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00:48 < zyxer> BAH, finally. Back
00:48 < zyxer> I killed my internet. Due to poweroutage once every 2 months, I decided I should reinstall my router without encryption, so I gave OPNsense a try
00:49 < zyxer> Worst mistake 
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00:49 < zyxer> Setting up OpenBSD router from vanilla installation is easier than setting a second NIC interface as LAN on OPNsense
00:50 < zyxer> I had to ******* disconnect ethernets cable and switch place, like at step 3 or 4, and then refresh until the interface came, to be able to keep setting up 2 LAN ports 
00:50 < zyxer> Then I regretted my decisions and went back to OpenBSD router
00:52 < zyxer> Also port forward was so extremely complicated in the interface. My reason for that bloat was "I barely have time so I guess a bit bloat for convinience can be had. Lemme try OPNsense"
00:52 < zyxer> It was not convinient
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00:53 < zyxer> 200 options in port forward page. Now, I am not the brightest or most tech savvy in the world. But I done port forwarding in like 5 different UIs and also in terminal, I connect using terminal emulation COMport rs232, I can setup servers and use i2p tunneling for some IRC server. But that OPNsense portforward page was confusing for me
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00:54 < zyxer> Yes this is a bit of a rant with the point I am not leaving from OpenBSD on router. The router was also getting very very VERY hot running OPNsense. 
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01:09 < Bradipo> zyxer: Sometimes best to stick with what works.
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01:15 < zyxer> Yea, but anoying that I can't reach server or antyhing without going home and decrypt router. 
01:15  * topcat001 is crying over Cisco AnyConnect because wg "what"? (reaction from management)
01:15 < zyxer> Cisco AnyCopenect
01:16 < topcat001> ridiculous pos
01:16 < zyxer> Point of Sale?
01:16 < zyxer> wat
01:16 < topcat001> no the other expansion :)
01:16 < topcat001> it's a VPN
01:17 < zyxer> I am not native english speaker, I worked as tech support for McD and all PoS:es I know is Point of Sale
01:18 < thrig> Piece of ...
01:18 < zyxer> oh
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01:18 < zyxer> I see
01:18 < topcat001> Sorry, didn't want to spam too much. POS also stands for piece of **!rainbows***
01:18 < topcat001> yes :)
01:19 < topcat001> I use wg with OpenBSD and Linux nodes and it works so well. Was demoing it.
01:20 < zyxer> The only reason to not use wg is when you don't want others to know that you are even using VPN
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01:21 < zyxer> But if only security and Network access is needed then wg is amazing
01:21 < topcat001> well anyconnect needs a helper app and is a pain to use even on windows
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01:21 < zyxer> All things are a pain in the ass on windows, except internet. 
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02:07 < SOLARIS_s> hmm
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02:24 < Bradipo> AnyConnect is unstable too.
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02:38 < SOLARIS_s> bradipo bigtime
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03:24 < deltahotel> after each reboot my passphrase to decrypt the hard drive is incorrect, I have to turn off and then turn on again so that my passphrase is correct.  An idea of ​​the problem ?
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03:26 < Bradipo> What's wrong with the hardware?
03:29 < deltahotel> I do not understand your question
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03:33 < deltahotel> https://pastebin.com/0Uf0dWZj
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03:35 < fro> so when you reboot your passphrase doesn't work but if you turn the machine off and on again it works?
03:35 < fro> that's what you're saying, right?
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03:37 < deltahotel> yes
03:40 < SOLARIS_s> fawk
03:43 < SOLARIS_s> anyone on -current?
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03:47 < fro> i'm on current
03:48 < fro> why?
03:48 < ssm_> I have a -current vm for testing ports before submitting them, but that's it
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04:32 < lockywolf_> How do I generate a port for a Golang package?
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04:35 < ssm_> ports aren't generated, they are written
04:36 < thrig> with blood and tears
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04:37 < ssm_> lockywolf_: $(PORTSROOT)/infrastructure/templates/Makefile.template may be of interest
04:37 < ssm_> also reading other ports
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04:52 < phy1729> lockywolf_: https://man.openbsd.org/portgen
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05:26 < AlaskanEmily> How can I disable the warnings when linking about sprintf/strcpy/etc? I'm getting kind of spammed on them from third-party libraries.
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05:50 < brynet> AlaskanEmily: There's no way to disable those warnings without recompiling libc.
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06:57 < tercaL> good morning
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11:52 < zyxer> Morning!
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12:03 < gry_> hi zetef 
12:03 < gry_> howdy
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12:09 < zetef> hello guys
12:14 < zyxer> Hiii!!!
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16:22 < emmanuelux> lol i just understand to have pftop on different rdomain : route -T1 exec pftop (no google for once)
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17:08 < Filystyn> guys how do i detect openbsd make ?
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17:15 < op2> Filystyn: if uname yields "OpenBSD" the you can be pretty sure /usr/bin/make is OpenBSD make
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17:16 < op2> there's $unix set to "We run OpenBSD." predefined too
17:16 < op2> but not sure how much you can depend on it
17:16 < Filystyn> k
17:16 < op2> what are you trying to do?
17:18 < Filystyn> i wrote obsd makefile but wanted gmake to work also
17:19 < Filystyn> ofc moving to obj in gmake seems like impossible <sight>
17:19 < op2> if you stick to (more or less) POSIX make stuff it'll works out of the box
17:19 < op2> yeah... for 'fancy' stuff like obj it won't work
17:19 < Filystyn> Christ 2022 and this is fancy
17:19 < op2> but you can write a separate GNUMakefile, GNU makes uses it instead of Makefile if found
17:20 < Filystyn> Im thinking about it yeah just go with seprate makefiles
17:20 < op2> yeah, everything that resembles conditionals, looping, obj/vpath is "fancy" and implemented in icnompatible ways
17:20 < op2> thanks $deity at least there's an include in the posix make stuff :)
17:20 < Filystyn> yeah but .PATH.c vs vpath that is fine
17:21 < Filystyn> I thought gmake is like super fancy and have all features
17:22 < Filystyn> im close to moving make to obj and just tell user to make -C obj
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17:44 < Filystyn> did that all works fine one line more in make VPATH + additional make that redirects target commands to make in obj xD  ${MAKE} $@  
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17:58 < jca> Filystyn: another approach would be to just use posix make (and maybe a few portable extensions).  nobody suggested that obj directories were a standard practice for portable distributions.
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18:00 < jca> in my experience the most complicated the build system is, the most time people waste to adapt it to their operating systemor specific needs.
18:01 < Filystyn> cmake kind of solvs make chaos but this one wanted to have in make
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19:03 < armin> I don't have a strong opinion about cmake
19:03 < armin> I can accept the fact that it exists. :)
19:05 < thrig> I got autotools building a c library before cmake did anything useful
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19:43 < ssm__> cmake is my least favorite toolchain
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19:44 < ssm__> every time I try writing a port that uses cmake I die inside
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19:46 < hiddener> i follow this https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2023-08-18-prosody-migrating-to-sqlite.html and when I run gmake it returns Makefile:2: ../../config.unix: No such file or directory
19:46 < hiddener> any ideas?
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21:18 < hiddener> oh, I didn't configure prosody port, now I can migrate the storage yay
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22:09 < kn07_> hi
22:09 < kn07_> what is openbsd used for?
22:10 < thrig> consuming electricity (with side effects)
22:10 < kn07_> indeed. does it have any strong points?
22:11 < kn07_> why would you use openbsd instead of linux?
22:12 < thrig> linux is a clown show of complexity with bad defaults. how much would you be paying me to use linux?
22:13 < quinq> 1€
22:13 < kn07_> can you find jobs on openbsd?
22:13 < kn07_> is there a demand for it?
22:13 < quinq> I demand for it
22:13 < kn07_> why should I learn openbsd?
22:14 < quinq> To make you a better person
22:14 < kn07_> is it the most profitable way to become a better person?
22:15 < quinq> I don't know what's a profitable way
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22:15 < phy1729> There's a focus on security by default and sane defaults and keeping things simple (unnecessary features hide bugs)
22:15 < metavoid> just take a servicedesk job at an MSP and work your way to replace all server OS with openbsd in a few years
22:15 < metavoid> create the jobs for yourself
22:16 < kn07_> why would I do that?
22:16 < quinq> To get money, to buy food and shelter
22:16 < kn07_> that's what I'm asking: can I get a job if I focus on openbsd?
22:17 < kn07_> or I learn it for the sake of simplicity and to become a better person?
22:17 < metavoid> build your own enterprise focusing on OpenBSD, this will create lots of job for you
22:17 < kn07_> what am I going to do with that knowledge?
22:18 < quinq> Explore the next frontier
22:18 < kn07_> oh, and until then what am I going to eat? keycaps?
22:18 < metavoid> soylent green
22:20 < quinq> Love and fresh water, like god intended to
22:20 < kn07_> i have a strange feeling that all of you are milionares
22:20 < kn07_> am I wrong?
22:21 < thrig> very, very wrong
22:21 < kn07_> just geeks, thrig?
22:22 < sonya> i'd say the ones with love to Unix and sanity..
22:23 < kn07_> sonya that means poor?
22:24 < sonya> not related.. that just means to do the way each seems fit
22:24 < metavoid> Why does this remind me of those chat bots people throw in channels to build machine learning models with...
22:24 < metavoid> having masturbating monkeys reply to all nonsense
22:24 < sonya> may be the same story..
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22:26 < quinq> I'm rolling in gold
22:26  * sonya guess it's time to …
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22:27 < topcat001> Even if you (have to) use Linux or Windows for work it is useful to know other OSs, and OpenBSD is a fine OS.
22:28 < topcat001> Just manage your expectations and choose the hardware correctly.
22:29  * sonya is thinking about "No Starch Press" porn before sleep..
22:29 < topcat001> dammit now I am too
22:30 < topcat001> have quite a few NSP books :)
22:30 < sonya> :)
22:32 < sonya> have a nice day/eve,need to go… bb
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