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00:46 < pardis> might also want to consider a proper password manager
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00:49 < ssm_> pardis: ~/Account/domain/{login,pass.bf}
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01:32 < tozhu> hello, is it possible to set MTU to 9000 on a bridge device ?
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05:11 < MaddieKalan> How on earth is this even possible? "/dev/sd0e      1.2G    1.2G   -766K   101%    /var"
05:11 < MaddieKalan> output of df -h
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05:13 < jrmu> MaddieKalan: some blocks are reserved and not counted as part of the 100%
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05:13 < MaddieKalan> jrmu: Oh? But its not like my /var is going to be corrupted now, right?
05:14 < jrmu> no, it just means there is a little extra, I think to prevent applications from suddenly dying by using too much disk
05:15 < jrmu> just clear out extra space on /var and you should be fine (or grow the size of /var)
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05:19 < MaddieKalan> Ah, then thats solved.  I just deleted the useless node_modules.
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05:22 < jrmu> excellent
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06:06 < IcePic> MaddieKalan: root gets to use more space in an fs than normal users
06:07 < IcePic> there is root-only space in some sense. 
06:07 < IcePic> problem in /var is that many daemons start or run as root, so you can move it past this limit, whereas /home would stop for users far sooner and not get into the last few percent of the space. 
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06:08 < IcePic> (for reasons, the partitions behave worse when you are >95%, and stuff get ugly and fragmented which is why the limit defaults to this value)
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07:07 < MaddieKalan> Makes good sense.
07:07 < MaddieKalan> Thanks.
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07:31 < zelest> When ports are built, what does USE_WXNEEDED really? Or is it just added to keep track of what ports that require WX?
07:32 < zelest> E.g, is the real WX check done at wxallowed?
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07:32 < zelest> I guess the question I'm trying to ask, a package built without USE_WXNEEDED, but located on a wxallowed mountpoint, can it use WX? :)
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07:58 < pardis> it requires both
07:58 < pardis> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/2f4809884632ab0edb533ab9efb40ef71d5dbe71/sys/uvm/uvm_mmap.c#L168-L193
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09:05 < bruflu> e
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09:22 < zelest> pardis, Ah, thanks!
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10:11 < kulu> I'm trying to install xfce but I get a lot of can't install can't resolve libxfce4ui errors.
10:11 < kulu> I did a sysupgrade to 7.4 current just a while back
10:14 < kulu> oh nvm  pkg_check fixed it
10:25 < kulu> I installed xfce xfce-extras packages and entered exec startxfce4 in.xsession but when it shows the openbsd gui login screen it returns to the same page when I enter the credentials 
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10:40 < kulu> alright, it's fixed
10:40 < kulu> but xfce takes a minute to display from startxfce4
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10:54 < renaud> does OpenBSD run on rpi5 ?
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12:00 < echelon> renaud: it runs on arm, so you can presume that it will run on any pi, but that doesnt guarantee all drivers will be supported
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12:15 < Lucas6023> echelon: that's far from true
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12:16 < echelon> oh ok
12:16 < pardis> indeed, there are some pi models it certainly does not run on
12:16 < echelon> well no one answered him
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13:11 < renaud> echelon: thanks for answering :)
13:11 < renaud> I was only wondering if someone tried
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13:17 < renaud> it's not that easy to get a rpi5 at the moment anyway
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13:51 < markand> hey, I have a vm frozen in the state: 35583 _vmd      10    0  772M  459M run/0     fsleep   75.3H 99.07% vmd
13:51 < markand> what can I try before force shutdown of it?
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13:53 < markand> hmmm, vmctl console of it throws an infinite loop of scsi_xfer pool exhausted
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14:56 < tercaL> Good evening, have a wonderful weekend ahead.
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15:53 < nature> Hi, did anyone ever use qmk for building a keyboard firmware on OpenBSD?
15:55 < nature> I managed to go pretty far in the compilation process, but now it fails at the linking stage with the following error: "/usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/12.2.0/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lg_nano: No such file or directory"
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15:59 < nature> So it seems I am missing a libg_nano.a file somewhere
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16:19 < dfdx> is it dangerous to change root's default shell from ksh to bash?
16:19 < dfdx> I think "no", but I just want to double check. 
16:20 < pardis> depends on what exactly you mean by "dangerous"
16:20 < pardis> if you are okay with being unable to log in as root, then no
16:21 < oldlaptop> As a general rule, don't change root's shell.
16:21 < dfdx> hmmm... okay, thank you. i'll look into why i would be able to login as root if I chsh to bash. thank you for the pointer!
16:22 < dfdx> yeah, its not necessary. it's not a hill i'm going to die on. was just curious.
16:22 < pardis> you'll find out next time you sysupgrade and the kernel ABI has changed so your old bash package no longer works until you pkg_add -u
16:22 < oldlaptop> also, if something goes wrong, /usr/local may not be available. /usr may not even be available.
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16:23 < oldlaptop> /bin and /sbin sort of constitute the core recovery system, the handful of programs that you're most likely to have even if everything else is broken
16:23 < dfdx> oldlaptop: ahhh, that argument makes sense to me. 
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16:25 < uwharrie> also, what features does bash have that ksh lacks that make spending a lot of time in a root shell worth thinking about switching?
16:27 < dfdx> obviously nothing *necessary*.
16:28 < dfdx> but I ssh around to several different computers, some linux, some openbsd. and I have a very nice PS1 in bash that colors my user and hostname so when I'm in a terminal I don't get confused.
16:28 < dfdx> and when I'm root, which is rare, my [user@host] changes so the user is a red color. I like that.
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16:31 < dfdx> granted... I can get color in a ksh prompt, too. I was just being lazy I guess.
16:32 < Bradipo> I don't spend enough time  using the root account to make it worth customizing beyond what PS1='\$ ' provides.
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16:38 < dfdx> I've changed the PS1 in /root/.profile to what i want, and now I have colors and everything. so it's all fine. I was just lazy. However, I seem to only be able to get those colors when I run "$ su -l".  Running "$ su" just gets me a very, very basic "hostname# " prompt. so weird.
16:39 < uwharrie> not weird at all. .profile is only read for login shells
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16:43 < vortexx> dfdx: su - will load the root profile. So many people don't seem to know that "su" isn't enough...
16:44 < thrig> ye olde login shell problem
16:44 < dfdx> vortexx: "man su" says "su -" is depreciated and the same as "su -l"
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16:45 < Bradipo> Yes, it's been "deprecated" for a long time.
16:45 < Bradipo> But it still works.
16:45 < eea> i still use it, damn near daily
16:45 < Bradipo> Yes, I still use it too.
16:46 < quinq> You band of rebels
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17:17 < Bradipo> quinq: Why type more characters than necessary?
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17:20 < dfdx> because not everything is about efficiency.
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17:36 < jonadab> Because when some idiot puts Poettering in charge of re-implementing su as a multi-gigabyte monstrosity that also takes over the functionality of thirty other programs, maybe the deprecated stuff won't work any more.
17:38 < Bradipo> Fortunately, when I find that Linux isn't working the way I expect, I install OpenBSD.
17:41 < oldlaptop> Next subject line on source-changes@: tedu su - (nobody should be using this anymore)
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17:55 < jonadab> Bradipo: Hehe.
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18:24 < armin> When I have the feeling I don't understand my computer anymore due to systemd, yes, that's the point where I reach for some BSD USB stick.
18:26 < armin> At least if I anyhow can. Admittedly that's not always possible depending on the context (I get paid for trying to control Linux boxes, too), but yeah, when I have the feeling I want to understand my computer, installing OpenBSD absolutely comes to mind.
18:27 < armin> systemd feels like a failed evolutionary experiment to me.
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18:28 < dfdx> I am having trouble cloning a git repo from cgit. if this is not the right channel please let me know, but the reason I ask is i'm not sure if its a cgit config error or an httpd config error. Basically, I have my own git repo and I can see it on my cgit webpage. I can git clone using a very tedious "$ git clone pub@pub.website.com:/var/www/htdocs/src/project01.git". But when I try to run "$ git clone 
18:28 < dfdx> https://pub.website.com/project01.git" I get a "fatal: repository not found" error. 
18:28 < dfdx> wondering if this is httpd not being set-up correctly? not sure if anyone here has setup cgit before.
18:29 < Bradipo> I've only ever setup Git with SSH, not HTTP.
18:29 < dfdx> i'm also trying to do it so I can run "$ git clone git://pub.website.com/project01.git" but i'm running into a similar error: "errno=Connection refused"
18:31 < thrig> for git to work over HTTP the HTTP needs to be setup aright. same story for the git protocol
18:34 < IcePic> connection refused sounds like no daemon is answering on that port, or that pf blocks that port
18:39 < dfdx> hm... maybe its a gitdaemon problem, then. thank you.
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19:36 < tercaL> I installed an e-mail service, sort of all-in-one package, rebooted my server and then I noticed there are changes like; kern.seminfo.semmni=1024, kern.seminfo.semmns=1200, kern.seminfo.semmnu=60, kern.seminfo.semmsl=120 and kern.seminfo.semopm=200 in my sysctl.conf. I guess these are some specific postgresql-based optimizations, right? I haven't selected PostgreSQL, though (went with MariaDB), so I wanted to ask, do these lines still matter, so that I 
19:36 < tercaL> should keep or not? Thanks.
19:38 < uwharrie> you should be asking the maintainers of whatever package you installed that changed them
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19:45 < et09> did a system upgrade, soon after (or before? haven't sent an email for a while) any external facing email is giving: result="451 Temporary failure: <theaddress>"
19:45 < Lucas6023> I second uwharrie. In particular, the ports don't modify /etc/sysctl.conf, so this is something 100% done by the all-in-one package provider.
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19:46 < Lucas6023> et09: that can be 618379681 different things
19:46 < et09> smtp failed-command command="RCPT TO:<theaddress" result="451..." really 
19:46 < et09> IP isn't blacklisted according to check 
19:46 < Lucas6023> share your config, and then maybe we can help.
19:46 < et09> ok, 1 sec
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19:46 < Lucas6023> also, there is #opensmptd
19:47 < et09> right, thanks
19:47 < dfdx> IcePic: thanks for having me look into git-daemon, that seemed to clear up alot of stuff for me. However, I still think I'm doing something wrong with httpd. OpenBSD is now running git-daemon on the default port 9814. For example, within my LAN, I can, from another machine, run "$ git clone git://openbsdIPAddress/project01.git" and it works great. However, I also have a doman name as I'm hosting a small 
19:47 < dfdx> hobbyist website. I can go to https://website.com and my httpd config handles port 80 and port 443 (TLS) just fine. However, "$ git clone git://website.com/project01.git" does not work. Do I need to make an entry in /etc/httpd.conf to listen on port 9814? Or is this a DNS problem? 
19:51 < Bradipo> et09: 451 is a temporary redjecction.
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19:51 < et09> moving it to the other channel per his request
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19:51 < Bradipo> Oh, there's a separate channel, interesting.
19:51 < et09> multiple servers do it 
19:52 < Bradipo> dfdx: Does the error that you get suggest a DNS error?
19:55 < dfdx> kind of. More specifically, I have two subdomains: www.website.com and pub.website.com. within my LAN, I can use git clone using the git:// protocol just fine. However, when I'm outside of my LAN, i'm not sure how this works, exactly. do I do "$ git clone git://www.website.com/project01.git" or "$ git clone git://pub.website.com/project01.git"? that's why i think perhaps httpd needs to help here. but i'm 
19:55 < dfdx> not sure.
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19:57 < dfdx> so far I have used httpd only for ports 80 and 443, and i have had no problems. but git:// is obviously not http nor https. so on the other hand i'm not sure if this can be solved in /etc/httpd.conf.
19:58 < Bradipo> gitdaemon suggests that it is its own daemon that binds its own ports.
19:58 < Bradipo> Just like the smtpd daemon uses port 25 to communicate, not 80 or 443.
19:58 < dfdx> right. according to git-daemon(1), the "DEFAULT_GIT_PORT" is 9418.
19:58 < Bradipo> The gitdaemon probably has it's own port that doesn't rely on httpd.
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19:59 < Bradipo> As for your question, "what do I do outside of my LAN".   Well that depends entirely on where gitdaemon is listening and what names resolve outside your LAN.
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20:01 < Bradipo> Also, rather than having httpd help, you'll more likely want to use pf and/or relayd.
20:02 < dfdx> okay, thanks. I still have not yet learned how to use pf and relayd. I will look into it, thanks.
20:02 < dfdx> becuase yea, I'm not sure how to make "$ git clone git://pub.website.com/project01.git" work but prohibit "$ git clone git://www.website.com/project01.git". 
20:03 < Bradipo> Well, do they resolve to the same IP?
20:03 < dfdx> yes. but httpd makes sure that they point to different subdirectories in /var/www/htdocs.
20:04 < dfdx> and my git repos are stored within /var/www/htdocs/pub.website.com/
20:04 < Bradipo> But you're not using httpd, you're using gitdaemon.
20:04 < dfdx> of course, but when you said "they" I thought you were referencing pub.website.com and www.website.com.
20:04 < Bradipo> I don't know much about gitdaemon, so I may be wrong, but it sounds like you're confusing 2 different methods for hosting a Git repository.
20:05 < Bradipo> Yes, I did mean what do the two names resolve to...
20:05 < Bradipo> If they resolve to the same IP, then I don't know if gitdaemon has the ability to distinguish between clients requesting "pub" and clients requesting "www".
20:06 < dfdx> https://pub.website.com and https://www.website.com both point to 192.168.1.78. httpd is configured so that https://www.website.com points to my dinky website, and https://pub.website.com points to cgit, which is a web frontend for git repos (https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/).
20:07 < tercaL> Is "hw.smt=1" in sysctl.conf ineffective now? sysctl hw.ncpuonline reports "8", both with "hw.smt=0" and "hw.smt=1" (reboots issued)
20:07 < Bradipo> Bad analogy: Does the recipient of a phone call know whether the caller used the yellow pages to look up the phone number, or the white pages?
20:07 < dfdx> I can *see* the repos via the browser. and I can interact (i.e., clone, fetch, pull, push) to the git repos via ssh. I was just hoping that, if one doesn't have ssh, they could at least clone the repos.
20:08 < dfdx> Bradipo: yeah, i know. that's why i was wondering if it made sense to add an entry in /etc/httpd.conf that has it listen on port 9418.
20:08 < Bradipo> httpd != gitdaemon.
20:08 < eea> relayd
20:10 < dfdx> yeah, I think relayd is what I ultimately need to use.
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20:25 < zyxer> How good support does WWAN have?
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20:26 < zyxer> I was given this old ass laptop that claims to have WWAN and it had a hidden stash and out fell a SIM card
20:27 < Bradipo> Very likely some kind of modem device that you would have to use.
20:28 < zyxer> Are those seen as network interfaces ?
20:28 < Bradipo> Modems.
20:28 < Bradipo> Usually.
20:28 < Bradipo> I could be wrong since I don't actually have one.
20:29 < Bradipo> Do you have a dmesg?
20:29 < vortexx> zyxer: probably as a cdce device
20:30 < zyxer> I can come with all that info soon. In around an hour
20:32 < zyxer> If I get WWAN to work I am thriwing out my wifi
20:33 < Bradipo> Well, you have to have active service on it.
20:34 < Bradipo> I doubt the previous owner left an active SIM card.
20:35 < zyxer> Nah that'd be rude of me. I will use my own 
20:36 < zyxer> If it is awesome then there are even phone drivers on OpenBSD and I can take calls and all. But I don't expect that.
20:38 < zyxer> I am willing to pay to not need wifi. So I'll just pay some extra to... Wait... When was 4G "invented"/put into practice?  
20:38 < zyxer> My local area shut down all 2G and 3G towers. If the modem doesn't support 4G I need to change it or cry about it
20:39 < Bradipo> Yeah, same here.  It's a shame really.
20:39 < jonadab> I think the very first 4G stuff came out around 2005ish?
20:39 < jonadab> But it was a while before the rollout reached most areas.
20:40 < jonadab> When a piece of hardware would need to have been manufactured to support it, likely depends how high-end it was in its day.
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20:41 < jonadab> Some parts of the world still have active 3G networks.
20:42 < jonadab> But the major providers shut down their 3G networks in this area (central Ohio) a few months ago.
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20:43 < zyxer> Panasonic toughbook from 2008
20:43 < zyxer> There is hope
20:43 < zyxer> 2G gonna live longer than 3G
20:44 < jonadab> Eh, 2G networks were shut down around here a fair while ago.  Maybe ten years ago?
20:44 < zyxer> I hate 4G, I hate 5G, the tracking capabilities are way wayyy higher than 2G. 
20:44 < zyxer> What? Really? Here 3G is gonna get yeeted first. 
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20:45 < zyxer> because it has fewer towers, I think
20:45 < Bradipo> I had 3G until just this year.
20:45 < Bradipo> They shutdown 3G at the beginning of the year.
20:46 < jonadab> Yeah, a lot of people complained bitterly at the time, because the cellphone company had some weird contract with a phone maker that wouldn't allow them to acknowledge the existence of third-party phones, and so their sales people were required to lie to people and tell them that there was no longer going to be any such thing as a working flip phone, they would *have* to get a smart phone.  Annoyed a LOT 
20:46 < jonadab> of older people.  When 3G was shutting down, that contract had expired and they automatically shipped out replacement flip phones to flip-phone users.
20:47 < jonadab> Much better for customer relations.
20:49 < jonadab> But yeah, in more general terms, which networks shut down when varies depending on where you live.
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20:49 < jonadab> Though I doubt if there's a working analog cellular (retroactively, 1G) network anywhere in the world at this point.
20:50 < jonadab> Because the places that had them in the first place, are big cities and tend to be on the leading edge of tech adoption.
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21:08 < codermattie> zyxer: just get a burner phone at 7-11
21:10 < zyxer> Over here you need to register with ID for a SIM card
21:10 < zyxer> New rules since this year
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21:10 < zyxer> or last
21:11 < codermattie> pay a homeless/addict to straw buy one for you
21:13 < codermattie> zyxer: over here we have 10s of 1000s of addicts that will do anything for 20 bucks
21:18 < codermattie> zyxer: if you really want to disappear read "extreme privacy - how to dissapear"
21:19 < codermattie> zyxer: the author also has a blog, I saw it on the apple app but you can prob listen from anywhere
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21:30 < Bradipo> zyxer: What does "register with ID" mean?
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21:30 < thrig> presumably you present your fake ID
21:34 < oldlaptop> https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/fakeid.png
21:36 < codermattie> besides if you cant bribe the sales clerk you need to seriously work on your social engineering skills
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21:39 < codermattie> we used to bribe the pizza shop all the time to get delivery in 10 minutes with extras
21:39 < Bradipo> Sounds like just doing business to me.
21:39 < Bradipo> Nothing wrong with paying  the pizza joint a little extra money to get better service.
21:40 < codermattie> we bribed them in weed
21:40 < codermattie> at the time that was illegal
21:40 < Bradipo> In-kind payments are also legitimate. :-)
21:40 < codermattie> the drivers knew our number and would fight over who delivered to us
21:43 < codermattie> unless your willing to go off-grid you cant really hide, police/government people have backdoored everything
21:44 < codermattie> there are a couple of phones that tried to defy the backdoors, but the government shut them down on the reason that they were used by the cartels
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21:45 < codermattie> https://puri.sm/posts/introducing-the-liberty-phone/
21:46 < codermattie> this is about the best you can get, if your willing to pay 2-3k for a phone
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21:51 < il> Not getting a phone would be more sensible
21:51 < zyxer> Bradipo: Regidter with ID means that you upload a photo of your passport or other legit ID, drivers license etc. 
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21:52 < zyxer> il: Work requires me to have phone 
21:52 < codermattie> use someone elses ID
21:52 < codermattie> only way to get around it
21:53 < Bradipo> zyxer: I see. I thought perhaps that ID was some agency with which one had to register to use SIM.
21:53 < codermattie> zyxer: have you tried google images search for ids?
21:54 < zyxer> No
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21:55 < il> zyxer, if it requires you to have phone, they should provide you with one
21:56 < zyxer> I know
21:56 < il> stupid companies
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22:03 < vi-user> hello, all, I'm having some problems configuring rad and slaacd
22:03 < vi-user> for some reason the default route remains the link local address
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22:04 < ReBo> I got gifted a iBook G4 (white shell, notebook format, functuning battery). besides it being a cool tech thing, what to do?
22:05 < zyxer> Daily drive?
22:06 < uwharrie> send it to electronics recycling?
22:07 < ReBo> Feels wrong to not use it, as it IS a pivital thing when it is a formfactor.
22:07 < Bradipo> PowerPC G4.
22:08 < Bradipo> Maybe you can get OpenBSD on it.  Might be a fun project.
22:08 < zyxer> It already is there
22:08 < Bradipo> I have laptops that are older than that running OpenBSD, but they are i386.
22:08 < zyxer> Up to last week iMac G3 was my daily driver, OpenBSD
22:08 < nedko> recycling++ for all apple religion warship devices
22:08 < ReBo> MIGHT donate it to chalmers as a museum artifact. But I think I could use it, in some wierd way.  Fore some reason, OpenBSD works better on it than NetBSD, 
22:08 < nedko> like, waste recycling
22:09 < zyxer> ReBo dude, that is wanted by OpenBSD devs
22:09 < zyxer> They are asking for MacPPC hardware
22:09 < ReBo> That might be a thing to do, just send it to them, and be done.
22:10 < ReBo> Need to find the cash for it (i'm broke, but yes, this might be something)
22:10 < zyxer> https://www.openbsd.org/want.html
22:10 < vi-user> anyone have any experience with slaacd and rad?
22:10 < Bradipo> armin: You're the resident IPv6 guru... any thoughts? :-)
22:12 < ReBo> zyxer: This IS the way, just need to get some actual postal adresses from them to send it to. Thanks for the tip!
22:13 < zyxer> Mail Theo De Raadt about it
22:13 < zyxer> Ask where to donate the MacPPC hardware
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22:13 < ReBo> I shoiuld get some catpics with it before, but yes, this is the way to do it, I have no use for it other as a clunky tipewriter. 
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22:19 < ReBo> Sent a mail. Not, lets hope I get a mail back soon. 
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22:21 < codermattie> i had a apple g4, it was pretty cool
22:21 < codermattie> it could idle for weeks
22:23 < ReBo> I mean, Epson still keeps up to date drivers for the V700 for scanning... For PPC up to the G4. So yeah. It's damn cool
22:23 < ReBo> But I can dualboot all my euqipment, so it would just be extra place here..
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22:26 < asarch> What option of the OpenSSH server lets you change the current directory when you login using the Midnight Commander?
22:27 < uwharrie> not sure how mc logs in, but maybe ChrootDirectory?
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22:33 < vi-user> anyone else who is autoconfiguring ipv6?
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22:52  * oldlaptop can state with almost complete confidence that someone, somewhere, is autoconfiguring ipv6
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22:53 < oldlaptop> unless of course we say as a definitional matter that nobody is autoconfiguring ipv6, because ipv6 is not a person, and yet "autoconfiguring" literally means that ipv6 configures itself, and therefore that a person does not configure it
22:53 < oldlaptop> This absurd philosophical question is probably, however, not why you are here.
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23:04 < codermattie> dhcp?
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23:05 < zyxer> https://clbin.com/mKveU
23:06 < zyxer> There finally got internet "working"
23:06 < zyxer> It is unstable
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23:10 < deacon426> hello kind folks
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23:45 < vi-user> see i don't want to use dhcp
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23:45 < vi-user> instead i just want slaac
23:46 < zyxer> Hmm
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23:58 < vi-user> okay it worked
23:58 < vi-user> when I turned off the firewall
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23:59 < vi-user> could it be because I'm filtering on a bridge?
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