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09:11 < kodcode> Hello. This is my .profile https://clbin.com/0IM1o - why doesn't {PWD} show the present directory rather always my home directory, and how do I fix that?
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09:18 < IcePic> kodcode: it evaluates when .profile is parsed, not every time the prompt is to be written out
09:20 < IcePic> kodcode: "man ksh" , search for PS1, notice that \w might be what you actually wanted to have in the PS1 env
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09:26 < kodcode> IcePic: Excellent. Thanks.
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11:06 < thalos> Does anyone know if openbsd's libpcap support select()/poll() on a fd from a bpf device (opened with pcap_open_live)? I see that pcap_get_selectable_fd() returns the bpf fd but both selete() and poll() hangs until the read buffer is full (which could take a long time). pcap_next() (and pcap_loop() return as soon as there are data on the bpf fd...
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12:32 < jca> thalos: "but both sele[ct]() and poll() hangs until the read buffer is full (which could take a long time)" I would expect poll or select to return immediately with a zero timeout / timeval, as documented
12:33 < sibiria> you need to set the socket to non-blocking for select() to do that
12:34 < sibiria> using fcntl()
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12:37 < joukahainen> huh, aarch64 clz counts 'leading zeros' in big-endian
12:37 < joukahainen> definitely more useful that way, but a bit confusing until I used the debugger
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13:12 < renaud> sibiria: I have been able to power the VM again with a loop of something like "oci compute instance action --action start"
13:12 < renaud> it took 1 or 2 hours :)
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13:22 < sibiria> renaud: the effort is worth some kudos. brute force it
13:22 < renaud> yes, I don't like brute forcing like this, but the ticket I opened didn't lead anywhere useful
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15:31 < Bradipo> relayd.conf talks about Redirections, however, pf.conf also has redirections... and it also has round-robin redirections, etc...
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15:32 < Bradipo> Is the primary benefit to using relayd for redirections the fact that it can do "health checks" to automatically remove target addresses from the round-robin?
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15:34 < thrig> or it knows about higher levels of the OSI stack
15:35 < Bradipo> Well, a redirect in relayd claims it's layer 3.
15:35 < Bradipo> relays, on the other hand, are on layer 7.
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16:39 < thalos> sibiria: Really? Linux, freebsd and netbsd all return as soon as there are data to be read.. Is the openbsd implementation diffrent for the BPF?
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16:39 < thalos> jca: Exactly, on linux, netbsd and freebsd this program works as expected.. Only OpenBSD "hangs" untill the read buffer is basically full...
16:40 < sibiria> thalos: no; in order for select() to *not* block when no data is waiting, the sockets in the set need to be set to non-blocking
16:41 < sibiria> by default the FDs will be blocking, and select() will wait until there's data or until timeout
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17:00 < thalos> sibiria: Right, I missunderstood.. I know how select/poll works.. The problem is that select/poll doesn't behave like it should. I know there *should* be data ready on the fd, so poll/select should return.. But in OpenBSD, poll/select doesn't return untill the entire BPF buffer is full.. On linux/netbsd/freebsd my program works, but not on openbsd
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17:11 < jca> sibiria: huh, if so that's specific to bpf sockets, other sockets shouldn't block in poll(timeout=0), even in blocking mode
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17:12 < jca> I guess what makes bpf(4) different is the presence/setting of the BIOCIMMEDIATE ioctl
17:12 < jca> anyway, I'll stop there, I'm no bpf hacker
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17:23 < sibiria> jca: i honestly don't know if timeout 0 means no blocking or never to timeout. the way i learned it aeons ago was to specifically set sockets as non-blocking before adding them to the sets
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17:33 < thalos> jca: Aha, BPF ioctl's was actually gonna be my next avenue to investigate.. I grepped for BIOCIMMEDIATE in the openbsd libpcap source and this flag is actually set under certain conditions. I bet the "normal" libpcap functions like pcap_next() and pcap_loop() (which works as expected) set this flag somewhere. Thanks! You might be on to something.. I'll look into it
17:34 < Bradipo> Can pf be used to redirect to a host that is on a different subnet than any of the subnets connected to pf?
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17:39 < lts> AFAIK yes but you need to nat it https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/rdr.html
17:39 < IcePic> I think so too
17:51 < echelon> do you need ip forwarding?
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17:52 < Bradipo> Ek9frok(
17:53 < Bradipo> Dyb9dred`
17:54 < thrig> if those are Hunter2 they probably should be changed
17:54 < Bradipo> Yeah, not sure what Hunter2 is.
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18:04 < lts> All those jokes lost in time, like tears in rain. https://web.archive.org/web/20230714161217/http://bash.org/?244321
18:05 < Bradipo> Yeah, apparently I've never heard of it.
18:05 < Bradipo> Makes me wonder if it's a joke on those who believe it or a joke on AzureDiamond. :-)
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18:07 < Bradipo> Or even moreso a joke on Cthon98 who thought he was pulling the wool over AzureDiamond, when in reality it was AzureDiamond just stringing him along.
18:12 < eea> just got new openbsd tshirt, very happy with upgraded shirt quality
18:15 < oldlaptop> which one?
18:16 < oldlaptop> (IIRC there's three or four different kinds of shirt)
18:16 < eea> the "heavy tee" variant
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19:17 < armin> eea: the one I have (the 7.3 shirt) says "premium tee" in the order, looks like "heavy tee" starts with the 7.4 one?
19:19 < armin> The quality is pretty fine though, will order a heavy tee next time it seems. :)
19:20 < armin> thrig: hunter2 is the canonical password.
19:22 < armin> Bradipo: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hunter2
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19:35 < orwell> Theo said five days ago, that there are disruptive amd64 snapshots ahead. Will there be an announcement when they are "safe" again?
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19:36 < armin> orwell: I'm pretty sure you will notice, and my understanding is that it only affects you if you're on current.
19:37 < orwell> yeah, I'm on current with some systems. If I notice, then it's maybe too late.
19:37 < thrig> or use things from ports that don't worky no more
19:37 < armin> But meh, too much new stuff for me going on right now, is that the syscall-syscall thing?
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19:38 < orwell> How long will this period last? Is it about two weeks or more like two months?
19:39 < uwharrie> it'll be over when it's over
19:39 < orwell> sure
19:41 < orwell> but will there be an announcement when it's over?
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19:42 < uwharrie> I haven't seen anything on the mailing lists indicating there will or won't be one
19:42 < orwell> That's why I'm asking
19:43 < armin> Me neither, but considering how well informed people who follow the MLs closely usually are, I'd say you'll hear it here, first.
19:43 < brynet> orwell: The particular "disruptive" change that was being tested was a partial version of the syscall(2) removal, that just returned ENOSYS.
19:43 < sibiria> you signed up for this when choosing snapshots
19:43 < brynet> That has been removed from snaps now, as I understand. But there may be other things being tested as well. If you don't want to be a part of that, don't run snaps.
19:43 < uwharrie> see any discussion of snapshots for your responsibilities when using them
19:44 < orwell> I'm not complaining. I just curious about the state. Thanks brynet
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19:45 < armin> orwell: I've been in that situation with other operating systems in the past, for whatever reason you need the unstable distribution and then it comes and hurts you.
19:45 < armin> orwell: feel ya.
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19:48 < uwharrie> test twice, deploy once
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19:50 < Bradipo> orwell: Where did Theo say this 5 days ago?
19:51 < orwell> Bradipo, tech@
19:52 < armin> Bradipo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=169859324508743&w=2
19:52 < uwharrie> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=169837768314690&w=2
19:52 < Bradipo> Ahh, tech... I was looking through misc.
19:52 < Bradipo> Found this gem though: https://marc.info/?t=169876400400001&r=1&w=2
19:53 < zelest> As long as firefox works, then I'm good. :-)
19:53 < Bradipo> Firefox doesn't need any help from OpenBSD to break, unfortunately.
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19:53 < armin> ah yea uwharrie found the one
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19:53 < zelest> I run the beta Firefox and it works lovely.
19:53 < uwharrie> there's a new influx of crackpots on the MLs
19:53 < armin> that doesn't mean that running beta software is generally pain-free though. :)
19:54 < zelest> I don't mind some pain
19:54 < zelest> I gladly run into some pain and fix/report it for the greater good of everyone else :)
19:54 < armin> same :)
19:54 < armin> (even though I still never ran snaps...)
19:55 < zelest> I run -current on my laptop and -stable everywhere else, with vm.malloc_conf=CFGJUR>>
19:55 < zelest> and as said, firefox beta on my laptop
19:56 < Bradipo> I just wish I could get qcad working again.  I've tried downloading the latest and compiling separate from ports.  Still crashes.
19:57 < Bradipo> Maybe I should resurrect the old port before qcad was upgraded.
19:57 < zelest> How/why does it crash though?
19:57 < Bradipo> Some nasty stack trace in QT:
19:57 < Bradipo> https://marc.info/?t=166019228900001&r=1&w=2
19:59 < zelest> :/
19:59 < Bradipo> LibreCAD appears to be a "clone", but it's interface is not as neat unfortunately.
19:59 < zelest> Way beyond my skill-level
20:00  * zelest needs to learn/understand how inputs works in Xorg
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20:04 < xse> upgrading a stable system made me realize i had forgotten to run the bioctl iteration stuff from upgrade74.html on a -current laptop, easy to miss
20:05 < Bradipo> xse: Hmm, I haven't read that yet... I guess I should.  I installed a new 7.4, but not an upgrade.
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20:06 < uwharrie> it's a non-breaking change
20:06 < Bradipo> Bah, looks like my admin user now has to be in _shutdown as well as operator... ok.
20:06 < Bradipo> the operator change, on the other hand, is a breaking change.
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20:09 < zelest> xse, Good catch and thanks for the reminder. :-)
20:10 < zelest> It's scary to change password though, seeing I use a swedish keyboard layout when changing password, but an english when rebooting.
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20:11 < sibiria> permanent EINVÄLIDPÄSSWÖRD on an FDE disk label is fatal
20:12 < zelest> :D
20:12 < armin> sibiria: hunter2 is the canonical password.
20:13 < zelest> hmms, interesting.. entering my old key outputs:
20:14 < zelest> Deriving key using bcrypt PBKDF with 16 rounds...
20:14 < zelest> specifying the new one outputs:
20:14 < zelest> Deriving key using bcrypt PBKDF with 289 rounds...
20:14 < zelest> quite an improvement :D
20:14 < zelest> (or I read/understand it completely wrong)
20:14 < xse> making it harder to bruteforce i assume, tho i really have no clue
20:15 < sibiria> that's what it does
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20:16 < Bradipo> More rounds make it harder both for online and offline brute force attacks, yes.
20:16 < xse> sweet! not that i expect many people to try but that's always welcome
20:18 < armin> FVWM keeps fascinating me, I never fully understood that thing, tried it 4 or 5 times over 25 years or something, and never was able to fully stick with it. What a rabbit-hole this little thing is.
20:19 < armin> I'm happy with DWM anyways, I should just forget that FVWM even exists.
20:19 < Bradipo> Haha, yes, I use FVWM on some installs just for fun.
20:20 < armin> What a fascinating piece of software, it's so trivially simple to get lost.
20:20 < Bradipo> I once had a highly customized .fvwmrc but I've since lost it, so now I just tweak a few things like xterm invocation and adding a few menu items.
20:20 < armin> Bradipo: same. :)
20:20 < armin> That's 17 years ago I believe.
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20:20 < Bradipo> Even twm is fascinating and I often launch that when I just need a really basic WM.
20:21 < armin> Yea that's DWM for me, I took 3 weeks to do NOTHING but customizing it.
20:21 < armin> The result is mindblowing.
20:22 < armin> It's *very* close to zero-latency on this Ryzen 9 here.
20:22 < Bradipo> I've played with dwm too and scrotwm.  I ran a tiling WM for a couple of years on a laptop for fun.
20:22 < armin> I can recommend you spectrwm for exactly that use-case. :)
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20:23 < Bradipo> Yeah, that's another I've used.
20:23 < armin> And if you feel really adventurous and got a couple days of free time, definitely, by all means, try DWM.
20:24 < armin> I'm currently having A LOT OF fun with a singlecore thinclient with 4GB of RAM that runs WMaker though.
20:24 < armin> I forgot how capable that thing is even on slow hardware.
20:25 < armin> Probably the best piece of software GNU ever had.
20:26 < armin> <3 wmaker.
20:27 < armin> Talking about OpenBSD, 7.3 was the mind-opener release for me. Suddenly sooooooooo many things just worked out of the box.
20:28 < armin> Nothing to worry about, just install and have fun.
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20:42 < armin> What really bothers me: I have 2 mutt installations (as different users) on the same machine so I can read a) my private mail and b) the OpenBSD MLs. Same configuration except the credentials, the one resizes just fine when I resize the terminal, the other doesn't.
20:42 < armin> I'm thinking something weird with doas, but no idea where to start looking.
20:43 < thrig> TERM
20:43 < armin> screen-256color because inside tmux
20:43 < thrig> even after the doas does things?
20:43 < armin> yup
20:44 < armin> but good pointer, $TERM
20:44 < armin> thank you
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21:06 < topcat001> armin: slightly offtopic, but could you not switch between accounts from within mutt?
21:08 < topcat001> (I have personal/work outlook, gmail, ML everything in the same mutt assigned to F-n keys, for example)
21:08 < Bradipo> Are they local accounts or IMAP/POP?
21:09 < topcat001> IMAP in my case
21:09 < topcat001> good point
21:11 < Bradipo> There aren't many that still host their own email because the Gmail Borg^H^H^H^HCartel has made it more difficult than ever, but there are still a few.
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21:21 < armin> topcat001: Will look into that, thank you!
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21:54 < topcat001> cool :)
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23:58 < hardkorebob> ca I just cp -r / /home/chroot work?
23:58 < hardkorebob> i know it will copy the filesystem but i prob need something to keep it from getting recursive right
23:59 < hardkorebob> i will go read the manual
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