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10:34 < Posterdati> nice, thunderbird just trashed my 7.4 :)
10:34 < Posterdati> system became irresponsive, I had to power off it :(
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10:42 < brocashelm> claws mail is better IMO
10:43 < brocashelm> seamonkey offers an e-mail client
10:43 < brocashelm> newer builds of firefox and thunderbird really messed up the title bars
10:46 < renaud> claws mail is lighter, but it already broke my mailbox more than once in the past
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12:21 < Posterdati> hi
12:21 < Posterdati> please help, is it possible to use openssl on openbsd for the digital signature of pdf documents using a smartcard? Thanks!
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12:24 < IcePic> Posterdati: might help? https://mwm.is/article-libressl.html
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12:33 < Posterdati> IcePic: reading...
12:33 < Posterdati> IcePic: interesting, thanks
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13:21 < orwell> Moin! ifconfig(8) says carpnodes is a list of vhid:advskew,..., but carp FAQ says vhid has to be the same for all redundancy group members. So why do have carpnodes different vhid's?
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13:31 < orwell> Another question: I defined an alias on a carp interface and now see "duplicate IP address" in dmesg for this ip. Is it possible to define alias ip's on a carp interface?
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14:08 < IcePic> orwell: no, but I think you can have several carp interfaces if you need to respond to multiple shared IPs
14:08 < orwell> ok, good to know! thx
14:09 < IcePic> so those would use diff. vhid's IIRC, to separate the broadcasts from eachother
14:10 < orwell> yeah, I got the reasoning why you should (have to) use the same vhid in the same redundancy group. But I don't get why this is not the case if I want to load balance via carp.
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14:13 < IcePic> if you load balance, you want packets to hit both, in the "normal" mode, you want the switch to only send to the current main carp node
14:15 < orwell> sure, but i though a carp interface would ignore broadcasts from different vhid's. At least in load balancing mode, this seems to be not the case.
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14:35 < Voyager_MP> I clearly don't really understand carp. Lets say I have 2 Server with a em1 crossover, some vlans and vxlan what would be the right carpdev , f I would
14:35 < Voyager_MP> if I would like to have a lb over both machines in one vlan ? 
14:37 < Voyager_MP> Server A: inet 10.192.100.1 255.255.255.255 10.192.100.255 vhid 5 carpdev vlan4000 group HA advbase 1 advskew 100
14:37 < Voyager_MP> Server B: inet 10.192.100.1 255.255.255.255 10.192.100.255 vhid 5 carpdev vlan4000 group HA advbase 1 advskew 0
14:37 < Voyager_MP> works but as master/slave no lb 
14:38 < martian67> carp should not run over crossover, preferably it should run over the outgoing connection to the neighbour carp node
14:38 < martian67> otherwise whats the point? the entire purpose is to detect the other server dissapearing
14:38 < martian67> pfsync is more the usecase for a crossover
14:39 < Voyager_MP> pfsync is running over the crossover em1 
14:39 < Voyager_MP> so vlan4000 as carpdev is right ? 
14:39 < Voyager_MP> Server A: inet 10.192.100.1 255.255.255.255 10.192.100.255 carpdev em1 carpnodes 5:100,6:0 balancing ip
14:39 < martian67> no
14:39 < Voyager_MP> Server B: inet 10.192.100.1 255.255.255.255 10.192.100.255 carpdev em1 carpnodes 5:0,6:100 balancing ip
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14:40 < Voyager_MP> does not work as LB 
14:40 < Voyager_MP> ok @martian67 what would be right ? 
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14:40 < Voyager_MP> em0 is pointing to the ISP 
14:41 < Voyager_MP> VLAN parent device is em0 
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14:42 < orwell> carpdev should be the physical interface in the same subnet as the carp ip
14:43 < orwell> The FAQ has examples: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html
14:47 < IcePic> I think carpdev can be a vlan, if that is how the packets come in
14:48 < orwell> the FAQ says physical, but i guess vlan is okay too
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15:22 < orwell> IcePic: btw, aliases on carp interface are possible and work as expected. I found a device in the network which had the same ip, that's why i saw the duplicate ip messages. I falsely accused alias in carp.
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18:55 < jfsimon1981> Good evening
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19:24 < jungleboogie> Happy Friday!
19:27 < thrig> why is friday happy?
19:31 < crash_> becuse the work for the week is done?
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19:42 < riceandbeans> Is there anything like /etc/os-release or /etc/issue in OpenBSD?
19:43 < thrig> not really
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19:43 < ssm_> riceandbeans: `sysctl kern.osrelease`
19:43 < phy1729> uname -r
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19:43 < riceandbeans> There's a lib I'm writing a patch for for DragonFly at the moment and I'm going to try to get it to also do OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD if I can without too much effort
19:43 < ssm_> riceandbeans: also, `sysctl kern.version`
19:43 < phy1729> A C lib?
19:43 < riceandbeans> Rust
19:44 < riceandbeans> It's sort of Linux centric at the moment
19:44 < riceandbeans> I wanted to build something on DragonFly that depended on that lib and it got mad at me so I decided to patch it so I could move to a new error 
19:44 < phy1729> #[cfg(target_os = "openbsd")] or something like that
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20:53 < lester29> hey, I want to setup my own router based on openbsd and I need a 4g lte modem. which modem should I buy? I want this modem to be seen as device with public ip, not private. I've orange vpn
20:54 < lester29> I have a public ip address assigned to my sim
20:54 < codermattie> Verizon has a home modem, has ethernet interface
20:54 < codermattie> 4g is pretty garbage now
20:55 < lester29> I need a modem that will work in Poland
20:56 < codermattie> whoever sells celluar in poland should have something
20:56 < codermattie> poland doesnt have 5g?
20:56 < lester29> it has 5g
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20:59 < codermattie> I have celluar as a backup, but if I needed something other than a line as a main connection I would get starlink
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21:13 < opv> Could someone knowledgeable tell me, does a public DNS forwarder suffer from the same issues a public resolver does?
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21:19 < thrig> public implies that naughty folks can try cache corruption and other such tricks
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21:25 < codermattie> opv: you can run your own domain server pretty easy
21:26 < codermattie> opv: but domain has no privacy fundamentally
21:32 < opv> it's not about putting up own records, it's to provide adblock to users
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21:58 < codermattie> opv: ghostery
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22:03 < Bradipo> opv: What's the difference between a "DNS forwarder" and a "DNS resolver"?
22:03 < opv> the former forwards queries to anothe resolver instead of resolving them itself
22:04 < Bradipo> If it's public it's public, I don't know why it would matter if one resolver forwards all requests to another resolver.
22:05 < dayid> opv: If you're trying to provide adblock to users, restrict your DNS server to those user's IPs and voila you no longer have an open/public resolver.
22:05 < dayid> If you have roaming IPs, authpf and other things can assist with that.
22:05 < Bradipo> Or VPN.
22:06 < dayid> Otherwise you're likely better off using existing services.
22:06 < dayid> Bradipo: Yeah, likely even preferred - true.
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22:07 < opv> i wasn't aware of authpf, that's very useful
22:07 < opv> the use case i'm trying to solve is users using not a vpn, but a proxy
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22:09 < phy1729> I switched from authpf to wg. Still can tie an IP to a user, but easier to have automatic for the user.
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22:16 < Bradipo> Well, if you control the proxy, then your resolver could permit just the proxy.
22:16 < Bradipo> Or the proxy could forward DNS lookups to your resolver, whateve.r
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22:21 < dayid> I haven't tinkered with wg yet. My case for authpf is purely where I have severe work VPNs already guiding/taking over routing crap but still need to access certain things remotely that I don't want wide open.
22:22 < dayid> (and the exposure of my remote-endpoint/server to the NAT'd VPN IP of $workVPN (where yes - other staff may be able to see/hit it) isn't a hazard outside of my comfort/threat-model)
22:26 < opv> thank you Bradipo , i can't believe i didn't think...
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22:37 < Bradipo> opv: That only works if you're proxy is handling DNS resolution for the user and the user didn't resolve prior to hitting the proxy.
22:38 < Bradipo> s/'re/r/
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