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03:30 < fro> myappie: i don't have anything like that
03:31 < fro> but there aren't going to be a lot of "general purpose" exploits that work across operating systems
03:31 < fro> not really how that works
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05:10 < echelon> hi, this is in my /etc/pf.conf https://paste.ee/r/lbuK4
05:10 < echelon> i basically trying to do a port mirror a  remote host's port
05:10 < echelon> of a*
05:10 < echelon> i enable ip forwarding, but it's not working
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05:14 < Gry> what error message do you get?
05:15 < echelon> i'm just trying `nc -zv <ip on local machine> 2222`
05:15 < dlg> ena?
05:15 < dlg> that doesnt look like openbsd or openbsd pf
05:15 < echelon> :(
05:15 < echelon> it's the nitro driver for aws
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05:16 < dlg> i know, but we dont have a driver for that
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05:17 < echelon> yeah, i had to resort to freebsd, i converted my openbsd vmdk to an ec2 ami, got it to boot, but it didn't have networking -__
05:18 < dlg> mirroring (rather than just redirecting) traffic in openbsd is very different now
05:19 < dlg> id look at dup-to if you want to use pf
05:19 < dlg> not sure how well supported that is in fbsd though
05:19 < echelon> ok, thanks
05:20 < dlg> gl
05:20 < echelon> 👍
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07:04 < tercaL> Good morning. Is there any nginx.conf to httpd.conf converter - something online perhaps? Or that's an utopia? :=
07:05 < tercaL> I'd love to move all my nginx instances to base httpd, I don't really know if all customizations would correctly get translated into httpd.
07:05 < quinq> They wouldn't
07:05 < quinq> httpd has very limited configuration compared to nginx
07:05 < tercaL> Great!
07:05 < quinq> But of course, it depends on what you're doing with your httpd
07:06 < quinq> It may be very straightforward or not at all…
07:06 < tercaL> well, directory index still no support multiple files, like; "index.html index.htm index.php"?
07:06 < tercaL> for instance^^
07:06 < quinq> Also, some features would have to be done with relayd instead of httpd
07:06 < tercaL> ah
07:06 < armin> tercaL: The thing that would come the most close would be to ask some AI language model to do it. Unless you absolutely know what you're doing (you don't, if you ask that question), don't consider that an option.
07:07 < armin> tercaL: The best thing you can do is forget about that idea and translate it yourself, using a human brain, not a computer.
07:08 < armin> (at least I believe so before having my first coffee...)
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07:10 < armin> I don't think that something like that exists, the best you can do is trying to translate it yourself and then put some config file snippet somewhere for later reference. :)
07:10 < tercaL> armin: Well, that was interesting idea. Just gave it a try, here how ChatGPT made it. Original nginx.conf: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/OvbSc787 - and ChatGPT-converted httpd.conf: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/RZ2nWRQa
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07:13 < armin> tercaL: It's surprisingly good considering an AI did that, but make sure to check every single line carefully before trying that on your machine. :)
07:13 < tercaL> armin: Yep, indeed. The only thing I can see; the "directory index index.html index.htm index.php" line. Not supported yet, I guess.
07:14 < quinq> And inventing options, like header
07:14 < tercaL> quinq: oh
07:14 < quinq> Or creating redirection loops
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07:14 < quinq> “log not” etc.
07:14 < tercaL> Well, love the manual stuff; time to go on hands.
07:15 < armin> :)
07:15 < tercaL> before having my first Kurdish tea
07:16 < tercaL> Well, that was ChatGPT 3.5, perhaps 4.0 would make it better - who knows.. It's been praised a lot.
07:16 < quinq> I'm about to go preparing mine, sencha + ginger + hibiscus :D
07:16 < tercaL> ginger + hibiscus? Nuclear weapon.
07:17 < tercaL> :) Strong and nice.
07:17 < quinq> jaja yeah, it's nice, especially now that winter is coming
07:18 < tercaL> definitely!
07:18 < quinq> How's Kurdish tea? Sounds nice
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11:51 < zyxer> hi
11:51 < uwu_linux_openbs> hello
11:51 < zyxer> I made mistake and now I can't do remove of d permission bit
11:51 < zyxer> dr--r--r--
11:51 < dlg> that means it's a directory
11:52 < zyxer> Oh, then why can't I access it on my webpage?
11:52 < zyxer> dr--r--r--  2 root  daemon     512 Oct 30 12:41 bilder
11:53 < uwu_linux_openbs> it's owned by daemon user
11:53 < zyxer> why it got the 2 bit? And why trying to get an image in there give 403?
11:53 < zyxer> Yes, so are other files in that root directory
11:53 < zyxer> And I can see them just fine
11:53 < zyxer> In browser
11:53 < IcePic> directories need the x bit to
11:54 < zyxer> oh, for all users?
11:54 < IcePic> r for dirs is "read contents", x is "traverse this dir" 
11:55 < zyxer> Thanks, I was going nuts trying to figure this out
11:55 < IcePic> where "read contents" is not contents of files/dirs in it, but rather the dir itself
11:56 < zyxer> Yea, I understand, executing directory = Go through it's content, not just listing what the content is
11:56 < zyxer> Right?
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11:56 < IcePic> right
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12:05 < bz> i'm trying to learn how pf works and wondering when its appropriate to use the quick keyword
12:05 < bz> i see some people use it on every single line turn pf into a first match firewall
12:05 < bz> and other configurations use quick on certain lines but not others which seems to just make it more confusing to follow
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12:12 < IcePic> bz: often it is a matter of taste. Either set one default kind of rule, then quick-rules for exceptions, or have a lot of rules first, then a catch-all default at the bottom. 
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12:12 < IcePic> bz: in the very old days, I think it was meant as a perf-enhancing shortcut, to have a few important quick rules early, then you can have 1000s of crap rules after, which are not affecting main performance.
12:13 < IcePic> I don't think it is as important anymore
12:14 < bz> ah ok
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12:14 < IcePic> mostly because of cpus being ridiculously fast nowadays, and secondly I think the ruleset optimizer will create a tree-like structure, so having 1000s of rules for "udp and port 12345" will not affect tcp to port 80,443
12:14 < bz> its hard to find good examples online for stuff like this, a lot of people copy and paste stuff it seems
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12:14 < IcePic> not that I know in which order the tree runs, but in my example, as soon as it figures your web traffic is tcp, it goes down this branch, and has only to match for port 80 or 443, if not -> default rule
12:15 < bz> im actually trying to configure npf on netbsd but the syntax and the way it works is similar to pf and the netbsd channel is usually dead so i came here
12:16 < bz> and like every configuration ive seen for npf, people use the "final" keyword on every line which is the equivalent to "quick" on pf
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12:18 < IcePic> well, it might not help a lot, since most of us obsd people are not super fond of trying to keep track of what fbsd,nbsd and others PF differs from the pf-at-openbsd-4.6 which most of them took it from. For obsd, that is some 10 years, 20+ releases ago and things have changed (improved, even!) a lot during this time. 
12:21 < IcePic> as for finding online stuff, a wise man once wrote The Pledge of the Network Admin
12:21 < IcePic> This is my network. It is mine, or technically, my employer's;
12:21 < IcePic> it is my responsibility, and I care for it with all my heart.
12:21 < IcePic> There are many other networks a lot like mine, but none are just like it.
12:21 < IcePic> I solemnly swear that I will not mindlessly paste from HOWTOs.
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12:31 < bz> npf isnt a pf fork, its just somewhat similar to it, ie defaults to last match wins
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12:32 < bz> its not too bad though, its a lot nicer than ipfw on freebsd or using an outdated pf fork
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12:34 < bz> i don't have much experience with firewalling and i'm just mainly confused by how the ordering is done and what is best practice
12:36 < oldlaptop> If you're trying to learn how some completely different firewall works, you'll save yourself and everyone else a lot of aggravation if you're honest about that, instead of saying you're trying to learn how pf works.
12:37 < bz> well sorry for causing everyone so much aggravation with my dishonesty
12:38 < bz> glad to see the openbsd community is living up to its reputation as a welcoming and friendly place full of civilized and socially-adept people
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13:06 < IcePic> At least we are alive, as opposed to all the one places they checked before. =)
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13:07 < oldlaptop> (A lot of support channels would /kick for that sort of thing. In part because a lot of support channels are a bit busier)
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14:45 < PyR3X> thoughts on snort vs suricata on OpenBSD? Is one better supported than the other?
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15:45 < remiliascarlet> PyR3X: Snort, if you're giving enough money to DSP.
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15:46 < remiliascarlet> DSP is part fighting game live streamer who sucks at fighting games, and part meme.
15:47 < CNOT> suricata is multithreaded, thats the only benefit maybe
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16:11 < ssm_> multithreading is an anti-feature, until you actually need it
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16:31 < waffles> alright I have returned to take another stab at the audio thing 
16:32 < waffles> my USB DAC is at audio2 at uaudio1
16:33 < waffles> it has 1 ctls, and I have checked that it does work on Linux 
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16:34 < waffles> my rc.conf.local reads: sndiod_flags=-f rsnd/2 -s play -f rsnd/1 -s default -m rec -c 1:1
16:36 < waffles> sndioctl -d reads: input lv 255 mute 0 output lv 127 server.device=0 server.device=1 aucat level 127
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17:14 < waffles> I'm getting this error message now uaudio1: sync play xfer, err=6
17:14 < Bradipo> Yeah, I see that occasionally too.
17:15 < waffles> I still got no sound sadly 
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17:16 < waffles> reddit is saying it can be an issue with having a schiit modius 
17:17 < Bradipo> In my case I usually have sound.
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17:24 < waffles> Ight I'll come back to it later it may require a different computer 
17:24 < waffles> thx for the help so far 
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17:44 < Albright> The web request seems to "hang" when posting large-ish (>1MB maybe) files to my httpd server - the request doesn't complete but it doesn't abort either. I thought maybe I needed to increase the maximum request size but httpd.conf doesn't seem to have such an option. Is this controlled somewhere else?
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17:46 < Bradipo> There is an option for it in httpd.conf
17:47 < Bradipo> Just look at the man page and search for "max"
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17:49 < Albright> Ah, "connection max request body"
17:49 < Albright> Sorry. Not sure how I missed that
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19:59 < solene> yeah ! a special webzine issue found in the wild https://webzine.puffy.cafe/issue-16-special-octopenbsd-2023.html
20:00 < Bradipo> Dated October 31 which hasn't happened yet (at least not here). :-)
20:00 < solene> details
20:00 < solene> :D
20:00 < solene> at least, it's 31th somewhere
20:00 < solene> 31rd ?
20:00 < Bradipo> 31st
20:00 < solene> obviously...
20:02 < Bradipo> So, is running through the installer really the best way to switch from bsd.sp to bsd.mp?
20:02 < phy1729> oh this is a long one!
20:03 < solene> Bradipo: isn't it enough to replace the kernel by bsd.mp and reboot?
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20:04 < Bradipo> Does that play nicely with syspatch, kernel_reorder, &co?
20:04 < byteskeptical> solene: noice
20:04 < phy1729> That's basically all the installer does it seems https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/distrib/miniroot/install.sub#L2978
20:04 < phy1729> Though there's the sha256 line below too
20:04 < solene> Bradipo: ah, right, I think it works with the reorder because if you compile a kernel it works fine. but as for syspatch, not sure...
20:05 < Bradipo> Guess I'll find out.
20:07 < Bradipo> Nop, reorder_kernel failed.
20:07 < solene> you could revert all syspatch, change the kernel, and apply syspatches
20:09 < Bradipo> If I go the installer route, it will wipe out syspatches, right?
20:09 < Bradipo> the relink.log says: make: don't know how to make newbsd
20:11 < thrig> reoder kernel
20:11 < Bradipo> I ran it manually...
20:11 < Bradipo> Didn't get any errors, but I don't know if it was successful.
20:12 < Bradipo> So I'm just running the installer and only selecting bsd files.
20:12 < Bradipo> Guess will see if that works.
20:14 < Bradipo> Nope, that didn't work either.
20:15 < Bradipo> After reboot, it still fails reorder_kernel and in the relink.log: make: don't know how to make newbsd
20:15 < Bradipo> Is the Makefile missing...
20:16 < Bradipo> Seems it is, along with a lot of other files.
20:16 < Bradipo> So what's the proscribed method for switching from bsd.sp to bsd.mp?
20:17 < Bradipo> Not proscribed, prescribed. :-)
20:19 < Bradipo> Maybe I do have to install more than just the bsd* "sets".  Maybe base includes the missing files...
20:20 < ssm_> my mount(8) manpage on 7.4 still says you can mount with softdep, even though softdep was removed in 7.4. Bug?
20:21 < vortexx> ssm_: it still exists as an option but it doesn't have functionality
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20:22 < ssm_> yeah I know it's a no-op, but it should be stated as such in the manpage
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20:23 < crash_> curl -L https://iterm2.com/shell_integration/install_shell_integration_and_utilities.sh | bash
20:29 < fro> ssm_: you should send a patch for the manpage
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20:38 < Bradipo> Looks like I have to upgrade bsd* and baseXX.tgz for the reorder_kernel to succeed.
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22:15 < mxz> hi, I just upgraded to openbsd 7.4 (first major release upgrade since I'm seriously running services on there). After running `pkg_add -u` it tells me to check a couple configuration files that "were modified". I didn't find a modifaction or the diff algorithm didn't mess with my changed settings. For example: "You should also check /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf (which was modified)" 
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22:16 < mxz> Could I have seen the changes when I ran `sysmerge` with the `-d` flag? (I ran it without the flag)
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22:18 < uwharrie> Pretty sure sysmerge is for the base system, not packages but if it does, the man page documents the backup location for modified files
22:20 < mxz> ah yes. that's right I think. sysmerge does not have anything to do with a `pkg_add -u`. 
22:23 < mxz> it's nice that pkg_add tells me to check modified configuration files though
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22:35 < pardis> mxz: the message is misleading
22:35 < pardis> what it means is that the *packaged* version of the file has changed, but because it's a configuration file, it didn't update it on your system since you might have local customisations
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22:37 < mxz> pardis: ooohh. I see. thanks. The other message I'm trying to figure out is "You should also run rm -rf /var/dovecot/*". why? there is quite a lot of stuff in there. do I have to stop the service first?
22:37 < pardis> I think that is a stock message for removing a package, and pkg_add is confused because it removed one version to install another
22:37 < pardis> the pkg_* tools are kind of terrible at communication
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22:38 < mxz> ok, so I better don't remove the contents of that folder 
22:40 < pardis> I wouldn't, no
22:40 < pardis> I usually ignore most of pkg_*'s messages
22:40 < pardis> occasionally I'll check a config file if I know there's been a breaking change I might need to address
22:41 < ssm_> I'm thinking of setting up a directory structure of ~/Account/domain/{username,encrypted_randomized_password} for my accounts for various things, my question is  if there is there a way to encrypt multiple files with the same password using openssl(1)
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