--- Log opened Thu Oct 26 00:00:11 2023
--- Day changed Thu Oct 26 2023
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00:02 < _leo___> hello, i'm trying to upgrade to GENERIC.MP, it is booting but i have "error Relinking to create unique kernel... failed!"  and reorder_kernel error is : make: don't know how to make newbsd , i copy MakeFile from GENERIC directory but it asks many .o files, that i could copy from GENERIC too, but it might be dangerous.  
00:03 < Bradipo> I don't know if building your own kernel works with "creating unique kernel".
00:03 < Bradipo> You might have to disable reorder_kernel.
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00:06 < _leo___> Bradipo, how I disable this, and syspatch doesnt work
00:08 < Bradipo> syspatch should work for everything but the kernel I should think, but maybe not...
00:09 < Bradipo> The CAVEATS does say: syspatch is designed to work solely on official OpenBSD releases.
00:09 < Bradipo> What do you want a custom GENERIC.MP build for?
00:11 < _leo___> openbsd has used the GENERIC kernel after an upgrade, and I want to reuse the MP one
00:11 < _leo___> i follow this process https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/f5uov8/convertupgrade_from_generic_to_genericmp/
00:11 < _leo___> syspatch -R
00:11 < _leo___> etc...
00:12 < Bradipo> OpenBSD automatically switched from using the MP kernel to SP during an upgrade?
00:13 < _leo___> or a new install, i dont remember
00:14 < fro> this makes no sense
00:15 < fro> if it's a new install why don't you just reinstall it instead of trying something weird?
00:15 < fro> since you don't remember
00:16 < fro> shouldn't be a big deal
00:18 < _leo___> it is not a new install
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00:21 < nature> good evening, so things have been a bit crazy the past week... I broke my laptop screen so I ordered the exact same model t460s without a hard drive and swapped the old hard drive in
00:22 < thrig> that is the nature of things
00:23 < nature> now I have tons of issue I never had before, my wireguard connection doesn't work, I can't ssh into anything, when I sysupgrade https doesn't work because ca certificate are invalid, when I use http it tells me "invalid signing key" etc...
00:23 < Bradipo> That doesn't seem consistent with just moving a hard drive.
00:24 < Bradipo> Did the old laptop have more than one drive?
00:24 < nature> oh and apm tells me that my battery is at 216% and charging, while 610619 minutes are left for a full charge :)
00:24 < phy1729> Sounds like the date is off
00:25 < nature> Bradipo: no, the old laptop had only a single hard drive that I moved into the new laptop
00:25 < Bradipo> You could have put the new monitor into the old laptop.
00:25 < Bradipo> Check date as phy1729 suggests.
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00:25 < nature> phy1729: could be
00:25 < nature> it was 2 hrs ahead, so I set it manually
00:25 < Bradipo> That shouldn't affect SSH but definitely does a number on SSL.
00:25 < nature> when I use rdate I have an error too...
00:26 < Bradipo> rdate probably won't work if ntpd is running.
00:27 < codermattie> nature: maybe the new hard-drive-less laptop is broken in a lot of ways
00:28 < nature> just stopped ntpd, and rdate still gives me the error "not enough valid responses received in time"
00:28 < nature> codermattie: that would suck :(
00:28 < Bradipo> What rdate arguments are you using?
00:28 < codermattie> nature: I got rid of a lot of hardware right before it broke
00:28 < nature> rdate pool.ntp.org
00:29 < Bradipo> That won't work.  You need -n
00:29 < Bradipo> Oh, well, that's the default. :-)
00:29 < Bradipo> Try a single server maybe, instead of a pool.
00:29 < Bradipo> And maybe -4 just to be certain.
00:31 < phy1729> Or just set it manually via date and let ntp handle the few seconds you're off by later
00:31 < nature> yeah I already did, let me check the actual time here
00:32 < Bradipo> Try: date; rdate -p -n pool.ntp.org
00:33 < nature> rdate commande doesn't work
00:34 < codermattie> nature: what can you ping?
00:34 < codermattie> I always go router,debian.org
00:34 < nature> and I set the time manually and I still can't sysupgrade, error "sysupgrade: invalid signing key"
00:34 < nature> codermattie: I can ping everything
00:35 < nature> ping works, ssh, rdate, sysupgrade, etc doesn't...
00:35 < Bradipo> Try rebooting after correcting date?  Shouldn't really matter, but who knows.
00:36 < codermattie> can you curl undeadly.org?
00:36 < nature> if I do cat /home/_sysupgrade/SHA256.sig I get something funny
00:36 < fro> how funny is it
00:36 < nature> i get an html file
00:36 < nature> with a single meta tag inside html/head
00:37 < Bradipo> I've never heard of /home/_sysupgrade...
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00:37 < nature> it's where the sets gets downloaded
00:38 < fro> yeah that's normal
00:38 < Bradipo> Oh, I guess I never use sysupgrade, that's why I don't have one.
00:38 < thrig> a captive web portal might be problematic to run sysupgrade through
00:38 < Bradipo> Still, /home seems like a poor place for it.  Shouldn't /var be more appropriate?
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00:38 < nature> thrig, oh that could explaim the issue!!
00:38 < fro> no
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00:38 < thrig> /home tends to be bigger than /var
00:38 < Bradipo> So.
00:38 < thrig> a needle pulling thread
00:39 < nature> since my laptop's screen broke a week ago, maybe the captive portal forgot me...
00:39 < Bradipo> If that's the argument /home should also be used for /usr and we can do away with the warning that /usr isn't big enough for X.
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00:39 < nature> it was supposed to remember me until december :(
00:39 < Bradipo> Haha, /usr isn't big enough for upgrading.
00:40 < thrig> usr used to be the user drive, but they ran out of space on it
00:40 < Bradipo> X was meant to be a placeholder for some "message", not the X11R6 system.
00:40 < codermattie> Captive Web Portal? Are you upgrading at StarBucks?
00:40 < fro> you should propose your /var suggestion on the mailing lists
00:40 < fro> see what kinda response that gets
00:41 < Bradipo> Yeah, a bunch of childish rants I'm sure.
00:41 < Bradipo> I'm sure someone will point to hier(7) and say, "It's documented as being in home".
00:41 < Bradipo> Then someone will say, "Are you my boss?"
00:41 < fro> well
00:41 < fro> are you?
00:42 < ssm_> submit a patch that changes hier.7 in the same mail
00:42 < Bradipo> I honestly don't care, I don't use sysupgrade.  But it just seems odd that it should be in /home.
00:42 < fro> doesn't seem odd to me
00:42 < ssm_> you can do `sysupgrade -b /var` to change it if you want
00:43 < ssm_> I think it'd make more sense in /var too
00:43 < fro> well he doesn't use it
00:43 < Bradipo> I don't use it, but at least it's possible to change.
00:44 < ssm_> why don't you use it?
00:45 < Bradipo> Well, reason n+1 is now the default directory is /home/_sysupgrade. :-)
00:46 < ssm_> so what's reason n
00:46 < Bradipo> If I did use it, then I would have to worry about excluding it from the backups of /home.
00:46 < fro> no you wouldn't
00:46 < fro> it deletes the files after it finishes
00:46 < codermattie> I just backup everything
00:46 < Bradipo> Oh, so it's temporary stuff?  The kind of thing that /var is for? :-)
00:47 < Bradipo>      /var/      Multi-purpose log, temporary, transient, and spool files.
00:47 < codermattie> space is cheap
00:47 < ssm_> yes, but you wouldn't have to include it in your backup
00:47 < Bradipo> Precisely, I would exclude it in my backups.
00:47 < ssm_> s/include/exclude
00:47 < fro> you'd just be excluding an empty directory
00:47 < fro> waste of time
00:47 < Bradipo> Assuming a bug free system, and no problems, sure.
00:48 < fro> you could switch it to /var tho
00:48 < nature> codermattie: I am at a school
00:49 < codermattie> nature: try it at home
00:49 < codermattie> schools do funny things to networks
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00:50 < ssm_> sysupgrade is the beginning of GNUification of openbsd! bsd is doomed!
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00:50 < codermattie> ssm_: bsd has a working kernel, its not gnu yet....
00:50 < ssm_> next they'll replace dhclient, wait, they already did!
00:50 < nature> I forgot there was this captive portal thing... but it works now
00:51 < nature> codermattie: I live in the dorm... so technically this is my home for now...
00:51 < codermattie> nature: oh lord, even in the dorms?
00:52 < nature> everything works now, let's see if my battery will blow up at some point
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00:52 < ssm_> is there a tool to authenticate those stupid captive portal things without having a web browser
00:52 < nature> i guess the issue was that since I just swapped the drive, the mac address changed, and the captive portal did not remember me :(
00:54 < nature> ssm_: not that I know of... although now that ungoogled-chromium is in the port I don't mind using "modern" web stuff
00:54 < codermattie> nature: firefox is usable for basic stuff
00:55 < ssm_> I wish webkitgtk wasn't a buggy mess
00:55 < codermattie> nature: everything else is webkit
00:55 < nature> ikr, i don't trust mozilla tho
00:55 < ssm_> there's netsurf, it seems like it's dead or at least dying though :(
00:55 < ssm_> nature: I agree, but do you trust mozilla less than google?
00:56 < nature> that's why I use ungoogled-chromium
00:56 < codermattie> ive tried all kinds of browers, is firefox or webkit if you want to do things like pay bills and live in the real world
00:56  * ssm_ looks for the unmozilla'd firefox
00:56 < ssm_> librewolf?
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00:57 < codermattie> iridium is another stripped chrome that is borderline broken
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00:58 < ssm_> also I don't know about the dynamic size, but even ungoogled chromium is exceedingly larger than firefox's package
01:00 < ssm_> just looking at the dependency list, chromium's is a lot longer, but that of course isn't indicative of size alone
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01:01 < codermattie> what I actually do is use a normal person computer for normal stuff and keep my unix machines lean and mean
01:03 < ssm_> "I use openbsd for everything" -> gigachad
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01:04 < magnahelix> A totally based gigachad lol.
01:05 < ssm_> actually the main thing keeping me from using chromium is the recent attitude to change web standards to serve ads, and that starts at the browser
01:05 < ssm_> forks are only going to do so much
01:05 < codermattie> chromium is just webkit + google
01:05 < codermattie> since their whole model is selling your data I wont go there
01:06 < codermattie> Ill stick with safari
01:06 < ssm_> chromium's rendering engine is blink
01:07 < codermattie> ssm_: its webkit on my phone, I havent kept up with what they do on the desktop
01:08 < codermattie> I de-googled my life
01:08 < ssm_> I mean blink was forked from webcore, a component of webkit; I don't know how far it's strayed from webkit but I'd imagine it's about as similar as android is to linux
01:11 < codermattie> with a company like google you also have to worry about them using your data for AI training
01:12 < ssm_> doomsday argument gets more compelling every day that passes
01:13 < ssm_> at least netsurf still exists, even if it's seemingly dead
01:14 < nature> anywho, thanks for helping out Bradipo, codermattie and thrig :)
01:15 < codermattie> :)
01:15 < codermattie> nature: good luck with school
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01:17  * ssm_ dreads the day one of his professors will use respondus or similar
01:17 < codermattie> man, all you students are making me feel old...
01:18 < ssm_> at least there's fresh meat using openbsd
01:18 < codermattie> ssm_: definitely
01:21 < nature> thanks, let me reassure you, I am not a student, I visit my partner. will start a phd next year tho
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06:22 < kodcode> Good morning all.
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06:27 < uwu_linux_openbs> morning
06:28 < tercaL> Good morning
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07:44 < Posterdati> hi
07:45 < Posterdati> wow the latest x server patch is fantastic, now the screen saver crashes more frequently
07:45 < Posterdati> :)
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09:48 < armin> your screensaver is crashing? which one do you use?
09:51 < armin> and apropos screensavers, i somewhat fell in love with xlock recently, it feels just somewhat as weird as xscreensaver does...
09:52 < armin> but then again, i3lock felt somewhat crazy to me as well.
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10:23 < kubast2> Hey I would like to ask about the openssh package. "https://termbin.com/98v5" /etc/ssh/sshd_config; Is it a well defined behavior? With ChrootDirectory, the user can't be used for sftp;
10:23 < kubast2> I just wanna know if there's some problem with the debian stable package or it's working as intended 
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10:41 < IcePic> kusoneko: at least with internal-sftp, the directory the user lands in needs to be owned by root. All dirs under this place can be owned by the user
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10:41 < IcePic> mis-nicked
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12:30 < il> Noobie question: On my linux machines, my trackballs have some properties I can change with xinput (mainly concerned with properties which are named "libinput Scroll Method Enabled" and "libinput Button Scrolling Button"). It's not a shortsighted assumption to assume similar/same is available on obsd?
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12:51 < armin> il: i would assume there's something in "wsconsctl"
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12:52 < armin> il: wsmouse is exposed as xinput device, too, so using xinput might work as well, but i never had to use that.
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13:11 < PyR3X> is the pine64 laptop pro fully supported on openbsd?
13:14 < sibiria> no
13:14 < sibiria> but it works reasonable well with a bit of effort
13:14 < sibiria> reasonably*
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14:12 < TiberianSun> hi all!
14:13 < TiberianSun> help me plese with openbsd multiproccessors
14:13 < hardkorebob> Hi
14:13 < hardkorebob> shoot the q
14:13 < TiberianSun> i`m installing openbsd 7.4 on virtualbox in smp mode, then i change mode to multi, but in htop i see only one CPU
14:14 < TiberianSun> and i do now have bsd.mp
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14:14 < TiberianSun> when i try on boot: boot /bsd.mp i see no suck file
14:15 < hardkorebob> did u change the virtualbox settings?
14:15 < TiberianSun> yes
14:16 < TiberianSun> bsd use kernel /bsd on boot (kernel for simple CPU)
14:16 < TiberianSun> but kernel /bsd.mp i do not have :(
14:16 < hardkorebob> TiberianSun, https://bpa.st/CWDQ
14:16 < hardkorebob> maybe because it doesnt see the multi "virtual" cpus
14:19 < TiberianSun> i`m do not understand step 2
14:19 < TiberianSun>  fw_update
14:20 < TiberianSun> server# fw_update
14:20 < TiberianSun> fw_update: add none; update none; keep amd
14:20 < TiberianSun> server#
14:20 < TiberianSun> :(
14:21 < hardkorebob> TiberianSun, https://bpa.st/YNCA
14:21 < TiberianSun> server# cp /bsd.mp /bsd
14:21 < TiberianSun> cp: /bsd.mp: No such file or directory
14:21 < TiberianSun> server#
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14:24 < hardkorebob> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
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14:24 < hardkorebob> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/amd64/ [change your arch to whatever (amd64)]
14:25 < hardkorebob> you can download the bsd.mp there
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14:26 < TiberianSun> wow. thx for you!
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14:29 < hardkorebob> forgive me friends
14:29 < hardkorebob> I wont link any more ChatGPT 
14:29 < hardkorebob> Didint know that was a 'no-no' on irc, even tho its a sanitized paste. Not sure how Im doing a diservice
14:30 < TiberianSun> hardkorebob, it work! verry verry verry thx for you!!!!!!!!
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14:33 < Bradipo> hardkorebob: Well for one, the link that you posted seems to have all kinds of misinformation in it.
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14:35 < Bradipo> It suggests using pkg_add to install bsd.mp?  Really?  Unless there is some backdoor functionality, pkg_add is used to install packages(7).
14:36 < Bradipo> It also talks about using fw_update to install bsd.mp.  Again, nothing but misinformation.
14:36 < IcePic> also, you need to change /etc/boot.conf to use /bsd.mp unless you overwrite /bsd so it would not even work even if pkg_add was possible
14:37 < IcePic> so typical AI vomit of stuff that looks plausible but in the end is so wrong that it takes a keen eye to spot all the problems, so by then you don't need to talk to the AI to get "help" from it
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14:45 < pardis> TiberianSun: do not simply download bsd.mp to /bsd.mp
14:45 < pardis> you will not get kernel security patches with syspatch that way
14:45 < pardis> the simplest thing to do is boot /bsd.rd, "upgrade" to the same version, then reapply syspatches
14:45 < pardis> the installer will install bsd.mp by default if it detects multiple cores
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14:48 < sibiria> what else does the system track for this besides the checksums in /var/db?
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14:48 < pardis> you also need the object files for the correct kernel, which are in the base set
14:49 < pardis> you can extract that manually, but it's probably more work than what I said
14:49 < pardis> especially for a new user
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14:57 < TiberianSun> pardis, when i install openbsd on virtualbox - multiprocessor call error, then i turn off multiproc, install openbsd, and turn on mulriproc
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14:58 < oldlaptop> What "error" do you see, exactly?
14:58 < oldlaptop> Oh.
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14:58 < oldlaptop> TiberianSun: What "error" do you see, exactly?
14:58 < TiberianSun> one sec
14:59 < TiberianSun> Installing bsd 0% (...)dc_atapi_start: not ready, st = 40fatal protection fault in supervisor modetrap type 4 code 0 rip ff(...) cs 8 rflags 10286 cr2 42f9c8 cpl 6 rsp ff(...)gsbase 0xff(...) kgsbase 0x0panic: trap type 4, code=0, pc=ff(...)syncing disks...6 6 (...)
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15:00 < oldlaptop> That seems kind of suspicious. The kernel the installer runs (bsd.rd) doesn't even have multiprocessor support.
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15:00 < oldlaptop> (as nearly as I can recall, anyway)
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15:01 < oldlaptop> dc_atapi_start sounds like something to do with the emulated CD-ROM drive. (Not necessarily connected with the panic.)
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15:03 < TiberianSun> :(
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15:04 < oldlaptop> I would usually recommend using some other hypervisor than Virtualbox to run OpenBSD, precisely because it (Virtualbox) seems to be rather buggy. On Windows, Hyper-V is a better option; on Linux, kvm works well, and virt-manager is a "friendly" GUI for it vaguely similar to Virtualbox's.
15:05 < oldlaptop> (OpenBSD has explicit paravirtualization support for both of those.)
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15:06 < TiberianSun> I guess I'll do just that, switch to hyper-v
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15:11 < hardkorebob> again pardon the intrusion
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15:47 < lts> Spam via announce@ list?
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15:48 < visl> i have one of these intel cpus that has e-cores and p-cores. is there a way for me to enable/disable them from sysctl or something? essentially i'd want to run on e-cores all the time unless i decide i want to compile something then i'd re-enable the p-cores and disable them when i'm done.
15:50 < Abdullah> My boss said, "In general, aim for about 1000 words (shorter if a poem or ASCII art). Your file
15:50 < Abdullah> must be done in the vi editor and then subsequently tared to your floppy to be
15:50 < Abdullah> handed into me."
15:50 < Abdullah> so I should create a ascii art using vim, tar it and hand it over to him?
15:50 < Abdullah> sorry, I"m not a native English speaker. 
15:50 < ssm_> Abdullah: wrong channel?
15:51 < Abdullah> I know but its related to UNIX ;-)
15:51 < Bradipo> Abdullah: Well, he didn't say vim, he said vi.
15:51 < moviuro> what happened on announce@ ? Got a spam from it
15:51 < Abdullah> ah yeah but vi is mostly symlinked to vim ;-)
15:52 < Bradipo> moviuro: Spam is a fact of life.
15:52 < Bradipo> Abdullah: No it's not.
15:52 < moviuro> Bradipo: not when it's from announce@openbsd.org, no
15:52 < ssm_> normal text editors don't leave metadata identifying what text editor you edited the file in. You have to go to bloat editors and bloat formats for that kind of nonsense
15:52 < Abdullah> In OpenBSD its not symlinked. 
15:52 < Bradipo> Abdullah: Last I checked, this is #openbsd. :-)
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15:53 < moviuro> http://ix.io/4K14
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15:53 < Abdullah> /usr/sbin/vi: symbolic link to ex
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15:59 < dqk> you can know when something is created by emacs though, it's not puting a newline at the end of the file
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16:18 < dayid> Abdullah: There is no "/usr/sbin/vi" in OpenBSD base.
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16:26 < eea> any strong opinions about CalDAV services on openbsd/httpd?
16:26 < eea> looking at baikal now
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16:28 < lts> Never heard of issues with them, they just seem to work. I run baikal, though it's on a linux host
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16:33 < sdk_> eea: I'm running radicale on openbsd. No complaints. Does what it should do.
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16:34 < sdk_> eea: it doesn't need httpd. It runs on its own port. I use relayd for tls and redirect to radicale.
16:35 < eea> sdk_: pro tip, thank you. since I am already using relayd for tls, i will give radicale a go
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16:54 < armin> my recommendation is radicale, too.
16:54 < armin> it's not perfect, but it's the best i was able to find.
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17:23 < TiberianSun> guys, tell me please, how i can install php82-xmlrpc on openbsd 7.4?
17:23 < TiberianSun> pkg_add can not search package :(
17:23 < TiberianSun> can search only for php72
17:27 < CNOT> pkg_info -Q php-xmlrpc
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17:29 < CNOT> i dont know how php works but normal 'php' package seems to be "php 82" at least
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17:56 < vortexx> I was going to wait till after 10 pm to restart all my OpenBSD devices to boot the new 002 syspatch kernel but the cleaning lady managed to disconnect the server ... Oh well, all done
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17:58 < CNOT> you have a 'cleaning lady'? ok
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19:34 < ssm_> anyone else unable to play any videos inside a gtkwebkit browser?
19:34 < ssm_> (luakit, badwolf, epiphany, etc)
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19:34 < ssm_> video plays for a few frames and then freezes
19:36 < ssm_> get the errors `Error writing to the eventfd at DMABufReleaseFlag: Device not configured` and `Failed to get GBM buffer from swap chain: no buffers available` in every gtkwebkit browser I try
19:36 < ssm_> looks kind of like a driver error? videos play fine in firefox or using gstreamer directly itself though
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19:39 < ssm_> s/gstreamer directly itself/gst-play-1.0/
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19:44 < piotr_> openbsd, games ?
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19:46 < ssm_> FIlystyn: #openbsd-gaming
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19:50 < avemestr> FIlystyn: Lots: https://www.playonbsd.com/games/
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19:56 < FIlystyn> jk i just don't play anygames nearly, sometimes zandonum doom but on linux since they use some closed sound lib that is not compiled for obsd and playing without sound sucks
19:56 < armin> i do play games on a very slow thinclient that runs openbsd.
19:57 < FIlystyn> compiled it even on obsd but well no sound sucks ;p
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19:58 < ssm_> cataclysm-dda is the premier openbsd game, for me anyways
19:59 < FIlystyn> games take too much time
19:59 < FIlystyn> yeah just looked how it looks a DW variation
19:59 < FIlystyn> DF***
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20:01 < ssm_> it's nothing like DF
20:01 < ssm_> DF is more of a civilization management game
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20:01 < ssm_> CDDA is an open ended apocalypse simulator where you play as a single character
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20:14 < FIlystyn> pretty sure there was single character in DF
20:15 < FIlystyn> where you played as some kind of  DnD one char team
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20:24 < armin> 21:59 [ FIlystyn] games take too much time
20:24 < armin> depends on the game. i'd say that's true for at least 99% of them.
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20:24 < armin> most games are simply wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to complex.
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20:25 < armin> there was this chromium-bsu game for example, i never managed to even reach level 3.
20:25 < ssm_> oh yeah DF has adventurer mode, which seems to be more like a standard roguelike experience
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20:47 < FIlystyn> armin - thats why i liek doom. one map 1-2 hours of gameplay  and fin. Most maps are made you can end it starting with pistol, you collect other weapons in the gameplay. no saves needed. for me best expirence. Since i probably play 1 - 2 time per month 
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22:16 < tercaL> yet an another package issue on OpenBSD 7.4 fresh install - amd64; pkg_add php-gd
22:17 < tercaL> Can't install gd-2.3.3 because of libraries |library fontconfig.13.1 not found |library freetype.30.3 not found Can't install php-gd-8.0.30p0: can't resolve gd-2.3.3 - Couldn't install gd-2.3.3 php-gd-8.0.30p0
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22:17 < tercaL> Could someone confirm that, pretty please?
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22:18 < pardis> did you install all the sets?
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22:18 < tercaL> pardis: Well, much likely. Let's check.
22:20 < pardis> well, what does 'ls /usr/X11R6/lib/' output?
22:21 < tercaL> "X11                       libSM.la                  libXdamage.so.4.0         libXmuu.so.6.0            libXvMC.so.6.0            libfontenc.a              libxcb-dpms.a             libxcb-render-util.la     libxcb-xrm.a" and so on
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22:22 < pardis> do you have libfontconfig and libfreetype in there?
22:23 < tercaL> pardis: Yep
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22:31 < apotheon> Maybe the /topic should be updated to mention the new OpenBSD release
22:31 < apotheon> .
22:32 < thrig> people read the topic?
22:32 < phy1729> The version number isn't in the topic
22:34 < apotheon> phy1729: I'm aware.
22:35 < fro> i don't see any reason to update it
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22:55 < Bradipo> The /top hardly shows anything to me in my IRC client.  All I see is: Unofficial OpenBSD support channel; please try to stay on topic |  https://www.
22:55 < Bradipo> So if the version were buried somewhere in the topic, I wouldn't see it.
22:56 < Bradipo> Except perhaps when I /join.
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23:02 < visl> "[...] stay on topic | latest version at https://www.openbsd.org | [...]" 
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23:41 < fro> i see 6 lines of stuff for the topic and it still cuts off
23:41 < fro> but there's no reason to have the version in there
23:42 < fro> the info is solid and most people would only see it on join
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23:53 < vortexx> apotheon: you know it's only updated when -current hits the next version and people have to use -Dsnap for pkg_add -u ... It's fine as is
23:53 < vortexx> Bradipo: here's a nickel kid, get a better irc client :P
23:57 < Bradipo> What makes you think it's the client.
23:58 < Bradipo> I run irssi in a terminal that is 80x24.
23:58 < Bradipo> I'm quite pleased that it doesn't wrap the topic.
23:59 < vortexx> 80x24... that does make a bit more sense then 
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