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00:22 < deacon426> hello
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00:28 < deacon426> is there a specific reason why fw_update doesn't fetch anymore?
00:28 < uwharrie> still works here
00:29 < deacon426> dang, all my installs *always* fail
00:29 < zyxer> Maybe you forgot internet?
00:29 < deacon426> i have to manually go to ftp
00:29 < zyxer> Wat
00:29 < deacon426> lol zyxer , no
00:29 < deacon426> i literally have to dl the files from the ftp server then update
00:29 < zyxer> I install OpenBSD on toasters and I never fail. Only thing that failed for me has been running python3 tkinter window on a 23 year old iMac 
00:30 < deacon426> I'm talking 3rd part firmware
00:30 < deacon426> *party
00:30 < deacon426> just wondering why it doesn't pull the files is all
00:31 < uwharrie> we know what you're talking about and we're saying that we don't hit any problems, and your description of it not working is too vague for any type of response
00:31 < zyxer> Maybe try fw_update with verbosity?
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00:32 < zyxer> And then send error or whatever it spits out
00:32 < zyxer> clbin 
00:32 < deacon426> I apologize. I can figure it out, it's not a pressing issue or anything but yeah your right, my diligence is lacking
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00:34 < zyxer> sus
00:35 < deacon426> sus?
00:35 < zyxer> Suspect
00:35 < deacon426> in what way?
00:37 < zyxer> I don't know I guess that it isn't a pressing issue. It would press my psyche a lot to having to manually fw_update
00:37 < deacon426> i noticed once I get the files and install them manually, fw_update works okay afterwards
00:37 < zyxer> Your device is sus
00:39 < deacon426> could you elaborate please?
00:40 < zyxer> Well I mean it behaved weird if it needed manual fw_update before fw_update worked properly
00:40 < zyxer> As if network was misbehaving. My newly acquired 15 year old laptop has weird network.. Issues
00:41 < zyxer> Not sure if it is just on this network at office or if drivers are weird
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00:47 < deacon426> If the device is sus, I might as well light it on fire
00:48 < deacon426> I mostly us uefi, and hear bad things mostly
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01:00 < deacon426> it's also happened on several devices which is why i brought it up in the first place. Just figured it was common
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01:14 < SOLARIS_s> hmmm
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01:22 < deacon426> so I'm not exactly a newbie close enough maybe, is it okay if I ask some general questions about stock openbsd and the cool way to handle things?
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01:45 < SOLARIS_s> shoot
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01:48 < deacon426> perl is stock, I should start with that?
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01:49 < deacon426> I did, and it's cool and fun
01:49 < deacon426> was just having trouble looping back to that start of the menu after a ctrl-c
01:50 < deacon426> i'm probably not making sencse and don't have my butched program in front of me so yeah lol
01:51 < SOLARIS_s> the mandocs are a good starting point
01:51 < deacon426> perl is stock though
01:51 < deacon426> so perl over php then?
01:52 < deacon426> perl over anything if it's stock is presume
01:53 < SOLARIS_s> for webdev stuff?
01:54 < deacon426> no, was just trying to create a custom "button" so to speak for my favorite radio
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01:54 < deacon426> I'm running linux atm.  I should probably install 7.4 and rejoin the channel
01:55 < deacon426> but this was written in obsd
01:55 < SOLARIS_s> right
01:55 < SOLARIS_s> then yes you need to install obsd
01:55 < deacon426> ok, be back in hopefully an hour
01:55 < SOLARIS_s> hold on
01:55 < deacon426> ok
01:56 < SOLARIS_s> just spin a vm 
01:57 < deacon426> np
01:57 < deacon426> libvrt?
01:58 < deacon426> i effing love vmm btw
01:58 < deacon426> on linux atm tho
01:59 < SOLARIS_s> right use that
01:59 < deacon426> ok, here we go.  few minuts..
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02:54 < deacon426> welp, dependency hell so far
02:54 < zyxer> Wat
02:54 < zyxer> On OBSD?
02:54 < deacon426> no, it was suggested rather than just install openbsd to spin a vm
02:55 < deacon426> and virtmanager sucks right now
02:55 < deacon426> ...to install
02:55 < zyxer> Oh
02:55 < zyxer> RIP
02:55 < deacon426> i should just burn openbsd and run cwm
02:56 < zyxer> Maybe. 
02:56 < zyxer> I do that. 
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03:03 < deacon426> one last attempt
03:03 < SOLARIS_s> anyone have a license plate pledge or veil 
03:05 < SOLARIS_s> mikko does no?
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03:37 < deacon426> so I'm installing another linux distro unfortunately
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03:37 < deacon426> just to get this damn vm going
03:40 < deacon426> vmplayer complains, libvirt complains, virtualbox complains.  wft lol
03:41 < SOLARIS_s> what is your primary OS?
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03:42 < deacon426> everything must by build around systemd these days or something, because I don't remember it being this difficult.  No, bsd is.  I just don't have any of my configs so linux seemed easier?
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03:44 < deacon426> evedently, its not.  I'll install bsd, get cwm binding happening, hopefully learning groups in the process, and I'd use chromium but wtf happened to ad blockers, is it all DNS based now?
03:44 < SOLARIS_s> lol
03:44 < deacon426> not sure if i like firefo anymore
03:44 < SOLARIS_s> you got it running/.
03:44 < deacon426> i'm kinda grumpy atm lol
03:45 < zyxer> Chrome is google, and they hate ad blockery
03:45 < deacon426> *ungoogled*
03:45 < deacon426> so dns based i guess
03:45 < deacon426> with the ad blockers
03:45 < zyxer> Ungoogled is just telemetry, doesn't remove the ad blocking things afaik
03:46 < deacon426> yeah so i have to find a trustworth dns folks.  unbound and blocklists i guess
03:46 < zyxer> Ad Nauseum on firefox/firefox-based browser is king of ad blocking
03:46 < deacon426> are they trustworthy.  do i have to mess around hard with about:config?
03:47 < SOLARIS_s> signfly right
03:47 < zyxer> No need to mess around in config
03:48 < deacon426> so ff then
03:48 < zyxer> But I do Ad Nauseum config to ad exceptions for non-tracking ads. 
03:48 < deacon426> cwm/ff/irssi
03:48 < zyxer> I think it pops up config for Ad Nauseum when you install it
03:49 < deacon426> or some irc client anyways
03:49 < zyxer> And I can accept ads as long as it isn't tracking. And oh boy 99% of all pages I visit are without ads despite allowing non-tracking ads
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03:53 < echoSMILE> Hi. Can someone tell me if this was the software OpenBSD use to manage mailing lists since ever https://mj2.org ?
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03:53 < SOLARIS_s> wtf
03:53 < zyxer> wat
03:54 < deacon426> echoSMILE: need more info
03:55 < SOLARIS_s> how
03:55 < echoSMILE> just curious about which software run the OpenBSD mailing lists
03:55 < deacon426> oh ok 
03:55 < SOLARIS_s> majoromo
03:55 < SOLARIS_s> build the list
03:57 < SOLARIS_s> it's in the FAQ
03:57 < deacon426> man pages too no doubt
03:57 < SOLARIS_s> yup decent right
03:58 < echoSMILE> tks
03:59 < echoSMILE> But it was that software since "ever" ?
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04:00 < SOLARIS_s> how old are talking with equipment?
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04:02 < SOLARIS_s> nods
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04:05 < SOLARIS_s> are we at 100gbps on the edge?
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07:33 < hardkorebob> https://bpa.st/XAZQ
07:33 < hardkorebob> assitance appreciated
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07:37 < IcePic> step #1 would be to set the CVSROOT variable to anoncvs@anoncvs4.usa.openbsd.org:/cvs as the message suggests
07:38 < IcePic> step #2 would be to make sure each file named Root in a dir named CVS does not contain /cvs but instead anoncvs@anoncvs4.usa.openbsd.org:/cvs for instance.
07:38 < IcePic> I think you can get into this state if you unpack the downloaded src.tar.gz from a release dir
07:41 < hardkorebob> Ok thanks IcePic 
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07:43 < IcePic> making a oneline to replace all the CVS/Root files is a decent bite-sized task for programmers and scripters. ;)
07:43 < IcePic> oneliner*
07:46 < hardkorebob> cat /usr/src/sys/CVS/Root | sed 's|/cvs|anoncvs@anoncvs4.usa.openbsd.org:/cvs|g'
07:48 < hardkorebob> https://bpa.st/7DUA
07:48 < IcePic> there is basically one CVS/ dir per dir in the checkout
07:49 < hardkorebob> 7083
07:49 < hardkorebob> to be xact
07:49 < IcePic> so some find part would be needed
07:49 < hardkorebob> lol i know
07:49 < hardkorebob> how to do it
07:49 < IcePic> or a magic option to cvs that replaces Root when you update and give a -d ... 
07:50 < hardkorebob> IcePic: :) thats what I did after u answered the first time
07:50 < hardkorebob> i rtfm
07:50 < hardkorebob> ty again
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07:53 < hardkorebob> no way to specify makopts -j4 and maybe -O3 for the compiler?
07:53 < hardkorebob> looking at man mk.conf
07:53 < IcePic> hardkorebob: make -j4 should JustWork(tm)
07:54 < hardkorebob> oh yes 
07:54 < hardkorebob> lol
07:54 < IcePic> changing the optimizations is usually frowned upon, since noone dares make any guarantees to how the compiler output changes
07:54 < hardkorebob> indeed understood
07:54 < hardkorebob> testing purposes
07:54 < hardkorebob> not production box
07:55 < IcePic> hardkorebob: sure, but put a fat article on the FAQ mainpage on how to use -ffast-math -fwrapv -fzomg-opts -O99 and people will assume the project supports you when /bin/ls starts crashing and it doesn't end well.
07:56 < IcePic> I think most of the src/ tree will pick up if you set CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS in mk.conf, but "if you break it, you get to keep both pieces". Don't even bother making bug reports from this system.
07:57 < hardkorebob> i never make reports. understood your pov ah i see, so similarities with gentoo
07:57 < hardkorebob> thanks for the assitance 
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07:58 < IcePic> I know for certain that some platforms have certain sources that miscompile at O2 or higher, so Makefiles in parts of the tree might force lower optimizations there
07:58 < IcePic> more /usr/share/mk/bsd.README  <- has a bit more than "man mk.conf"
08:01 < hardkorebob> nice!
08:01 < echelon> well, for whatever reason, i can now do `go get -u golang.org/x/sys`
08:01 < hardkorebob> i wont play with them
08:01 < echelon> i've no idea why it's working now
08:01 < hardkorebob> to avoid breakage
08:01 < hardkorebob> interested in getting go setup as well but read its broke somewhere or something
08:01 < hardkorebob> ty IcePic 
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08:06 < psychon> hi, can someone explain some OpenBSD packaging to me? Specifically, I found some shlib_version file in source code that seems to me like every release of libxcb is considered as a potential ABI break and causes the SONAME of libxcb.so to change; requiring rebuilding everything
08:07 < psychon> is that correct or am I missing something?
08:07 < psychon> context is: A rust library for "talking X11" that tries to dlopen() libxcb.so, but that apparently doesn't work on OpenBSD: https://github.com/psychon/x11rb/issues/895
08:07 < psychon> and a related question: is there a file/symlink libxcb.so always available? the reporter in that issue has one, but I couldn't find that file in random .tgz files I downloaded from a mirror (I don't have an OpenBSD system myself to test anything on)
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08:42 < Lucas6023> psychon: you're correct. Every system lib change requires rebuilding its dependants.
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08:42 < Lucas6023> and there is no symlink
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08:45 < Lucas6023> psychon: ehm, no, sorry, you don't need to rebuild everything on updates for libraries, assuming dynamic linking and API & ABI compatibility
08:46 < Lucas6023> (no major bump, only minor bump, basically)
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08:51 < psychon> Lucas6023: thanks, but it seems like the XX/YY in libxcb.so.XX.YY is "often" changed, but I think libxcb never broke ABI compatibility: https://github.com/openbsd/xenocara/commits/a812a0d861ff67f4c3dbd13f0753738a2bfe5990/lib/libxcb/libxcb/shlib_version
08:52 < psychon> and the list does look like "on every upgrade": 14, 12, ??, 10, 9, 8.1, 7, 5, 6
08:53 < psychon> I guess that means I will just have to declare OpenBSD as unsupported or to play "catch up" every few years when the SONAME was changed again :-(
08:53 < pwr> am I supposed to just symlink openrsync to rsync?
08:54 < Lucas6023> psychon: yes, those are the options
08:54 < psychon> <Lucas6023> and there is no symlink <- but xcb.pc says just "-lxcb" without any extension, so there must be a libxcb.so file somewhere; do you happen to know how this works?
08:55 < psychon> oh, well, there is libxcb.a so I guess people using pkg-config always end up with static linking
08:55 < psychon> Lucas6023: okay, I'm satisfied; thanks a lot for your help!
08:55 < Lucas6023> no, that means that the linker knows it has to link against xcb. 
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08:55 < Lucas6023> no, people do dynamic linking
08:55 < Lucas6023> ld.so knows how to load the right .so
08:56 < psychon> but how? the linker woud be looking for libxcb.so in that case (and it's SONAME header would then point to libxcb.XX.YY)
08:56 < Lucas6023> pwr: no
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08:56 < psychon> ld.so is the dynamic / runtime linker; I mean the compile time linker ld that has to turn -lxcb into the right NEEDED header for the library
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08:57 < metavoid> anyone know a go program that will definately be broken using the latest snapshot (ref "Removing syscall(2) from libc and kernel")?
08:58 < Lucas6023> metavoid: yes, node_exporter
08:58 < Lucas6023> well, it's quite broken. Not fully broken.
08:58 < Lucas6023> it's running, but there is no data that comes from ioctls
08:58 < metavoid> ah nice, thanks. I want to learn more about the implications of the changes
08:58 < metavoid> okok
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08:59 < Lucas6023> psychon: OpenBSD patches clang and gcc, and has its own ld.so
08:59 < Lucas6023> I wouldn't take what you know from other platforms as granted in OpenBSD
09:00 < Lucas6023> I don't know the internals of ld.so so I can't answer your question
09:00 < psychon> Lucas6023: okay, so are you saying that if I run "gcc foo.c -lxcb", then that searches for libxcb.so.* and just uses the first one it finds? (Or uses some database from the dynamic linker, or so..)
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09:00 < psychon> ah, okay. Thanks for your help. That was already extremely helpful.
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09:01 < Lucas6023> you can take a stab as answering yourself with the sauce http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/libexec/ld.so/
09:02 < Lucas6023> well, there is /var/run/ld.so.hints, which I believe it's the DB you are talking about
09:02 < Lucas6023> (others ld.so offer a similar feature)
09:02 < psychon> ld.so is still the wrong thing, sorry; I am on Debian and my ld.so is /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, but that is something else than /usr/bin/ld
09:03 < psychon> but yeah, I'll try to find out whether anything special happens in OpenBSD when building binutils
09:03 < Lucas6023> so the linker may very well save in the ELF headers that it needs a reference for xcb, and then ld.so is in charge of resolving that reference
09:03 < psychon> does /var/run/ld.so.hints happen to be a readable text file? Or does something like "strings /var/run/ld.so.hints | grep xcb.so" find something?
09:04 < Lucas6023> it's a binary file.
09:04 < psychon> okay, thanks for checking
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09:08 < Lucas6023> psychon: this is the result of "strings /var/run/ld.so.hints" in my machine http://ix.io/4KEH
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09:09 < Lucas6023> also, I think that dlopen("/usr/X11R6/lib/libxcb.so") or similar should work
09:09 < Lucas6023> lemme check the port patches
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09:10 < err> are there any system call to bind process to a partic-
09:10 < err> ular processor in the obsd?
09:10 < psychon> Lucas6023: thanks, my issue reporter already confirmed that dlopen("libxcb.so") "just works"; I'm now trying to figure out why and then I'll be happy (I just downloaded src.tar.gz)
09:11 < psychon> Lucas6023: your mentioning of the hints file also made me find https://man.openbsd.org/ld.so which has one paragraph about the hints file; that is also helping me and somewhat matches your "strings" output
09:12 < Lucas6023> alacritty is ported, it's marked as it dlopens xcb.so and isn't patched, so whatever they do should work.
09:13 < psychon> ah, thanks for checking
09:14 < Lucas6023> err: no, I believe there isn't a way to pin a process to a core (or a CPU in a multisocket setup)
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09:16 < welcome> As the corpse of the monstrous entity
09:16 < welcome>  Chthon sinks back into the lava whence
09:16 < welcome>   it rose, you grip the Rune of Earth
09:16 < welcome>     Magic tightly. Now that you have
09:16 < welcome>  conquered the Dimension of the Doomed,
09:16 < welcome>  realm of Earth Magic, you are ready to
09:16 < welcome>   complete your task. A Rune of magic
09:16 < welcome>  power lies at the end of each haunted
09:16 < welcome>    land of Quake. Go forth, seek the
09:16 < welcome>       totality of the four Runes!
09:22 < psychon> Lucas6023: you "win"; src/libexec/ld.so/sod.c has _dl_build_sod() that turns e.g. "libxcb.so.4.1" into "libxcb.so" major=4, minor=1 and "libxcb.so" into major=-1, minor=-1; this function is used by dlopen() which ends up in src/libexec/ld.so/library_subr.c, dl_find_shlib() which matches things and treats "-1" as "matches" anything (otherwise major has to be == and minor >= the requested)
09:22 < psychon> thanks again for making me look at that code
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09:31 < pwr> Lucas6023: what's the preferrable way?
09:31 < pwr> re openrsync
09:34 < Lucas6023> \o/ I won!
09:34 < Lucas6023> pwr: wdym? preferrable way for what?
09:34 < Lucas6023> what do you want to achieve?
09:35 < pwr> Lucas6023: instead of symlinking rsync to openrsync
09:35 < pwr> you said no
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09:35 < Lucas6023> well, you didn't state what you wanted to achieve with that
09:36 < Lucas6023> symlinking is not required for openrsync operation
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09:39 < Lucas6023> pwr: what do you want to achieve? using openrsync in both ends?
09:41 < pwr> Lucas6023: using rsync on both ends yes, macOS <-> OBSD
09:42 < Lucas6023> OBSD -> macOS should work ootb if you have rsync (not openrsync) installed in macOS
09:42 < Lucas6023> if you have openrsync in both ends, `openrsync --rsync-path=openrsync` also works
09:43 < Lucas6023> and actually, `--rsync-path=` is also an rsync option
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09:44 < Lucas6023> so if again you have rsync in macOS, then `rsync --rsync-path=openrsync` works for macOS -> OBSD
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09:45 < Lucas6023> that being said, I recommend against openrsync as a replacement of rsync. The main use case of openrsync was for rpki-client. For general use, rsync has more and better options, and it's extremely more performant than openrsync.
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09:59 < pwr> Lucas6023: thx
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12:19 < jfsimon1981> Good morning
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12:51 < _spk_> jfsimon1981: afternoon :)
12:52 < jfsimon1981> yes good afternoon
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15:11 < deacon426> well that was a gong show
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15:12 < tozhu> does OpenBSD support IPoE ? how to configure IPoE on OpenBSD ?
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18:02 < deacon426> hey are liberas servers unstable right now or is it just my connection?
18:03 < vortexx> looks like it's your connection
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18:12 < deacon426> well virtualbox wont install.  the installer runs but as soon as it starts to install it fails then reboots
18:12 < deacon426> i'm going to uninstall that now
18:14 < metavoid> where did you even find virtualbox for openbsd?
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18:16 < deacon426> was suggested to use a vm last night, and libvirtd plunged me into dependency hell.  so I'll try again.  I have the necessary fw files for my wifi to do a bare metal install right now
18:16 < metavoid> yeah, but where did you get the installer from?
18:16 < deacon426> I'm just on linux becuse I have no access to my bsd configs
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18:16 < metavoid> It won't run on openbsd
18:16 < deacon426> I'm on linux :)
18:16 < deacon426> dont want to be though
18:17 < metavoid> you are telling us something wont run on linux?
18:17 < deacon426> no
18:17 < deacon426> was just saying I cant virtualize openbsd right now
18:18 < deacon426> unless that's not possible which i think is what you're telling me?
18:18 < metavoid> you can't run virtualbox on openbsd no, thats what it looks like you are talkinga bout
18:19 < deacon426> yes sir I am
18:19 < metavoid> there is no problem virtualising openbsd
18:19 < metavoid> So, what virtualbox installer for openbsd are you even trying, since there is none
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18:20 < deacon426> I'm using the 7.4 iso to install openbsd and fails as soon as the install starts.
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18:21 < metavoid> so you did manage to install virtualbox? you just said that it wouldn't install
18:21 < metavoid> and you are doing this on someother OS than openbsd then, like linux
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18:22 < deacon426> yeah I'm using linux, installed virtualbox np, openbsd runs the installer np, installing the sets instantly crashes
18:23 < metavoid> crashes how?
18:24 < deacon426> kinda like a shutdown with errors I haven't seen before.  I'm sorry I don't know how to relay the info from the window
18:24 < metavoid> googling on this gives successful results
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18:25 < metavoid> typically people use the screenshot feature for things like that...
18:25 < thrig> last I checked you need to lie to virtual box and claim the os type was not openbsd
18:27 < metavoid> first google hit on this shows all the settings you'll need
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18:31 < deacon426> thank you
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18:48 < topcat001> deacon426: I use `qemu-system-x86_64` directly in vnc display mode from Linux to run VMs. It is quite easy and does not need messing with libvirt.
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19:07 < deacon426> metavoid: you're right, libvirtd puked at me too
19:07 < deacon426> ..alpine installed fine.
19:08 < deacon426> I'll just go bare metal openbsd anyways.  Guess I'm lazy because I don't have configs and whatnot
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19:13 < deacon426> topcat001: just read your comment.  okay
19:13 < deacon426> i will try to install that 
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19:19 < deacon426> topcat001: can I dm u?
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21:00 < ssm_> dm? someone just outed themselves
21:00 < ssm_> ... 2 hours ago
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21:17 < topcat001> y it's slightly offtopic for this channel. I has going to ask them to join in their distro's channel.
21:17 < topcat001> join me, rather so I could walk them through it
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21:34 < ssm_> nah, just using the term dm instead of msg or privmsg
21:34 < ssm_> very discordian
21:34 < ssm_> I'm just joking, I don't actually care
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21:49 < oldlaptop> Almost as bad as doing someone@ instead of someone:
21:49 < oldlaptop> or @someone, rather
21:49 < oldlaptop> someone@ is something completely different still
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21:54 < linetrace> I've been browsing the kernel & drivers source for an hour now and I'm not finding where temperature & fan rpm sensors are used to increase fan speeds as temps increase (amd64 hardware here)
21:55 < linetrace> not sure if anyone is familiar with that and can point me in the general direction
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21:56 < linetrace> for context, I have a 2013 Mac Pro that I've just updated the Apple SMC ACPI drivers for to expose all of the available temp sensors, but I'd like see exactly if/how the kernel is utilizing those sensors
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22:06  * oldlaptop vaguely recalls that there's generally no fan control stuff exposed to *userland*, at the very least
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22:06 < oldlaptop> on the grounds that it's at best a way knob for knobs (that can damage hardware as an added bonus), and at worst extra attack surface (that can damage hardware as an added bonus)
22:07  * oldlaptop has no idea where that "way" came from
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22:12 < deacon427> hello folks
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22:20 < linetrace> oldlaptop: oh, yeah, definitely aware that fans are not supported in userland and that several attempts to do so have been shot down
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22:21 < linetrace> it seems like the Mac Pro's fans are running at a slightly higher RPM with my current load testing than before I added the extra temp sensors to the driver
22:22 < quinq> Don't mac & drive
22:22 < linetrace> that said, I did see that there's at least one Intel thermal management device driver, so I guess I should check to see if one is being used
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23:44 < polarian> pf is driving me mad, it does go top to bottom unless a "quick" rule is valid and then it will stop there...
23:44 < polarian> so say if I block all and then allow all, all will be allowed
23:45 < polarian> but if I block quick all, and then allow all, all will be blocked?
23:45 < polarian> my firewall is pissing me off so much I am questioning the basics
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23:47 < quinq> polarian, if you want to allow all, maybe you don't need a firewall
23:48 < polarian> quinq: its not the poin 
23:48 < polarian> point
23:48 < quinq> The “last match wins” model is setting defaults
23:48 < quinq> ie block all, that's the default, unless specified otherwise specifically
23:48 < polarian> I lost my old pf config I wrote a year ago due to disk shock 
23:48 < polarian> I am trying to replicate it
23:49 < quinq> If you want a default of allowing all, then start with that, and block selectively
23:49 < polarian> no
23:49 < polarian> that is less secure 
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23:49 < quinq> You're the one talking about allow all
23:49 < polarian> but then again for IPv6 right now I am passing all :P
23:49 < quinq> I'm merely trying to explain
23:49 < polarian> quinq: it was an example to explain 
23:49 < polarian> I know you shouldn't allow all
23:50 < quinq> I'm not sure what's the question then
23:50 < polarian> what I dont get is I allow 25, 587 and 993 in the same rule, and then only 587 and 993 is allowed, and 25 is "filtered" according to nmap
23:50 < polarian> I havent got any other rules intefering 
23:50 < polarian> no pf 25 and 465 is "filtered" I assume due to smtpd being default? (but I have disabled and stopped it)
23:50 < quinq> Maybe your ISP is filtering it
23:50 < polarian> no
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23:51 < polarian> ISP allows all ports
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23:54 < quinq> If you're sure that nobody in-between is filtering the port, and nmap tells you it's filtered, then that means you firewall is filtering it
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23:54 < polarian> but why 
23:54 < polarian> the firewall has nothing 
23:54 < quinq> Do you mean empty ruleset?
23:54 < quinq> Or disabled?
23:54 < quinq> pfctl -sr will tell us
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23:56 < polarian> https://nekobin.com/voxojolugo
23:57 < polarian> https://nekobin.com/vakihemogu
23:57 < polarian> second is the pfctl -sr
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