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07:12 < kodcode> Good morning all.
07:24 < echelon> guten morgen
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07:40  * sonya after YEARS finally wrote bin/kernel_reorder_forced script.. how could i live without it.. oh… :))  https://clbin.com/vxMwR
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07:44 < quinq> sonya, not sure it'll work as you expect
07:44 < quinq> You'll get an empty /var/db/kernel.SHA256 at best
07:45 < sonya> it works.. sh /usr/libexec/reorder_kernel - is for regular reorder
07:45 < sonya> yes!  empty /var/db/kernel.SHA256 - that's the point
07:45 < sonya> for laptop it's a bit annoying to have on start such power consuming operation
07:46 < sonya> so we (i) do reorder after syspatch and on occasion
07:47 < quinq> ah ok.
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07:48 < sonya> np.. and another one, called "bin/pkg_total_size" : https://clbin.com/rRVkR
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07:48 < sonya> :)))
07:49 < sonya> "have a nice day"©™
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08:14 < Posterdati> sonya: hi
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08:24 < sonya> hello
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09:21 < tercaL> hi
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11:39 < zyxer> Hi
11:40 < zyxer> Why do old wireless network PCMCIA cards say that they have to accept interference from CIA FBI MSNBC or whoever even if it may cause undesired operation?
11:40 < zyxer> Like, man, how long ago did they start backdooring things? 
11:40 < sibiria> don't new ones as well?
11:41 < pardis> it's in the name, they're not PCM cards
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11:54 < babz> it's electromagentic compatibility regulation
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11:59 < rmeo> so turns out I can write C
11:59 < rmeo> i should hack on something
11:59 < gry> GG
12:02  * sonya 've heard, that the ability to read is a priviledge for elite citizens… the rest are using smartphones, internet, tv's and other types of media…
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13:42 < zyxer> sibiria: not on the physical chip afaik
13:43 < zyxer> https://img.tradera.net/images/830/548874830_cff75fa9-b4a6-49a8-9861-d18d071e2ac3.jpg
13:44 < sibiria> that looks like standard compliance stuff
13:44 < zyxer> Yea
13:44 < sibiria> european countries have the same requirements on loads of stuff
13:44 < zyxer> I just thought it didn't start with the wireless twch forcing you to accept getting hacked
13:44 < sibiria> but the phrasing is interesting from a legal perspective :)
13:44 < zyxer> Or, "forcing"
13:45 < zyxer> Yes, you have to accept interference directed to your device
13:45 < zyxer> Isn't hacking through wifi interpretable as interference?
13:46 < sibiria> "tolerate" would maybe cause legally unwanted effects for a backdoor situation
13:46 < zyxer> And why can't I mod the hardware, or laptop, or whatever it cobnects to, to reduce interference?
13:46 < phy1729> no
13:46 < zyxer> "You have to accept the interference"
13:46 < zyxer> 🧐🤔
13:47 < zyxer> Anyway, openBSD on 16mb RAM is tough yea?
13:48 < sibiria> very
13:48 < zyxer> I looked at those PCMCIA cards because I have a laptop that have them slots and need such a card for wifi or even rj45 etherneting
13:48 < zyxer> Starting to accept it runs windows 3.1, but kollibriOS seems interesting
13:48 < zyxer> But now we 100% off topic
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13:57 < babz> it basically means: if a wifi card detects a radar, it should stop emitting on this frequency
13:58 < zyxer> Yea I get the first rule
13:58 < zyxer> But the second!
13:58 < zyxer> ?*
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14:12  * sonya has 486 (dx or even sx) compaq notebook from early '90.. dos and win-3.11 for workgroups, works fine, battery is dead… prefer use it as it is (for old games in native OS env)…
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15:29 < zyxer> Ugh... I booted up old old OLD OpenBSD drive
15:30 < zyxer> Now I have no network. Network cable connected and all. I changed hostname.me0 or whatever it was (new hardware, only kept the old drive) to ifconfig output of re0.
15:30 < zyxer> Now I doas sh /etc/netstart and also reboot
15:31 < zyxer> I get IP adress but hostname... Wait I forgot to check my resolv.conf maybe that thing is the cause
15:33 < zyxer> Ok I fixed resolv.conf, how do I reload it?
15:34 < thrig> reload what?
15:34 < zyxer> Nvm it appears a typo came when I fixed it
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15:35 < zyxer> Hehehe, it workey
15:36 < zyxer> I had forgotten I changed my XenoDM, gave me a shuckle when I booted it after a long time
15:36 < zyxer> https://bin.void-linux.xyz/upload/bat-rat-wasp
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15:45 < dfdx> phy1729: yesterday you said /var/www/conf was in base. I just wanted to double-check this, and I don't see it listed in heir(8). Is there some other resource I need to look at to better understand the mandatory directories in base? 
15:45 < dfdx> thanks in advance!
15:46 < thrig> pkglocate www/conf | grep base
15:47  * dfdx doesn't have pkglocatedb installed.
15:48 < dfdx> hm... 
15:49 < dfdx> this is actually very helpful, thanks thrig.
15:49 < phy1729> /etc/mtree/4.4BSD.dist lists it
15:50 < sonya> dfdx, tar tvzf /path/to/base.tgz | grep \/var\/www\/conf
15:51 < phy1729> src/distrib/sets/lists/base/mi
15:52 < dfdx> phy1729: wow. okay perfect. thanks yet again.
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15:54 < sodiew> hello, I have a machine with mips64 architecture openbsd. The official documentation does not seem to support full disk encryption for this architecture. How should I encrypt it full(or almost full) disk? I don't know and can't find a way to do it.
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15:55 < dfdx> sonya: thank you as well.
15:56 < sonya> dfdx,  np, pkglocate (pkg_locate) is, imo, much better solution for such things
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16:39 < sodiew> sorry for my bad network, did I sent out my question?
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16:44 < acidfoo> anyone tried openbsd on a Beelink Mini PC with an intel N95 cpu
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17:11 < sonya> sodiew, i don't have mips64 with OBSD, but, if bioctl (man 8 bioctl) is not supported (as for other arches), you can always try various encryption tools… the're many of'em (should be) in packages/ports..
17:15 < sonya> sodiew, as an example, try:  $ pkg_info -aQ crypt 
17:19 < sonya> or install (# pkg_add pkglocatedb ) pkglocate and search local ports/packages db ($ man 1 pkglocate)
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17:23 < pardis> the problem is not being able to encrypt the disk, but bootloader support for a *fully* encrypted disk
17:24 < pardis> sodiew: the only partitions that are needed before /etc/rc.securelevel runs are /, /tmp, /usr and /var
17:25 < sonya> yes, so proper partitioning/design is needed…
17:25 < pardis> so you can have those unencrypted and put the rest into an encrypted partition, then prompt for a passphrase to unlock it in /etc/rc.securelevel
17:25 < pardis> that is your earliest opportunity to unlock a disk without making custom modifications to the base system itself
17:26 < pardis> I suppose technically you could also abuse hostname.if(5) for this purpose but that sounds horrid
17:26 < monkeybusiness> Hi, is the openbsd package repo down?
17:26 < pardis> unlikely
17:26 < avemestr> monkeybusiness: Mirror. What does your /etc/installurl say?
17:27 < sonya> pardis, is /usr and /var are needed unencrypted?
17:27 < pardis> they are needed prior to /etc/rc.securelevel being executed, so yes if using this approach
17:28 < pardis> you can make /tmp an mfs so it will never touch disk unencrypted as well
17:28 < pardis> and /usr should contain only the base system so there is nothing secret on it
17:28 < monkeybusiness> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD: looks like a DNS issue
17:28 < monkeybusiness> checking
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17:29 < sonya> hmm.. thanks.. but afair, used to go without'em.. mfs with excess of RAM is a gift, yes
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17:30 < avemestr> monkeybusiness: You could try changing it to a specific mirror.
17:30 < monkeybusiness> sure. will do it then
17:31 < pardis> or show us any actual output from pkg_add whatsoever instead of your conclusions based on what you've seen
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17:33 < sodiew> sounds interesting
17:34 < sonya> i went with mcrypt mostly
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17:38 < monkeybusiness> avemestr: that worked
17:38 < monkeybusiness> Thanks
17:42 < sodiew> so the plan is set a decryption command/program/service in rc.securelevel? sounds really hacker, any program/service suggest to use? I'm gonna search it
17:44 < IcePic> sonya: which mips64 is it?
17:45 < sodiew> loongson laptop
17:45 < pardis> sodiew: just use the commands in the FAQ for decrypting and mounting disks, but in /etc/rc.securelevel
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17:45 < pardis> if you can write a shell script it's braindead easy
17:45 < pardis> if you can't write a shell script, time to learn shell scripting, you'll need it on Unix
17:46 < thrig> hacking!
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17:46 < IcePic> at least octeons load a smallish kernel as a "bootloader", so it might be possible for that one to unlock the rest of the system
17:47 < sodiew> wow, really hacking lol
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17:49 < sodiew> and I also have a edgerouter lite, octeon device as my router, but no encryption requirement on it
17:50 < sodiew> gonna to try encrypt it, thanks really useful information guys
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17:51 < IcePic> I haven't tried it, but the thing preventing platforms from having FDE is that the bootloader needs to be able to decrypt stuff, and from a cursory glance, a kernel should be able to, if it is not stripped down so much that this part fell off
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21:55 < metavoid> anybody got problems building Python 3.10 and 3.11 in current?
21:56 < metavoid> this fix gives me the same error as its supposed to fix: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=169989204001628&w=2
21:57 < metavoid> also on lot of other symbols: ld.lld: error: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 cannot be used against symbol '__profd_tolower'; recompile with -fPIC
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22:02 < jca> what's in -current should build.  are you using an up to date snapshot and ports cvs repository?
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22:04 < jca> (also don't forget to run make clean before retrying)
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22:06 < metavoid> yeah, latest snapshot and ports
22:07 < metavoid> it worked on #1441 interestingly, but not later snapshots
22:07 < metavoid> I'll try a make clean
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22:14 < metavoid> jca: yay thanks, that fixed it :) Should have thought of that when updating snapshot and ports :P
22:16 < jca> heh
22:16 < thrig> some of those build files can be objectionable
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22:18 < metavoid> also amazing how much software is dependent on python...so many fails :p
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