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00:40 < deacon426> hi
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01:00 < j3s> deacon426: hai
01:00 < ludovicus> hi
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01:01 < deacon426> how are you folks today?  
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05:41 < pwr> woo! just got perl/mojolicious running in /var/www chroot
05:42 < byteskeptical> nice!
05:42 < pwr> https://i.gifer.com/77qI.gif
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05:44 < gry> congrats, well done, pwr
05:47 < pwr> gry: ty
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06:42 < welcome> HELO
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06:46 < welcome> And now, I have to ask a dumb question, ....I've install ed a snapshot on a syst4em and I need to install some packages only I don't know where to ask PKG_PATH to look for this. Where should I set it too?
06:47 < quinq> You don't have to
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06:49 < pwr> doesn't it automatically get set from /etc/installurl?
06:50 < welcome> not that I am aware of
06:50 < welcome> maybe it has changed
06:50 < welcome> I will read 
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06:54 < pardis> yes, it changed in OpenBSD 6.1, 6 years ago
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07:04 < pwr> welcome: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#Mirror
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07:14 < pwr> I've got perl running in a chroot by copying in the libraries specified by ldd(1) and mounting the perl5 paths as local NFS mounts using exports(5); I'm wondering if this is the ideal way to do it, or if there is another way?
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07:16 < pwr> i.e. if mounting the perl5 paths as NFS is the only way to get them into the chroot
07:18 < quinq> No, you can also copy them
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07:19 < IcePic> but if nfs works for you, then that is ok too
07:20 < pwr> oh right, of course, but I wanted to share the perl installation, i.e. not have to copy over anything when installing a package from CPAN
07:21 < thrig> another way would be to fastcgi over to somewhere else
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07:21 < pwr> I guess I'm anticipating someone saying mounting as NFS is overcomplicating it and I could just hard-link the perl lib paths or something
07:21 < thrig> hard link would be tricky between /usr and /var
07:22 < pwr> oh right, different partitions
07:23 < pwr> could I just mount the paths as ffs in fstab?
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07:24 < IcePic> nopes
07:24 < IcePic> at least not like linux loop mounts
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07:26 < pwr> okay cool, I'm content if my method passes #openbsd standards
07:27 < pwr> thanks all
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07:27 < quinq> (for lack of a better one ;))
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08:02 < pardis> pwr: you could use entr from packages to automatically copy any updated files
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08:05 < welcome> ok, helo again
08:05 < welcome> Iran it with the default installurl
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08:05 < welcome> I'm having bad minor and other errors with pkg_add gedit
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08:38 < pwr> pardis: interesting approach, although I think I prefer having the least duplication as possible
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08:47 < welcome> output of install attempt here : https://pastebin.com/sLqh58Vq
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09:03 < welcome> ok
09:03 < welcome> read the last line of the topic
09:03 < welcome> snarkfsk
09:05 < Lucas6023> welcome: did you try to `pkg_add -u` and then try again?
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09:07 < welcome> I will said the operator
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09:10 < welcome> seems to be working
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09:10 < welcome> I learned something today. Thankyou very much
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09:13 < welcome> It's better now Lucas6023 ... but I get just a few errors now
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09:17 < welcome> https://pastebin.com/GxHCWqpQ shows the errors in the install output
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09:37 < brynet> welcome: try a different mirror
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09:38 < welcome> ok
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10:12 < Lucas6023> welcome: your -current is too old
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10:28 < welcome> I only got it a few days ago
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11:39 < betabug> that's why it's called -current and not -recent
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14:05 < deacon426> morning all
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15:00 < thrig> whoops, removed too much code from st
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15:00 < Bradipo> Isn't st already pretty minimal?
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15:01 < thrig> it lacks a xterm*colorMode:false knob
15:01 < Bradipo> Does it have color?
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15:01 < thrig> alas
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16:48 < echelon> are there any HA tools packaged with openbsd for failing over IPs?
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16:50 < thrig> nothing to carp about
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16:51 < echelon> thrig: thanks
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17:19 < mybalzitch> ha
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17:33 < vortexx> echelon: carp & ifstated
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17:37 < echelon> vortexx: thanks, what do you prefer?
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17:37 < echelon> or are you supposed to use them together
17:38 < echelon> > 
17:38 < echelon> it can be used with carp(4) to change  running  services  or  to  ensure that carp(4) interfaces stay in sync
17:38 < echelon> cool
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17:51 < riceandbeans> good god
17:51 < riceandbeans> "/var/mail/user1": 1709100 messages 1709100 new
17:51 < riceandbeans> Took a hot minute to load
17:52 < thrig> cron can do that
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18:22 < jonadab> mbox format is not optimized for loading time in the face of huge quantities of mail like that.
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18:23 < jonadab> Although *no* format can completely alleviate the "it's a lot so it'll take a while" effect.
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18:31 < thrig> a non-zero number of gutenberg texts have ">From ..." paragraphs in them
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18:32 < jonadab> Heh.
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19:22 < armin> Hm. My "cloud-provider" (which allows uploading custom ISO images) moved one of my VMs to another host, and there the OpenBSD 7.4 ISO hangs when initializing the virtual SCSI controller. Is there something reasonable I can do at this point? I only have access via VNC in a webbrowser.
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19:24 < Bradipo> amd64 ISO?  i386 ISO?  dmesg somewhere?
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19:25 < armin> amd64 that is, dmesg is difficult to obtain, I could just obtain a screenshot I believe, should I?
19:25 < Bradipo> Because it's VNC?  That's too bad.
19:26 < armin> That's why the provider is ultra-cheap basically, of course it's not perfect. But yes that's why I don't have real access to that machine. Let me look.
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19:26 < Bradipo> Screenshot is better than nothing.
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19:30 < armin> https://fractal.m2m.pm/qumra.png
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19:46 < vortexx> armin: how long do you wait till rebooting the VM? sometimes bsd.rd hangs for a while before the virtual drive is detected, give it an hour and see if it comes up in the end
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19:47 < armin> vortexx: hmm, I believe half an hour or so? I will see if something will happen, thank you.
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20:33 < armin> Doesn't look so, that hangs.
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20:38 < vortexx> armin: try a 7.3 iso?
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20:39 < vortexx> (does it have to be an iso, can't you use a .img?)
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20:40 < armin> vortexx: I'm pretty sure what QEMU usually utilizes is an ISO, .img is what I use for USB sticks - 7.3 was what was on there before, so I asked them to replace the 7.3 ISO with 7.4, which they did, which showed the identical behaviour.
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20:42 < armin> vortexx: so yes I did try 7.3 and the behaviour is the same. I'm pretty sure that super duper cheap cloud provider is playing tricks on me, no question, they probably DO have some super questionable setup, yes, but still, NetBSD boots fine, as well as all the other Linux ISOs I can find in their drop-down menu, too.
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20:47 < armin> vortexx: I could even think replacing the virtual disk attachment with something non-SCSI might work already.
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20:47 < armin> vortexx: But really, I have no damn idea what that provider is doing there, and making wild assumptions makes not much sense, so I'm barking up the wrong tree here in #openbsd, I feel. :)
20:52 < vortexx> try IDE maybe?
20:52 < vortexx> if it's supported
20:53 < vortexx> or use the hosting service iso to install the VM and then use sysupgrade to upgrade it to 7.4?
20:53 < armin> vortexx: that's the thing, I'll have to open a ticket to them each time or something, I'm not in full control of the hypervisor, and I need to trust them to tell me somewhat the truth.
20:54 < armin> vortexx: they'll be happy to switch that to IDE for me, no question, but still, I'm pointing out that this is not MY hypervisor, if it was I would long have tried that, obviously.
20:55 < armin> vortexx: I just *asked* them just today to replace it with the 7.4!
20:55 < armin> I mean it's at least that one cloud provider where I can say "here, I want to boot THIS ISO right here, with THESE settings, please make that working", but it could take some days.
20:59 < armin> And for WHATEVER reasons the OpenBSD 7.3 and 7.4 ISOs don't boot with their weird virtualized SCSI controller or something, I would love to get more information on this, grr.
20:59 < thrig> maybe it's not a cd-rom and you need an *.img instead
21:00 < armin> thrig: I could ask them tomorrow to also mount the .img and I'll try.
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21:01 < armin> It's a bit like working blind-folded, but with dynamic dialup DSL connections over here, renting these virtual machines on some hipster "cloud" provider is the best we can do.
21:01 < thrig> because openbsd don't do hybrid *.iso that can also work for sticky usb business
21:01 < armin> I'll try that, thank you, thrig.
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21:27 < ssm_> make 1>/dev/null is truly the best tool for porting
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21:44 < ssm_> been a while since I ported, how do I generate a PFRAG file for a port with flavors?
21:44 < ssm_> do I just take a diff of PLIST and PLIST.orig?
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21:49 < thrig> speak english!
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21:52 < ssm_> thrig: when I run `make update-plist` FLAVOR= and FLAVOR=no_x11 generate different plist files, and I can't make packages for both. This is where you use a PFRAG.something file, but I want to know how to generate it
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21:56 < thrig> pkg_create(1) and bsd.port.mk(5) seem relevant?
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