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00:06 < Albright> steerpike: Got it working. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
00:07 < steerpike> no problemo
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04:08 < brocashelm> i just installed openbsd 7.4 on a dell latitude e5470; surprised how responsive it is
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04:24 < oldlaptop> foolake darned well ought to be responsive - that's only like, what, five years old?
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04:25 < oldlaptop> just barely old enough to be a dell with a trackpoint(?)
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04:48 < brocashelm> yeah
04:49 < brocashelm> my optiplex 755 struggled with openbsd, and the cpu has quad cores (whereas this newer dell has just dual cores)
04:49 < brocashelm> might also help that i installed it on the m.2 ssd
04:49 < brocashelm> but still
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05:06 < oldlaptop> these things? https://www.newegg.com/dell-optiplex-755-business-desktops-workstations/p/N82E16883156340 :|
05:07 < oldlaptop> you do realize that's a difference of some ten years or so
05:08 < Bradipo> I used to have a 755.
05:08 < oldlaptop> four core2 cores don't compare that well to four foolake cores (and an old core2 box is going to be RAM-constrained by today's (browsers') standards)
05:08  * oldlaptop went straight from athlon64 to zen, as far as desktops go
05:08 < oldlaptop> (some core2 laptops in there)
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05:13 < brocashelm> yes, that old clunker
05:13 < brocashelm> it still works
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05:14 < brocashelm> i'll have it continue running linux (slackware base)
05:14 < oldlaptop> anyhow, the Five Years Of Intel Dronebox CPUs Being More Or Less Interchangeable started some time after core2
05:14 < brocashelm> but nice to have a more dedicated openbsd machine (even though i am not too into laptop usage at home)
05:14 < oldlaptop> two marketing generations later
05:15 < brocashelm> i've always had a good experience with dell laptops/desktops, so i chose to invest in a few latitudes and test *BSD systems on them
05:15 < oldlaptop> They beat HP, at least.
05:16 < brocashelm> funny thing, i was going to first try a live iso of ghostbsd (freebsd), but got immediate kernel panic, so i just said to heck with it - install openbsd and remove this awful, awful windows 11 install (it was bought used)
05:16 < oldlaptop> latitudes were clearly inferior to thinkpads through about core2 or so, I think, but core2/foo-bridge latitudes are reasonably nice
05:16 < brocashelm> picked up wifi perfectly
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05:17 < brocashelm> the latitudes i own presently are e6440, e6530, e5470, and 5490
05:18 < brocashelm> so mid-to-late 2010s dell laptops
05:18 < oldlaptop> (PIII latitudes really are astoundingly bad in the build quality department, for fleet machines)
05:18 < brocashelm> three of those run linux for now
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05:19 < brocashelm> at least a spare openbsd laptop for me to learn from and break the mold of always the same one or two linux distros i main on
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05:21 < brocashelm> i find thinkpads interesting (particularly the x200 series), but dell is the one i'm most familiar with and keeps my pc family consistent
05:21 < brocashelm> i might get one if the price is right
05:22 < oldlaptop> post sandy-bridge thinkpads get dubious, IMO. :(
05:22 < brocashelm> i know openbsd is heavily developed on thinkpads
05:23 < brocashelm> although i am way more of a desktop user than a laptop user (only recently got back into laptop use since i've been traveling more)
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05:25 < brocashelm> what i dislike about these later dell latitudes is their cpus being soldered on their respective boards; it's a common thing with laptops in the last five years as they get thinner (due to consumer demand)
05:25 < brocashelm> but otherwise, pleasant experience so far
05:25 < brocashelm> using the latest xfce on openbsd 7.4, my cpu idles at 40-45 C in a good environment
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05:39 < Bradipo> I don't like thinner laptops.  Thinner laptops mean fewer built-in peripherals.
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06:07 < skydoge> wheres epony?
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06:34 < tercaL> Your favourite OpenBSD terminal command?
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07:00 < avemestr> skydoge: He rode into the sunset on an electronic pony. Or something.
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08:34 < Voyager_MP> I'm playing with vxlan, I got it working with ptp, now I would like to get the multicast learing mode up
08:34 < Voyager_MP> has anyone a config line for me ?
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09:55  * sonya got a "replacement" of curlftpfs as 'lftp -c command && command &&..'… thinking how to automate ftp file/folder sharing with rox-filer now.. anyway, it works seamlessly anywhere, except OpenBSD… :)
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10:00 < IcePic> yuk, ftp.
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12:25 < deacon426> good morning
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13:22 < renaud> does unbound support tsig keys for rpz axfr?
13:29 < renaud> I can't find it in the man page, so I suppose it does not
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14:03 < zyxer> Hi. How can I route just some network traffic through VPN?
14:04 < zyxer> I have wireguard setup
14:04 < zyxer> So I guess it boils down to how to route some software through wg interface
14:05 < zelest> use pf(4) and NAT
14:07 < dlg> zyxer: which interfaec a packet goes out depends on the routing table
14:08 < dlg> which only uses the destination address in a packet
14:08 < IcePic> and for wg, the AllowedIPs setting
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14:08 < dlg> you have to route it out wg before AllowedIPs becomes an issue
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14:09 < IcePic> dlg: it doesn't steal packets like ipsec does?
14:09 < dlg> no
14:10 < IcePic> wonder if the wg-quick script sets up routes to match the allowedips then. I would have sworn it worked that way
14:11 < dlg> that makes sense
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14:11 < dlg> but that's not wg(4) the driver stealing packets
14:11 < dlg> that's wg-quick configuring the kernel
14:11 < IcePic> no, I believe you on wg and ifconfig setups
14:11 < dlg> assuming that's what wg-quick does
14:12 < IcePic> wg "wants" to get this behaviour (from the wireguard.com page) the list of allowed IPs behaves as a sort of routing table, and when receiving packets, the list of allowed IPs behaves as a sort of access control list
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14:12 < phy1729> The easy way to make sure everything goes out via wg is to put yourself into a new rdomain and only have the wg if in that rdomain
14:12 < dlg> IcePic: i really hate this aspect of wg
14:13 < IcePic> phy1729: and if you want only a set of programs using the tunnel
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14:13 < IcePic> dlg: yeah, it's convenient at times, and weird in other situations but breaks the L3 expectations one might have had
14:13 < dlg> yeah
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14:14 < dlg> 9 times out of 10 i have a wg interface per peer with allowedips set to 0.0.0.0/0
14:14 < zyxer> wg-quick up routes everything through it. But I guess I just want like, ssh, and httpd to not go through wireguard
14:14 < dlg> and i use routes/pf for policy
14:14 < zyxer> but pf and NAT, I'll look into it
14:15 < dlg> zyxer: again, the decision to go out an interface is made by the routing table which only uses the destination ip address of a packet as the input for that decision
14:16 < dlg> routes dont care about tcp/udp or ports
14:16 < dlg> if you want finer grained policy then route-to in pf is the hammer you want
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14:17 < zyxer> No wait, am I perhaps missunderstanding something. 
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14:18 < zyxer> If I route everything over wg, do incomming requests still work?
14:18 < zyxer> Like, http page, or ssh to my domain
14:19 < dlg> the reply packets for those connections will do a route lookup
14:19 < dlg> so whatever the destination address of those reply packets is will go into the route lookup and decide where they go
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14:23 < dlg> the routing table doesnt care where a connection comes from
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14:35 < IcePic> zyxer: there is a chance that the replies would go the wrong path, and that this would upset the sessions the TCP tries to maintain. But, if you follow phy1729s advice and use rdomains to separate the encrypted packets and "non-tunneled" stuff, then it is fairly easy to make some programs only see the world via the tunnel, and other programs act as if the tunnel doesn't exist
14:36 < Voyager_MP> can anyone tell me how to compile ipxe on obsd ?
14:37 < phy1729> You can set a daemon's rdomain via rcctl and a user's via login.conf
14:38 < IcePic> zyxer: This guide might be of some service for this: https://atelier.aquilenet.fr/projects/aquilenet/wiki/Openbsd_wireguard_rdomain
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15:35 < rpratt> Could someone ponder this with me and tell me if I'm on the right track? I have a docked laptop, so three network interfaces -- wireless, ethernet, and the docked ethernet. I'm thinking I can make a trunk for the two ethernet, and use hotplugd to detect if it's docked or not to add the interface the trunk, because the interface disappears when undocked. I can then use ifstated to tell it to use the ethernet if available, otherwise use wifi? Is there a 
15:35 < rpratt> simpler way? Wifi and Ethernet are on separate networks, so I can't just trunk them all together and call it good.
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15:54 < coreystephanphd> rpratt: Well, I suppose that my Q would be why you want to complicate it by trunking at all. For my docking and undocking, I have very simple scripts with shell aliases like 'dock' and 'dock-work.' Change display arrangement (thanks to arandr allowing one click script output), change sound I/O, update wallpaper arrangement...few lines, no actual scripting required.
15:54 < coreystephanphd> Same thing should be doable easily with network I/O.
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15:55 < thrig> yeah shell scripts work, and were often faster than Mac OS X stumbling around to auto-find the wrong wifi
15:55 < IcePic> I was thinking the other way around, make a wireguard tunnel to the net, and don't care if one, two or three interfaces (all set to dhcp if possible) are up, as long as you get packets over the net, you run via the tunnel. =)
15:56 < Bradipo> Indeed, if the underlying networks are that unreliable, wg seems a sensible approach.
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16:11 < rpratt> That's pretty much what I do now, just manually run a script to set up my docked monitors and network, etc etc. You're right, I am almost definitely just making it more complicated to save two seconds of typing.
16:12 < martian67> hotplugd is fine if it the kernel generates an event
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