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00:28 < bitchin> how to set pipe bufffer to 0 ?
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00:39 < bitchin> fixed :)
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00:55 < thrig> oh hey and now a ports message about lilypond being broken after ghostscript fix
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03:02 < brocashelm> how to get suspend/hibernate to work on xfce? /usr/sbin/zzz no longer works due to apm being removed from support
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03:20 < brynet> brocashelm: zzz works fine, not sure what you mean by "apm being removed", as it wasn't, check the pkgreadme for xfce.
03:22 < brocashelm> it says: zzz: cannot connect to apmd: No such file or directory
03:22 < brocashelm> is there a package i might be missing?
03:24 < brocashelm> both polkit and consolekit2 are installed
03:25 < brocashelm> my ~/.xsession: exec startxfce4 --with-ck-launch
03:26 < brynet> enable apmd.
03:26 < brocashelm> done
03:27 < brocashelm> nice, i see it now
03:27 < brocashelm> let's test
03:28 < brocashelm> hibernate worked, now to bring it back to session
03:28 < brocashelm> that also worked
03:29 < brocashelm> thanks, brynet
03:30 < brynet> np
03:32 < brocashelm> hibernate is still stuck, but at least suspend does what it's supposed to do
03:32 < brocashelm> (i meant suspend for the first one)
03:33 < brocashelm> suspend worked, hibernate didn't
03:38 < brynet> hibernate is usually pretty reliable, do you have swap?
03:38 < brocashelm> yes, about 7-8 gb
03:38 < brocashelm> 16 gb of ram
03:38 < brocashelm> it basically just shut down my computer
03:38 < brynet> that's what hibernate does
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03:39 < brynet> the hibernate image will be restored on the next boot
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03:41 < brocashelm> oh, ok. i had to reopen all my stuff
03:42 < brynet> so it didn't resume properly for some reason.
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03:49 < brocashelm> yeah. also happens on the linux systems without systemd
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03:49 < brocashelm> so something is going on that it won't return from hibernate correctly
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08:04 < lenny1337> hello chat
08:04 < kodcode> Firefox keeps crashing.  Firefox 119.0 20231024182708 20231024182708. Crash Annotation GraphicsCriticalError: |[C0][GFX1-]: CompositorBridgeChild receives IPC close with reason=AbnormalShutdown (t=45.0401) is the latest error.
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08:05 < kodcode> Hi lenny1337 
08:06 < lenny1337> kodcode: my firefox kept crashing too
08:07 < lenny1337> i just removed firefox
08:07 < kodcode> lenny1337: And which browser are you using now?
08:08 < lenny1337> chromium sometimes
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08:09 < lenny1337> chromium/qutebrowser are both good stable options in my experience
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08:10 < schillingklaus> isn't chromium replete with linux-specific bugs errr code?
08:11 < lenny1337> elaborate
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08:13 < schillingklaus> porting qt-webengine to *bsd has been awkward since the middle of last decade at least
08:14 < lenny1337> ah
08:14 < lenny1337> i don't know much about that part
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08:19 < lenny1337> what are the rules for this channel
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08:22 < IcePic> lenny1337: type /topic to see a short breakdown of it
08:23 < lenny1337> ah a support channel
08:23 < lenny1337> are there any off-topic channels?
08:23 < IcePic> its a hangout for openbsd people, nothing official
08:23 < lenny1337> gotcha
08:24 < IcePic> I guess there is #openbsd-social , #openbsd-gaming and possibly some channels for other languages and countries. 
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08:26 < lenny1337> #openbsd-social seems like what i'm looking for, thanks
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08:36 < sonya> lenny1337, try seamonkey, it works here… and links+ for no JS experience… also w3m in console is the best, imo..
08:38 < lenny1337> does links use GTK+
08:38 < sonya> lenny1337, $ links -g "$@" - uses X
08:38 < sonya> no gtk
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08:39 < lenny1337> ah finally
08:39 < lenny1337> i've gone through so many browsers looking for one that doesn't use GTK+ and related libraries
08:39 < sonya> $ links "$@" - is a console variant, but w3m has tabs and.. well.. better suited for integration with mutt & co.
08:41 < sonya> lenny1337, links+ has a VERY limited (imitation) of JS.. it could be mitigated by using proxies like kproxy.com (not ad, just example)
08:41 < lenny1337> no JS is a plus for me
08:41 < lenny1337> i will check out w3m
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08:42 < sonya> ok.. here is links+ and w3m - base browsers with seamonkey for e-banking and other modern stuff
08:43 < lenny1337> is seamonkey a firefox fork
08:44 < sonya> it's based on ff, yes, on "old" ff with security fixes and selected additions
08:44 < pvac> yes, fork of esr version plus old user interface and security fixes, iirc
08:44 < sonya> also it incorporates thunderbird
08:45 < sonya> it's possible, imo, to state that SM is a kind of it's own
08:46 < lenny1337> i'll look into seamonkey in the future
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08:46 < lenny1337> i have no need for JS at the moment so i only needed something like links+
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08:54 < meo> what's this i'm reading about openssh rsa key compromise
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08:56 < meo> ah never mind it isn't openssh
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09:01 < IcePic> meo: was that the thing where you need openssl older than 20 years (so it doesnt validate signatures) and a random fluctuation that makes one prime into another?
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09:04 < meo> IcePic: the lattice attack, differential derivation of primes from errors
09:04 < meo> apparently there's a new version
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09:14 < IcePic> meo: it would still need a ton of luck (as I understand it)
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09:15 < meo> IcePic: yeah apparently current openssh is not vulnerable, and all my keys are ecdsa anyway
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09:17 < IcePic> I meant more that you need a random bit flip that incidentally targets one of your primes and turns it into another prime, (and having an ssl that doesn't verify the signature, which openssl/ssh does) and then one of your primes could be divined. I'm sure on can run the numbers on this, but given the ram space used by opeensh during its lifetime, and that tachyon flipping exactly the prime you were going 
09:18 < IcePic> to use for ssh'ing, it seems a bit far fetched to be scared of
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11:14 < brocashelm> what are some quick commands for controlling sndio master volume levels? one for volume increase, one for volume decrease, and one for mute/toggle (as i like setting up my linux alsa setups)
11:14 < brocashelm> i see the -v argument, but nothing seems to change
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11:20 < sonya> $ /usr/bin/sndioctl
11:21 < sonya> $ /usr/bin/sndioctl output.mute=1
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11:36 < brocashelm> sonya: thanks, it looks like + and - will need to be added, and ! can be used in place of 1 or 0 for mute (toggle)
11:36 < brocashelm> just strange it doesn't sync with xfce4-mixer (using sndio)
11:37 < brocashelm> what would be a more responsive volume applet for the panel?
11:37 < sonya> brocashelm, nope.. it works here with absolute values
11:37 < sonya> but +/- also work
11:37 < sonya> as inc/decr
11:38 < sonya> here i'm happy with cmixer, but all that stuff easily fit into 'wmbutton' config (i'm on WindowMaker-0.96)
11:40 < sonya> and yes, "!" as a toggle works  
11:41 < brocashelm> sonya: oh, ok, i noticed with +0.1 and -0.1 were what i was looking for
11:41 < brocashelm> cmixer, will look into it
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14:38 < jfsimon> Hello, does someone have an idea why vsftpd could hang on login with ssl ?
14:38 < jfsimon> I just finished installed and run the service, it's working except for ssl, i made the certs.
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14:40 < rmeo> are you sure it is the server and not the client that is hanging?
14:41 < thrig> how was ssl bolted on to vsftp, and what firewalls are present
14:41 < jfsimon> i'm not sure indeed
14:42 < jfsimon> it's on a lan, inside
14:42 < jfsimon> i can sftp into it
14:42 < jfsimon> (the client is filezilla on openbsd too)
14:43 < thrig> sftp uses port 22. FTP uses a range of ports, depending
14:43 < rmeo> sftp is ssh
14:43 < jfsimon> It initiales the TLS and stays there stranglely
14:43 < rmeo> openssl s_client to ftp port and see what happens
14:43 < jfsimon> ssh/sftp work, the issue is ftps
14:43 < rmeo> no
14:43 < rmeo> ssh and sftp is completely distinct from vsftpd
14:44 < rmeo> sftp is not actually ftp, it's ssh's own implementation of pseudo-ftp
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14:44 < jfsimon> i know i just mentionned the connection's ok
14:44 < thrig> (if you're having trouble with vsftpd, maybe don't run it?)
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14:44 < jfsimon> actually i'll need ftps as well
14:45 < rmeo> which is what I am saying, use openssl s_client to connect directly to the ftp port and try starttls and see what happens
14:45 < jfsimon> ok
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14:46 < rmeo> you also probably want to raise logging level in vsftpd
14:46 < rmeo> i havent used it for a decade and all I remember is that it is *notoriously* anal about everything
14:46 < thrig> and any ftp client. hopefully ssl got bolted onto the client the same way it did the server
14:47 < thrig> (seriously FTP is a pain, why do you need it?)
14:47 < jfsimon> Just for testsing a client actually
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14:47 < jfsimon> otherwise i'm fine with sftp
14:49 < jfsimon> The ssl is connecting https://pastebin.com/raw/epckVCzf
14:50 < rmeo> it very clearly does not work
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14:50 < rmeo> you want -starttls ftp
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14:51 < jfsimon> -starttls where sorry 
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14:52 < rmeo> openssl s_client ... -starttls ftp
14:53 < jfsimon> Ok it goes "CONNECTED(00000003)" and hangs there
14:53 < jfsimon> My mistake wrong port
14:53 < Zyxer> Hi. How can I do similar command to linuxismus watch ? Or, how can I get xconsole through ssh? I need to keep an eye on dmesg|tail 
14:54 < jfsimon> That seems ok    https://pastebin.com/raw/3SQSzUYa
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14:54 < rmeo> jfsimon: self-signed certificate, give openssl your CA cert 
14:54 < rmeo> -CAfile
14:55 < rmeo> however, the connection itself proceeds, so you may want to check your ftp client settings
14:55 < thrig> watch is something like  while :; do clear; ...; sleep ...; done
14:56 < Zyxer> while sleep 1; do clear; dmesg|tail; done
14:56 < Zyxer> Thanks that works beautifully
14:56 < thrig> unless the sleep fails and breaks the while loop, hence while :;
14:57 < Zyxer> Why would a sleep fail? 
14:57 < thrig> why wouldn't it?
14:57 < Zyxer> Because it just waits for 1 second, doing nothing?
14:58 < thrig> okay, enjoy the while loop breaking sometimes
14:58 < jfsimon> rmeo Thank you for help
14:58 < Zyxer> Ok, welp, I'll change it to what you suggested if it breaks. Thanks for input 
14:59 < rmeo> jfsimon: did it work then
14:59 < thrig> (granted it would most likely fail if the system is out of forks in which case maybe you do want the loop to stop)
15:00 < jfsimon> i don't quite get what i have to do in fact
15:00 < phy1729> pedantically sleep 1 could "fail" if you get a signal during nanosleep, but arguably you want it to break then
15:01 < phy1729> and if you can't fork a sleep, you can't fork a clear or dmesg either so it doesn't much matter (and would prevent a busy loop of errors to break)
15:03 < rmeo> jfsimon: in principle you debug any problem into breaking it into parts and proving that if one part is ok, then it must be the other part, which you then again break into parts
15:03 < rmeo> s/it into/it by/
15:03 < rmeo> derp
15:03 < rmeo> jfsimon: in principle you debug any problem by breaking it into parts and proving that if one part is ok, then it must be the other part, which you then again break into parts
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15:04 < rmeo> in your case the TLS connection is established and the ftp prompt is given, so whatever trouble happens it either happens because the client connection does not establish at all or fully (hence check client settings) or that the problem happens at a later stage
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15:05 < rmeo> typical ftp hangs happen during file transfers because the ftp protocol opens separate connections which may not pass through the firewall or NAT or some other problems, if you were having a problem transferring files i'd say look there
15:05 < rmeo> in your case you want debug logs from the client and the server
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15:05 < jfsimon> Is this something wrong, both rsa_cert_file and rsa_private_key_file pointing to /etc/ssl/private/vsftpd.pem
15:06 < rmeo> did you give your ftp client the ca certificate
15:06 < jfsimon> i see, no i didn't
15:06 < rmeo> a pem file can contain certificates and keys, openssl could connect to it just fine so the key and the cert must be ok
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15:07 < rmeo> since it is a _self_signed certificate, you may need to tell your client to ignore the absence of trust
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15:08 < rmeo> alternatively do it right from the start: start a CA (with e.g. easyrsa), produce an intermediary CA, generate a keypair and sign it in the CA, and then publish the CA certificate to your clients
15:08 < rmeo> in any case your #1 thing to do is enabling client debug log
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15:11 < jfsimon> ok
15:12 < jfsimon> Thanks for infos, i'll get into it
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15:14 < Zyxer> I am confused. I am trying to dd .img file to USB, but it complains that it is full. My command is:
15:14 < Zyxer> doas dd if=file.img of=/dev/sd3
15:15 < Zyxer> shouldn't dd overwrite whatever is on it?
15:15 < thrig> rm /dev/sd3 and try again
15:15 < thrig> this time confirm the file used exists, etc
15:15 < Zyxer> I tab completed the file
15:15 < rmeo> you probably want sd3c
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15:16 < Zyxer> OH Yes, I tried rsdc3, but obviously no work. 
15:16 < Zyxer> Thanks I'll try
15:17 < Zyxer> Yea that works, thanks! 
15:17 < rmeo> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#disklabel
15:17 < rmeo> bsd disk label convention is different from what people are used to in linux
15:17 < Zyxer> Yes, I meant I forgot that the c is to be put after the 3
15:17 < dayid> you tried "rsdc3" or "rsd3c"? https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
15:18 < Zyxer> rsdc3 , I put the c in the wrong place
15:18 < dayid> ah or I type slower than the feedback printed to me :)
15:18 < Zyxer> Haven't done much disk management in OpenBSD so I got the brain fart
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15:20 < Zyxer> c for entire disk, a usually root if it is OS filesystem, b swap, h,i, or j for MSDOS or something
15:21 < Zyxer> Why is there no status=progress? I checked man page of dd and there is no option to show progress while it is dd:ing, or have I jumped the gun too soon?
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15:22 < rmeo> that's a GNU invention
15:23 < thrig> hit it with SIGINFO
15:23 < thrig> or bind ^T or whatever to stty status
15:23 < Zyxer> How do I hit it with siginfo? kill --SIGINFO ?
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15:35 < sonya> Zyxer, $ kill -SIGINFO or -s SIGINFO
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15:57 < samebchase> How do I set /dev/uaudio0 to be my output device and /dev/uaudio1 to be my input device? Does anyone have and sndiod flags handy for this
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15:59 < Zyxer> yes
15:59 < Zyxer> Also, firstly you must enable recording in kernel
16:00 < Zyxer> enabling recording: sysctl kern.audio.record=1
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16:00 < Zyxer> Make the change persistent between boots: echo kern.audio.record=1 >> /etc/sysctl.conf
16:01 < samebchase> yup
16:01 < samebchase> I've done that
16:01 < Zyxer> Then... hmm.... 
16:01 < samebchase> I'm able to enable the microphone, but I can't hear through my headphones
16:01 < samebchase> rcctl set sndiod flags -f rsnd/1 -m play -f rsnd/2 -m rec
16:02 < samebchase> basically, I want rsnd/1 (which corresponds to /dev/uaudio1) to be my output device and rsnd/2 (/dev/uaudio2) to be my input device
16:02 < Bradipo> samebchase: Are you saying that this rcctl command works?
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16:03 < Zyxer> I think you may have to create a virtual device and then subdevices, whereas one sub device is mapped to your headphones and the other is for mic. But I can't remember where I found info on that or if you can do it in a simpler way. I thought it was in faq13, but apparently not
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16:03 < Bradipo> It seems that I've tried to do something like this before and was unsuccessful.
16:04 < samebchase> Bradipo: it does not
16:04 < Zyxer> samebchase: wait, you should be able to use mixerctl to set default output and input. Easier to use than sndio flags
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16:04 < Bradipo> Well, in theory, one shouldn't need to use mixerctl...
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16:05 < Bradipo> Kind of defeats the purpose of sndiod/sndioctl if one has to resort to using mixerctl.
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16:07 < Zyxer> wait, maybe it was sndioctl
16:07 < Zyxer> Yes my bad, sndioctl should be easy to set default input and output device separately
16:07 < Bradipo> I didn't know it was possible to set input/output with sndioctl, except for server.device
16:08 < Zyxer> Also, the dd img to USB is /dev/rsd3c, not sd3c
16:08 < samebchase> Bradipo: I have been using server.device to switch between devices, but there's only one device. How do I set one device to record and the other to the output
16:08 < Zyxer> In my case it is sd3
16:09 < Bradipo> samebchase: I understand.  I'm curious on how to do the same.  I have a set of speakers (where I want output to go) and a microphone (where I want to provide input).
16:09 < samebchase> rcctl set sndiod flags -f rsnd/1 -m play -f rsnd/2 -m rec enables the microphone, but not my earphones
16:09 < samebchase> Basic input and output for sound should not be this difficult 😬
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16:17 < samebchase> why is there only one server.device
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16:17 < samebchase> should I not have one for input and another for output?
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16:19 < samebchase> thanks anyway Bradipo, Zyxer will break my head a bit more with this
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16:29  * sonya is wandering, why audioctl rate changes to 48000 despite manual settings tp 44100
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16:35 < seninha> > fgrep "(TM)" /usr/ports/*/*/pkg/DESCR
16:35 < seninha> should there be a space before (TM)?
16:36 < seninha> I see "Adobe (TM)" and "Technology(TM)"
16:36 < samebchase> Bradipo:  https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/ljyumt/how_to_get_audio_in_from_one_device_and_out_from/ What about setting the AUDIOPLAYDEVICE and AUDIORECDEVICE env variables?
16:36 < samebchase> do you know how one may get around to doing that
16:37 < Bradipo> AUDIOPLAYDEVICE=X; AUDIORECEIVEDEVICE=Y
16:37 < samebchase> the answer on that thread describes that setting these to separate devices can help solve our usecase
16:37 < Zyxer> export AUDIOPLAYDEVICE=
16:37 < Zyxer> x
16:37 < samebchase> correct, the device would be rsnd/1 and rsnd/2 ?
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16:37 < samebchase> or something else?
16:38 < Zyxer> Can't remember. Need to start sndiod without flags I think, then it uses the env variables. You can test to set it different and restart sndiod without flags
16:39 < samebchase> AUDIOPLAYDEVICE=rsnd/1 AUDIORECDEVICE=rsnd/2 sndiod 
16:39 < samebchase> something like that
16:40 < Bradipo> sndio(7) man page has some details.
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16:43 < samebchase> aargh, I'm now a situation where I can do sndioctl server.device=1 or sndioctl server.device=2 and then I can either choose to hear myself talk, or I can choose to allow the other person to hear me talk
16:43 < samebchase> , but not both at the same time
16:43 < samebchase> 😢
16:44 < samebchase> basically enables either the microphone or earphone, but not both 🤯
16:44 < Zyxer> server.input.device
16:44 < Zyxer> Doesn't work?
16:45 < samebchase> I get an error "no such control"
16:45 < samebchase> I just don't understand why only one device should be server.device, should it not allow multiple devices
16:45 < Zyxer> server.device.input? 
16:45 < Zyxer> Hmm... 
16:45 < echelon> why doesn't ssh-keygen allow you to generate dsa keys larger than 1024-bit?
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16:47 < Bradipo> Because, unless I'm mistaken, DSA has a fixed key length.
16:50 < echelon> you can do it in openssl
16:50 < samebchase> https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/y6krnf/comment/isxce07/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button basically it is saying that sndiod cannot work with multiple devices simultaneously. 
16:51 < Zyxer> wat
16:51 < Bradipo> http://man.openbsd.org/ssh-keygen#b
16:52 < echelon> strange, dsa is deprecated at 1024 bits, but they insist on 1024
16:53 < Zyxer> RSA keys are bad?
16:53 < Bradipo> samebchase: You might want to send an email to misc@... or even look through archives.
16:53 < echelon> rsa is deprecated as well
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16:58 < thrig> rare bit flips apparently cause problems for rsa in some wacky devices
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16:59 < thrig> https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/1711.pdf
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17:03 < Bradipo> thrig: Interesting paper.
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17:14 < Filystyn> guys in openbsd makefile
17:14 < Filystyn> is there even option to 
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17:14 < Filystyn> save to var output of shell command
17:14 < Filystyn> im looking at manual a lot here and I seem not to see it possible
17:15 < thrig> if you need gmake just use gmake
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17:19 < pardis> or reconsider if make is the best tool for the job
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17:34 < Filystyn> it's fine if I can't
17:34 < Filystyn> I just wanted to be sure
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17:37 < Guestmodinfo> hi
17:38 < Guestmodinfo> just hanging around nothing to say though
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17:44 < Zyxer> Hi
17:44 < Zyxer> Ok so
17:44 < Zyxer> I have USB 3 hub connected to USB 3 port
17:44 < Zyxer> and USB stick gets 30kb/s
17:44 < Zyxer> USB is USB3
17:45 < Zyxer> Is it driver issue maybe?
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17:47 < ssm_> anyone know if freebsd works in vmm(4) yet
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17:48 < ssm_> or netbsd
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17:48 < IcePic> I seem to recall nbsd having worked, at least previously
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17:49 < IcePic> then again, posts from 2020 says: NetBSD and FreeBSD are not supported guests, due to CPU feature requirements. At this time, only OpenBSD and Linux guests are supported with vmm(4).
17:52 < IcePic> seems like it worked for a while at least, https://twitter.com/pdvyas/status/936161166929272838
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17:59 < ssm_> hmm... blocked domain name
17:59 < ssm_> I'll take your word for itt
17:59 < ssm_> sounds like it's in the same state as before
18:02 < lenny1337> x.com*
18:06 < thrig> sounds like a porn site
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18:06 < Zyxer> lmao
18:06 < lenny1337> thrig: it is
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18:07 < Zyxer> Why do I have under 50kb/s on USB 3 in OpenBSD host? Tried different USB3 on back part of motherboard
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19:09 < IcePic> kodcode: preferably to the source of the package
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21:28 < rmeo> Zyxer: and under other OS its ok?
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21:29 < Zyxer> I am not sure, I need to get home and check. I think the issue came after a BIOS update? Perhaps I need to reinstall some firmware?
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21:34 < Zyxer> It uaed to work under OpenBSD, the only diff now is new CPU and updated BIOS to support the new CPU
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21:35 < Zyxer> Well the USB3 hub was always a bit weird, 
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22:14 < ssm_> https://0x0.st/HvM4.png It happened!!!!!
22:14 < brocashelm> yup!
22:15 < brocashelm> i'm celebrating
22:15 < gry> ssm_: thats a bit manual
22:15 < ssm_> it's more fun that way
22:15 < gry> happy new slice of a year, mate
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22:23 < thrig> 1901 draws closer
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22:48 < lenny1337> does anyone know how to get the socket from a tls struct ptr or do i have to use tls_connect_socket(3) and save the socket fd
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