--- Log opened Sun Nov 05 00:00:04 2023
00:01 < quinq> polarian, worksforme
00:02 < quinq> Connection to 81.187.86.85 25 port [tcp/smtp] succeeded!
00:02 < polarian> WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
00:02 < polarian> oh wait 
00:02 < polarian> I think I know why 
00:02 < polarian> hetzner being a pain
00:02 < polarian> I totally forgot hetzner blocks outbound 
00:02 < polarian> so the nmap was distorted 
00:02 < polarian> quinq: thanks :)
00:02 < polarian> you put my spiral to rest...
00:02 < quinq> De nada
00:03 < polarian> its been a long 11 hours of rebuilding 
00:03 < quinq> You should ask OpenBSD for a refund, nothing should take that long!
00:09 < polarian> quinq: mix stupidity into that :P
00:09 < polarian> considering I have done this in the past I should be quicker 
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00:13 < polarian> Also firewalls can take hours... especially considering I touch them once a year or so :P
00:14 < polarian> I could just copy/paste from the openbsd handbook and have it working in half the time, but I would also not be designing the firewall to MY needs 
00:14 < quinq> It's easy to get stuck on something, even with practice and experience (although statistically risks are reduced)
00:17 < quinq> One thing that could interest you is the notation (interface), instead of manually setting the address
00:17 < quinq> There's also some modifiers like :0
00:17 < polarian> I dont know any of the advanced notations 
00:17 < polarian> such as the modifiers :P
00:17 < quinq> Or :network
00:18 < polarian> maybe one day I will bother to learn them 
00:18 < polarian> the hairpin NAT isn't working
00:18 < polarian> its filtering out LAN 
00:18 < quinq> For example instead of having lannet=192.168.1.0/24, one can use ($iflan:network)
00:18 < polarian> I managed to do this in ~5 hours the first time
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00:18 < polarian> and its taken double the time now
00:18 < polarian> actually I have done this like 3-4 times now 
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00:19 < polarian> quinq: I am doing filtering on level 3
00:19 < quinq> Good luck :)
00:19 < quinq> (it's bedtime here)
00:19 < polarian> same here ;P
00:19 < polarian> goodnight 
00:20 < quinq> o/
00:20 < polarian> thanks for pointing out port 25 was working :P
00:20 < polarian> I was losing my mind 
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02:07 < ssm_> how does one add nameservers to resolv.conf with dhcpleased
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02:10 < ssm_> with dhclient it could be done with the domain-name-servers option
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02:13 < ssm_> and you could append it to the autoconfigured nameserver
02:13 < ssm_> everything I'm reading makes it seem impossible without using something like unwind
02:16 < ssm_> what I'm trying to do is resolve with opendns nameservers first, and if that figures fall back to the autoconfigured nameserver
02:16 < ssm_> that was easy with dhclient, no idea how to do it now
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02:16 < ssm_> -s/figures/fails
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02:31 < ssm_> well, mailing list basically just says "go install dhcpcd"
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02:43  * oldlaptop would rather go install dhclient
02:44 < oldlaptop> There's nothing wrong in principle with concluding that dhpleased does not serve your particular usecase - a lot of openbsd's homegrown daemons are meant to serve the 80% or 90% of usecases that only need the first 20% of the capability of $full_fat_third_party_daemon
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02:49 < zyxer> Yea, like httpd isn't doing it for me. Need the nginx for the reverse proxy feature.
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02:50 < ssm_> oldlaptop: I see. Was dhclient third party?
02:50 < oldlaptop> indeed
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02:51 < oldlaptop> zyxer: OpenBSD's reverse proxy is relayd(8).
02:51 < oldlaptop> (httpd(8) is in fact derived from it)
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02:52 < ssm_> cool, I just thought dhclient and all its features were just deleted for no reason, but that makes a lot more sense
02:52 < zyxer> Really? So I can have multiple domains on same server (and port) and serve different sites for the domains and sub domains?
02:52 < tommyrot> resolvd was a mistake, it's a linuxism akin systemd-resolvd and did not help anyone
02:53 < ssm_> either way, I can do what I'm doing with unwind, but unwind causes some weirdness with resolving ISP dns names, and I don't fully understand why, though it can sort of be mitigated with the force macro
02:54 < zyxer> Resolvd got in my way as an OpenBSD beginner. I just turned it off and made my own /etc/resolv config
02:54 < zyxer> No resolvd needed 
02:55 < quinq> But wouldn't resolvd actually do what you want, ssm_?
02:55 < ssm_> is there a way to figure out what I should set the force macro to in unwind.conf for whatever gateway I'm connected to? I managed to figure out on my local network it was attlocal.net (forgot how I even figured that out)
02:56 < ssm_> quinq: you mean disabling it? No, because I still want the autoconfigured domain from the ISP to be appended to the opendns nameservers
02:56 < ssm_> s/domain/dns server/
02:56 < quinq> No, I mean *enabling* it, hence “actually do what you want”
02:56 < quinq> resolvd+unwind
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02:58 < ssm_> well it's already enabled, are you saying I should prepend entries in resolv.conf and then resolvd will throw in the autoconfigured nameserver entry after?
02:58 < ssm_> s/prepend/manually &
02:58 < quinq> You don't need to prepend things
02:58 < quinq> resolvd prepends 127.0.0.1 always when unwind is running (just paraphrasing the manpage)
02:59 < quinq> So you configure your favorite third-party-nsa resolver in unwind.conf
02:59 < ssm_> yup
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02:59 < quinq> And dhcpleased will add your ISP-censored resolver after localhost
03:00 < ssm_> it will, commented out
03:00 < quinq> So then the resolving routine will try localhost first (so NSA ones) and if they're unreachable try the censored one next in the list
03:00 < ssm_> resolvd will comment out everything but unwind's resolver
03:02 < quinq> That's not what the documentation says
03:02 < ssm_> it's the paragraph right under nameserver 127.0.0.1
03:03 < quinq> Erf, I thought that was only about proposals added through route(8≥
03:03 < ssm_> resolvd also monitors the routing socket for proposals learned by dhcpleased(8) blah blah, The proposals are added  in priority order, but commented out if unwind(8) is running.
03:03 < quinq> s/≥/)/
03:03 < ssm_> doesn't seem so
03:03 < quinq> That kind of defeats the purpose
03:04 < ssm_> I mean, seems like a 1 line hack to change that behavior
03:04 < ssm_> think I'm just going to use the ISPs nsa resolver instead, I just use opendns because I don't know of anything else
03:05 < zyxer> 9.9.9.9
03:06 < ssm_> I just assume it's all nsa, maybe I should just send my network requests to 1 surveillencence center instead of 2
03:06 < ssm_> once it's resolved it's not hard to get the domain name from the ip address anyways, any privacy gains are superficial
03:06 < ssm_> or at worst, negative
03:07 < zyxer> 9.9.9.9 has DNS over TLS
03:07 < quinq> What problem are you actually trying to solve?
03:07 < zyxer> But they could still be NSA owned
03:08 < quinq> You want to try public resolvers, but fallback to DHCP ones in case the local network blocks your external requests?
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03:09 < ssm_> quinq: Don't I still need the ISP provided dns server to resolve local domains?
03:10 < ssm_> at least when I just use some public dns resolver I can't resolve domains on my local network anymore
03:10 < quinq> You have a local domain provided by your isp?
03:11 < ssm_> guess so?
03:11 < quinq> I can't tell you that
03:11 < quinq> Also, is that for a fixed machine?
03:12 < quinq> Because I doubt your ISP is going to change its DNS servers IP every other week
03:12 < quinq> So just hard-coding them doesn't sound too bad
03:12 < ssm_> hmm
03:12 < oldlaptop> <zyxer> Really? So I can have multiple domains on same server (and port) and serve different sites for the domains and sub domains?
03:12 < oldlaptop> well, httpd will do *that* - that isn't a "reverse proxy", it's just vhosts
03:12 < quinq> As in just put them in the order you want in unwind, problem solved (though not sure what's the problem)
03:13 < ssm_> to resolve domains on my local network, I have to put `force accept bogus autoconf { attlocal.net}` in unwind.conf and then connect to local domains with domain-name.attlocal.net
03:13 < ssm_> it's very weird and I don't know why it works that way
03:14 < zyxer> http fails when I have multiple domains on same port. But I didn't look up vhost, maybe I just failed due to lack of terminology. I'll look it up, thanks
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03:17 < quinq> zyxer, the terminology in httpd.conf is *name* (as in server [match] *name*)
03:18 < zyxer> Oh, thanks!
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03:20 < quinq> It will matche the client request Host: header
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03:20 < oldlaptop> ssm_: FWIW, I've just run my own unbound(8) for years.
03:21 < oldlaptop> Bad memories from the one ISP that returned ad pages instead of NXDOMAIN
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03:21 < quinq> It's true that this isn't explained explicitely in the man-page
03:21 < quinq> Just implied
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03:23 < oldlaptop> (i.e. I don't even know what my ISP does for DNS, I've never used it)
03:24 < quinq> (I guess it caches records)
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03:24 < oldlaptop> quinq: Well, presumably.
03:24 < oldlaptop> The ISP that did ad pages instead of NXDOMAIN was, I strongly suspect, doing it with unbound on OpenBSD.
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03:25 < oldlaptop> (But that was two ISPs ago. Never used public resolvers from the other two.)
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03:40 < pwr> anyone know if openbsd.amsterdam has an IRC?
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03:49 < quinq> Not as far as I know
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03:58 < pwr> yeah just looking at their mastodon they only run 64 VMs total
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04:00 < quinq> A bit more than then times, that, but I fail to see how that's related to having an IRC channel or not ^^
04:00 < ssm_> pwr: if they added just 5 more maybe I'd consider buying one
04:01 < quinq> s/then times, that/ten times that/
04:01 < quinq> (not sure how that came typed out)
04:01 < pwr> quinq: oh you
04:01 < pwr> 're right
04:01 < pwr> I was looking at their stats for a month, not a year!
04:04 < quinq> But if you have any problem/question, I'm sure you'll get a fast and nice answer by email
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04:08 < pwr> oh yeah, I was only curious about IRC so I could add another to my list of channels, not for support
04:09 < quinq> ok :)
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06:47 < pwr> wow, openbsd.amsterdam deployed my VM before 8am on a sunday, I'm v impressed
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06:48 < tercaL> Good morning all
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06:52 < zyxer> Good morning. I'm sick tho' so not very good for me
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07:04 < remiliascarlet> Good late afternoon, and how the hell am I supposed to get sick if it's still 22-28 degrees every single day?
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08:13 < avemestr> pwr: 760 VMs deployed @openbsd.amsterdam.
08:14 < pwr> avemestr: yeah it says it right there on the homepage, I stupidly misinterpreted a toot of their monthly VMs
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10:51 < welcome> HELO
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10:53 < welcome> Is there something amiss with packages on openbsd 7.4 at the moment... mplayer won't install on vanilla 7.4 amd64 openbsd. Soe of it does, but some of it doesn't (dependencies)
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10:55 < quinq> welcome, details about “it doesn't” would help help you
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10:55 < quinq> *help helping
10:55 < welcome> ok...
10:56  * welcome GETS UP- >wait< out of his chair, WAlks across the entire room, and examines the output on another system
10:57 < welcome> ok
10:57 < quinq> You can try ssh otherwise
10:57 < welcome> I got an idea
10:57 < quinq> ok
10:57 < welcome> I will ssh
10:57 < quinq> That's a great idea
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11:03 < welcome> https://pastebin.com/FVaSi0pT shows the output in question
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11:09 < quinq> | /usr/lib/libcurses.so.15.0 (system): bad major
11:09 < quinq> Do you know where that comes from?
11:09 < quinq> Maybe you're mixing 7.4 and -current
11:09 < welcome> Isn't that when it's the wrong version of openbsd?
11:10 < welcome> As in PKG_PATH is wrong?
11:10 < quinq> Another great idea :)
11:10 < welcome> I think I got right though
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11:11 < welcome> uname -r = 7.4 and PKG_PATH is correct for that
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11:17 < bruflu> at this time uname -r gives you 7.4 whether you're running release or snapshot
11:19 < bruflu> try uname -v or check the build date in the first line of dmesg
11:19 < welcome> either way, I got packages from 7.4 and it's vanilla, straight off the image 
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11:20 < welcome> GENERIC.MP#1440
11:21 < bruflu> mine is GENERIC.MP#1441 from Nov 3
11:22 < bruflu> that is a snapshot release
11:22 < welcome> uhoh
11:22 < welcome> maybe I put a snapshot on by mistake, 
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11:23 < welcome> OpenBSD 7.4-current (GENERIC.MP) #1440: Tue Oct 31 09:14:30 MDT 2023
11:23 < welcome> yup
11:23 < welcome> right?
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11:24 < bruflu> right, the -current tells your for sure
11:24 < welcome> ok
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11:24 < welcome> I'll get the release and try again
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11:27 < welcome> welllllll
11:27 < welcome> I feel proper dumb now
11:27 < welcome> excuse me
11:27 < welcome> 0_o`~
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11:29 < bruflu> that's one of the reasons my systems run all on snapshots
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12:36 < welcome> Just finishing now
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12:37 < zyxer> welcome: You are excused
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12:38 < welcome> hehehe
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13:03 < welcome> thankyou
13:03 < welcome> >crick<
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14:36 < jfsimon1981> Hi, is there a useful peace of hardware i could use as a startup hobby design, electronic or software space, which could be useful for the purpose of openbsd typical applications, like as simple as remote usb LCD screen for example.
14:37 < jfsimon1981> If any good ideas i'd like to hear.
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15:41 < welcome> jfsimon, Have you seen arduino?
15:41 < welcome> AFAIK it will run openbsd
15:42 < jfsimon> i interfaces serial console things like this yes
15:42 < jfsimon> with an openbsd laptop
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15:43 < welcome> Google arduino and openbsd
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15:46 < jfsimon> Yes a few projects, i have the client also pkg installed
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15:49 < thrig> pretty sure I ended up with a Makefile rather than using the arduino ide on openbsd
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15:50 < jfsimon> indeed the ide isn't so far as i know available, but i'm not up to date on version
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16:43 < armin> jfsimon: Pretty sure anything comparable to the Arduino/ESP32 things will do. There's "arduino" in pkg from what I see, so it could be you even easily would get the IDE for Arduino on OpenBSD and you do *not* need the manual way thrig describes, but I haven't tested that myself.
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16:44 < armin> jfsimon: But the "manual" way thrig describes there looks like you will have a great chance of success anyways, there's packages for tall the things one needs, at least it looks so.
16:45 < jfsimon> i have installed it, a simple makefiles works indeed
16:45 < armin> hehe
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16:46 < armin> Some of these things are ultra-cheap but still crazy useful, even with my limited knowledge already.
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16:46 < armin> You'll also find IRC communities and whatnot, of course. :)
16:47 < kodcode> What do you mean with OpenBSD typicl applications?
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16:53 < kodcode> jfsimon ^
16:53 < jfsimon> Possibly a power monitoring, remote LCD, things use in servers.
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16:55 < jfsimon> I seek for ideas at the moment, i have a couple ones, i didn't start the project yet.
16:55 < kodcode> But you can't *run* OpenBSD on a micro controller (like Arduion's ATMEL)
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16:57 < jfsimon> Either it's interfacing with openbsd, that's the microcontroller size, or it's a bit larger, then i tend to think arm/riscv and have a build for it.
16:58 < jfsimon> i had in mind build a controller, something a bit similar to plc, but more for applications, ie programmed in c/c++. Either running or interfacing with eg openbsd
16:58 < kodcode> Interfacing with OpenBSD has not much to do with OpenBSD... 
16:59 < jfsimon> for sure, that's the driver and daemon part code then.
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19:01 < anigma> For thoe of you who run cwm, does Alt+Tab (or whatever you key bind for switching windows) show a popup menu of current windows?
19:02 < anigma> Damn, that was a poorly written sentence...
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19:12 < thrig> M-Tab cycles visible windows, unless someone told cwm to do otherwise
19:12 < kodcode> anigma: no such menu.
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19:13 < anigma> Much obliged! I swore there was when I initially installed cwm. Think I might've been trippin'
19:16 < thrig> or maybe it was fvwm
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19:29 < ssm_> I rebind all the commands in cwm to use Super_L (4) instead of mod, using mod for the wm command button is very annoying in some circumstances
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19:32 < tercaL> Read News without ads -> telnet bbs.retrocampus.com
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19:33 < ssm_> tercaL: dumb bot, what you're doing right now IS an ad
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19:33 < tercaL> ssm_: oh, found it interesting, sorry if bothered..
19:33 < tercaL> and "bot"? :)
19:34 < ssm_> there's been a lot lately, but why post this in #openbsd?
19:34 < tercaL> was just boring :) sorry once again.
19:35 < thrig> or use w3m an be sure to disable images
19:36 < ssm_> was about to be excited that a bot on IRC was advertising a bbs, had to be a real person instead >:(
19:36 < tercaL> haha
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19:37 < quinq> Why being excited about bots, when you know they'll be our doom
19:39 < ssm_> oh it'll be our doom, but it won't be the bots; it'll be humans assuming bots are way smarter than they are and pushing them into important parts of production
19:39 < thrig> also for cost savings
19:40 < quinq> I want my doom to be costly
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19:42 < quinq> You can't yet, bot!
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20:32 < kodcode> ×I am trying to compile a file that includes math.h with cc, and I am getting the following error. https://clbin.com/JSW6V - can someone help with this one? Thanks.
20:35 < quinq> You need to link with libmath
20:35 < quinq> s/libmath/libm/ :)
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20:36 < CosmicDJ> the sin manpage doesn't really tell you that...
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20:39 < quinq> I guess that's missing then, yeah, although that's pretty common among C library implementations
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20:48 < zwr> uh-oh, how do I un-minimize a chromium window if I have no taskbar? I tried installing lxqt-panel but it doesn't show the Chromium icon
20:49 < ssm_> zwr: xdotool
20:49 < typicat> no idea about lxqt but have you tried alt+tab?
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20:51 < zwr> ssm_: reading the man page right now. typicat no such shortcut on spectrwm
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20:55 < zwr> `xdotool windowactivate` did it
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21:30 < mischief> zwr: does mod-shift-w for `uniconify` not work?
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21:31 < quinq> unicornify
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21:34 < kodcode> quinq: -lm would be the right flag?
21:35 < kodcode> did not find anything about it in man cc, math or sin
21:36 < quinq> right
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21:46 < zwr> mischief: ahh, it does. That's a feature I don't use. I accidentally right clicked the tab bar instead of a tab and then accidentally clicked minimize just now
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21:50 < MonsoonSecrecy> any idea why PyQt6 is not available?
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21:52 < mischief> zwr: fyi upstream just released spectrwm 3.5.0 with a ton of bug fixes
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23:23 < prahou> hi
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