and movies... and and and
20:55 < Bradipo> codermattie: There's w3m and a few other browsers for console.
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20:56 < codermattie> Bradipo: ive tried them
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20:56 < dayid> gnubert: There's a misc@ mail about tmux regarding terminfo mentioning a curses update and needing a new package from late yesterday, are all your packages up to date post upgrade?
20:56 < Bradipo> I sometimes wish I could get away with just console only.
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20:57 < codermattie> Bradipo: sometimes I do , but I have other computers on my desk to for the graphical stuff
20:57 < gnubert> i am very old! I don't understand pictures.
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21:08 < Bradipo> I'm confused about  ulimit behavior...
21:08 < Bradipo> In my xterm, if I type ulimit -a -H, I see 4096 nofiles and 512 processes.
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21:08 < Bradipo> Then, in tmux in one pane of tmux the same command produces 1024 nofiles and 512 processes.
21:09 < Bradipo> And in another pane in tmux (e.g. one newly created), I see again nofiles 4096 and processes 512.  Why is there a discrepancy?
21:10 < Bradipo> How in the world did one pane in tmux get a hard limit of 1024 when in reality it should be 4096?
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21:12 < frank2> anyone here had any luck in running browsh with openbsd? 
21:12 < dayid> Bradipo: I don't get different results, but likely the answer may be in your 'env' output
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21:13 < Bradipo> How will 'env' help here?
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21:14 < dayid> if there's any discrepency about user starting that pane or somesuch
21:15 < Bradipo> So, I wrote the output of env from both panes to two different files and then used diff to inspect.
21:15 < Bradipo> The only differences is in the TMUX_PANE, PWD, and OLDPWD variables.
21:16 < Bradipo> No other differences.
21:16 < Bradipo> Maybe that's not what you meant by 'env' though?
21:16 < dayid> no, that's where I was hoping maybe it was in a different uid or somesuch simplicity
21:16 < Bradipo> Oh interesting.
21:17 < Bradipo> It seems that if I run "ulimit -n 1024" I can no longer raise it again.
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21:17 < Bradipo> It sets the Hard limit apparently.
21:18 < Bradipo> By default, my nofiles is 512.  I type ulimit -a -H and it shows nofiles as 4096, however, if I then type: ulimit -n 1024, it lowers the hard limit.
21:18 < Bradipo> And then I can no longer raise it again.
21:18 < Bradipo> So that explains it...
21:18 < Bradipo> Now, I'm not sure why ulimit -n 1024 modifies the hard limit...
21:18 < dayid> seems perhaps like being able to "nice" something up but not down
21:19 < Bradipo> Right, but in this case, I didn't do: ulimit -H -n 1024
21:19 < Bradipo> Oh, interesting, man page says that the default is to set both hard and soft.
21:19 < Bradipo> Ok, I learned something.
21:19 < Bradipo> Guess I should be using: ulimit -S -n 1024
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21:28 < gnubert> To clarify, I updated from 7.3 to 7.4 no package installed except emacs and (vim) sysupgrade sysmerge (i) and pkg_add -u
21:28 < gnubert> and all syspatch installed before i updated.
21:28 < gnubert> So I don't understand what I missed, it has worked in several previous updates without problems and I can't find any information about what has changed. Do I need to build a new kernel? With option HILKBD_LAYOUT="KB_SV" ? Afraid that it would kill my old CPU!
21:28 < gnubert> now my Swedish characters don't work when I start tmux -u.
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21:30 < codermattie> gnubert: props for emacs being your sole pkg!!!!
21:30 < Bradipo> I'm surprised an emacs user has any need for tmux at all. ;-)
21:31 < codermattie> Bradipo: I was just going to mention that
21:31 < gnubert> it's the only one i need !
21:31 < codermattie> Emacs has the best character support and supports shells in buffers
21:31 < Bradipo> gnubert: Are you sure it's a 7.4 issue?  What if you install 7.3 from "scratch"?
21:31 < codermattie> gnubert: I use term and it works... until it barfs
21:31 < codermattie> gnubert: but you get cut and paste on the console
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21:33 < codermattie> gnubert: Emacs has been eating GNU Fat Shakes since 1980 so it should have everything you need
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21:39 < gnubert> emacs did all i need emacs -nw and all was fine the i i run in to trouble in 7.4, emacs tmux irssi so far with native Swedish char's :(
21:42 < gnubert> Guess I'll have to downgrade to 7.3 until I figure out how to fix my issues :(
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21:51 < gnubert> Now I'm sorry, please send me a Beer!
21:51 < gnubert> How long have your SSD disks survived in a laptop?
21:52 < uwharrie> I've got one going on 9 years
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22:05 < gnubert> My Hitachi 500GB was crazy expensive, wonder if it will survive my new 128GB Samsung 128GB SSD:)
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22:13 < gnubert> Sometimes wanting to write in one's native language is not something a computer scientist cares about.
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22:31 < gnubert> A.
22:31 < gnubert> .
22:31 < gnubert> Anyone using pkg_mgr ? now it doesn't work anymore! in 7.4 it no longer works -> Too few arguments for subroutine 'OpenBSD::PackageRepository::Installed::new' (got 1; expected 3) at /usr/local/libdata/perl5/site_perl/OpenBSD/PackageManager/DBIModel .pm line 49.
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22:39 < gnubert> fresh install 7.4 and pkg_add pkg_mgr
22:39 < gnubert> port is broken 
22:40 < gnubert> perl stuff ?
22:43 < Bradipo> If I'm getting resource unavailable errors in relayd, does that suggest I need to update something in login.conf?
22:44 < Bradipo> There isn't anything in login.conf for relayd by default.
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22:45 < Bradipo> Though, maybe it usees the daemon class?
22:46 < phy1729> rcctl get relayd class
22:46 < Bradipo> Yep, it's daemon as I suspected.
22:47 < phy1729> I'd ktrace it and see what fails
22:47 < phy1729> but probably a ulimit thing
22:48 < Bradipo> tracing...
22:48 < Bradipo> Hmm, as soon as I start the trace, nothing happens.
22:49 < Bradipo> Murphy's law.
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23:01 < vortexx> ugh, something changed from 7.3 to 7.4: I have nginx running as a reverse proxy for 2 VMs serving https behind my firewall. I set it all up 40 days ago when I needed to add a matrix server to my network, the other service is nextcloud. Had to use nginx because caching is needed to be able to download large files. I upgraded the router some four days ago but didn't notice that nginx no longer seemed to be 
23:01 < vortexx> passing traffic
23:02 < vortexx> now I'm stumped, as the nginx binary doesn't come as a debug version
23:02 < vortexx> my pf didn't change in 40 days
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23:03 < vortexx> I can see when testing with my phone that it connects on https at the firewall but there's no ongoing traffic to the VM
23:03 < vortexx> does anyone have a suggestion?
23:04 < vortexx> https://clbin.com/WtpTt is the nginx.conf
23:04 < vortexx> I just tested with the 7.3 nginx 1.22 (vs 7.4's 1.24) binary, it doesn't work either
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23:06 < vortexx> (and yes nginx 1.22 starts up normally)
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23:07 < vortexx> seninha: did your cdce device hold up in university today?
23:09 < seninha> vortexx: yes, just had a bad time trying to configure wpa_supplicant there to access eduroam
23:10 < seninha> I also realised that i hate modern laptops
23:10 < seninha> and their lack of ports
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23:11 < seninha> the laptop is borrowed, the newest one i own is a thinkpad from 2012
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23:23 < vortexx> that puts you into the club of old thinkpad users, plenty of people here for that
23:24 < vortexx> yeah my Dell XPS 9310 only has two usb-c ports and one I use permanently to keep it charged (the other two ports are audio out and micro-sd card)
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23:27 < vortexx> luckily I don't need to plug anything else in 99% of the time
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