--- Log opened Thu Nov 23 00:00:30 2023 00:00 -!- utkojhamela [~utkojhame@37.111.219.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:04 < ssm_> what's your favorite non-WYSIWYG word processor? only ones I know of are mandoc (not really suited for general usage like school that needs specific page margins and the like), and texlive/latex (massive) 00:07 < ssm_> maybe mandoc's roff implementation would fit my usecase 00:08 -!- lovisabet [~virys@user/lovisabet] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:13 -!- nhill [~nhill@99-147-119-82.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 00:16 < thrig> groff or heirloom-doctools exist 00:19 -!- quiliro` [~user@181.199.58.225] has joined #openbsd 00:19 -!- desnudopenguino1 [~Thunderbi@c-73-35-234-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 00:22 -!- quiliro [~user@181.199.58.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:22 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@c-73-35-234-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:22 -!- desnudopenguino1 is now known as desnudopenguino 00:23 -!- timebender [~timebende@sc-206-217-23-68.sumnercomm.net] has joined #openbsd 00:25 < caze> Brother WP-80 00:27 < phy1729> latex was nice in college. math and physics notes were so pretty (once rendered) 00:29 -!- quiliro`` [~user@157.100.200.94] has joined #openbsd 00:29 -!- timebender [~timebende@sc-206-217-23-68.sumnercomm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32 -!- quiliro` [~user@181.199.58.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32 < ssm_> gonna try heirloom-doctools 00:34 -!- nhill [~nhill@99-147-119-82.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:37 -!- utkojhamela [~utkojhame@37.111.219.60] has joined #openbsd 00:38 < ssm_> phy1729: texlive is so gigantic you might as well just install libreoffice at that point 00:38 < phy1729> Eh, but at least I can still use vim 00:40 * ssm_ wonders how many of the bloatports on openbsd are just to attract new users before they switch to the better stuff 00:43 < thrig> more likely someone wanted it for something 00:43 < ssm_> That's the rational answer, I want the ideal answer 00:43 < phy1729> There is no one ideal 00:44 < phy1729> You pick the right tool for the job and for your preferences 00:46 -!- nhill [~nhill@99-147-119-82.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 00:46 * ssm_ smacks phy1729 around a lot with an undersized trout 00:47 < phy1729> Even base doesn't have just one shell or editor or wm. 00:48 < thrig> I keep my relationship with ideals strictly platonic 00:49 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49 -!- quiliro`` [~user@157.100.200.94] has quit [Quit: ĝis revido] 00:51 -!- nhill [~nhill@99-147-119-82.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:00 -!- monolith [~rm@p5de94b33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01 -!- gvg_ [~dcd@user/gvg] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:03 -!- gvg_ [~dcd@user/gvg] has joined #openbsd 01:04 -!- nhill [~nhill@99-147-119-82.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 01:05 -!- nhill [~nhill@99-147-119-82.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:05 -!- black_dinamo [~black_din@189.5.138.141] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:08 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@178.220.63.32] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:18 -!- PyR3X [~PyR3X@user/pyr3x] has quit [Quit: quit] 01:19 -!- PyR3X [~PyR3X@user/pyr3x] has joined #openbsd 01:22 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:27 -!- sergiomiguelrp__ [~quassel@190.123.237.219] has joined #openbsd 01:38 < PyR3X> I have a pf rule "pass out log on egress from egress" and "pass out on egress from ! egress" with the idea of logging traffic only generated from the gateway itself (not internal traffic) but it's also logging outbound from internal ips...what am I missing? 01:42 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@1.9.207.33] has joined #openbsd 01:45 < dlg> im guessing you're natting internal IPs to the external one 01:45 < dlg> maybe with a match rule before that pass rule 01:46 * dlg shrug 01:47 < dlg> if you want to log locally generated traffic try "pass out log on egress !received-on any" 01:48 < PyR3X> dlg: ah yeah the natting... i'll give that a shot 01:59 * topcat001 still uses latex heavily at work (math/equations and notes). 02:04 < topcat001> vim + xpdf tiled for that (fake) wysiwyg feeling :) 02:10 < thrig> what you save is what you generate 02:10 < PyR3X> dlg: did not work 02:13 -!- gce108 [~gce@user/gce108] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15 -!- gce108 [~gce@user/gce108] has joined #openbsd 02:17 < PyR3X> tagging internal traffic worked 02:32 -!- echelon [~echelon@gateway/tor-sasl/steerpike] has joined #openbsd 02:32 < echelon> what's a pbx system that will run on openbsd? 02:35 -!- jellyjam [~jellyjam@2601:644:4286:8d00:997e:b352:52fe:583c] has joined #openbsd 02:36 < echelon> yikes this is stale https://github.com/tbullock/freeswitch-openbsd 02:37 < PyR3X> why not asterix 02:38 < echelon> i heard freeswitch is supposed to be better, better code implementation, developed by former asterisk developers 02:40 -!- AlaskanEmily [~AlaskanEm@user/alaskanemily] has joined #openbsd 02:43 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:44 -!- utkojhamela [~utkojhame@37.111.219.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17 -!- jlammrs [~jlammrs@185.70.239.135] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:23 -!- thrig [~thrig@c-73-225-161-25.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:51 -!- remiliascarlet [~remiliasc@FL1-61-203-115-200.chb.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Changing host] 03:51 -!- remiliascarlet [~remiliasc@user/remiliascarlet] has joined #openbsd 04:07 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@1.9.207.33] has quit [Quit: edthix] 04:30 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:32 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BD3B000DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:33 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BC65A00DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 04:44 -!- MelanieMalik is now known as Reinhilde 04:47 -!- mlw [~mlw@154.127.5.189] has joined #openbsd 05:00 -!- Leonarbro [~Leo@user/leonarbro] has quit [Quit: Bye] 05:13 -!- Z_O [~zero@user/Z-O/x-2536656] has joined #openbsd 05:19 -!- jas-maelstrom [~jas@2600:8803:7685:4e00::b02d] has joined #openbsd 05:35 -!- qqq [~qqq@92.43.167.61] has joined #openbsd 05:37 -!- koo5 [~quassel@vmi579006.contaboserver.net] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 05:38 -!- koo5__ [~quassel@vmi579006.contaboserver.net] has joined #openbsd 05:52 -!- Bloodbirds [~brds@gateway/tor-sasl/sgm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53 -!- Bloodbirds [~brds@gateway/tor-sasl/sgm] has joined #openbsd 05:53 -!- martian67 [~martian67@user/martian67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54 -!- martian67 [~martian67@user/martian67] has joined #openbsd 05:55 -!- tercaL [~tercaL@user/tercal] has joined #openbsd 06:05 -!- A7ice is now known as A1ice 06:11 -!- jastrom [~jastrom@mailer.nolife.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:13 -!- ke5c2fin [~ke5c2fin@c-76-155-69-222.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 06:16 < ke5c2fin> My APU2 running OpenBSD crashes often, during large downloads or when left on over night, it has done so since I first installed it during 6.something. I have read this page but I need help what exactly I should do to troubleshoot this https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html 06:17 -!- timebender [~timebende@sc-206-217-23-68.sumnercomm.net] has joined #openbsd 06:22 -!- timebender [~timebende@sc-206-217-23-68.sumnercomm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:43 -!- A1ice [~A1ice@gateway/tor-sasl/a1ice] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44 -!- A1ice [~A1ice@gateway/tor-sasl/a1ice] has joined #openbsd 06:48 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 06:52 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p54855246.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 06:54 -!- martian67 [~martian67@user/martian67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 -!- martian67 [~martian67@user/martian67] has joined #openbsd 06:59 -!- AlaskanEmily [~AlaskanEm@user/alaskanemily] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01 -!- utkojhamela [~utkojhame@37.111.219.60] has joined #openbsd 07:07 -!- horrad [~horrad@p50989fe8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 07:11 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 07:16 < rIMpossible> ÂGood morning. 07:17 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 07:17 < rIMpossible> I was wondering how one can start an application in cwm(1) in it's own autogroup? Like in fvwm2 07:18 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 07:25 < sonya> rIMpossible, ?? https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/cwm-autogroup-workings.86548/ 07:27 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 07:28 -!- davlefou [~davlefou@2a01:e0a:5f4:4bd0:feb1:5e17:9772:4e6c] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:29 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Client Quit] 07:33 -!- Jaywalker [~Jaywalker@209.33.126.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:34 -!- Jaywalker [~Jaywalker@209.33.126.194] has joined #openbsd 07:36 < rIMpossible> sonya: Thank you 07:36 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-45-95.toya.net.pl] has joined #openbsd 07:41 -!- Z_O [~zero@user/Z-O/x-2536656] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:43 -!- gbowne1 [~gbowne1@97.113.91.0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43 -!- Foxy_ [~fox@user/Foxy/x-8224177] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 07:45 -!- Foxy_ [~fox@user/Foxy/x-8224177] has joined #openbsd 07:48 -!- teliu [~teliu@2001:9e8:83d2:6600:db78:45fc:9ad0:405b] has joined #openbsd 07:56 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 07:58 -!- antranigv [~antranigv@37.252.78.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00 -!- davlefou [~davlefou@82.66.170.42] has joined #openbsd 08:00 -!- antranigv [~antranigv@37.252.78.252] has joined #openbsd 08:12 -!- reset [~reset@user/reset] has quit [Quit: reset] 08:15 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-45-95.toya.net.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.5] 08:18 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-45-95.toya.net.pl] has joined #openbsd 08:29 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has joined #openbsd 08:30 -!- danilogondolfo [~danilogon@37.228.206.65] has joined #openbsd 08:30 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41 -!- teliu [~teliu@2001:9e8:83d2:6600:db78:45fc:9ad0:405b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42 -!- moviuro [~moviuro@znc.popho.be] has quit [Quit: Reboot? 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Is it a file somewhere that the options are entered? 10:41 < xjl> amd64 architecture, the option is WS_KERNEL_BG. where does it go? 10:42 < bountyht> THe easiest way is probably to do config -e -o /bsd.new /bsd that will drop you to a prompt from which you can change the config options 10:42 < bountyht> THen you boo into /bsd.new instead of bsd kernel 10:42 < xjl> i can see it's not at the ukc ... 10:42 < xjl> I did try that 10:43 < xjl> typing option... is not really an option 10:44 < renaud> at boot prompt, use "bsd -c", it will drop you in ukc 10:44 < pardis> no, it won't 10:44 < pardis> kernel options are C #defines 10:44 < pardis> there is no way to change that without rebuilding 10:45 < renaud> ah, I didn't see the WS_KERNEL_BG 10:45 < xjl> the man for config looks like it has it.. but it doesn't actually.. couple of options in boot.conf that aren't real either. 10:46 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46 < xjl> goal. change the text color and background color to black, or hide blue background/white text kernel messages, without compiling. 10:47 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 10:47 < xjl> (and not redirecting to a com port - doesn't work) 10:49 < xjl> if it's not possible, then it's not possible... but maybe some other creative way.. ? 10:51 < renaud> as pardis said, there is no way to change that specific option without recompiling 10:51 < xjl> k. 10:55 -!- A1ice [~A1ice@gateway/tor-sasl/a1ice] has quit [Quit: Unlibre time out!] 10:56 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ZtevOz] 10:56 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 10:59 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 10:59 < sonya> xjt, not sure.. but /usr/src/sys/dev/wsfont/wsfont.c is the one to edit and rebuild wscons driver 11:00 < xjl> ok thanks.. there is a config for that... would that have anything? 11:01 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 11:01 < xjl> I mean, that may be where to change it, right, if I were going to recompile, the wsfont.c? Is that what you're saying? 11:01 < sonya> yes 11:01 < xjl> different than wsconsctl.conf... 11:02 < sonya> colors are compiled/hardcoded in wscons driver, so it should be recompiled 11:02 < pardis> no, don't modify C source files 11:02 < pardis> just add it as an option in the kernel config file 11:03 < sonya> ?? WS_KERNEL_BG 11:03 < sonya> ?? /usr/include/dev/wscons/wsconsio.h 11:03 < sonya> mistake , sorry 11:03 < xjl> could there be any option that would do something like that in the wsconsctl.conf? 11:04 < sonya> # wsconsctl itself show nothing appropriate, imo 11:04 < xjl> yeah, thanks for looking into the code... seeing where it is. Looks like the safe way to do it though would be adding it as the option like he said.. 11:04 < pardis> no, wsconsctl.conf can't change C macros in the kernel, and moreover it doesn't get parsed until long after the kernel starts writing messages 11:09 < xjl> haha.. what about setting display.brightness to 0%  while it boots? 11:10 < renaud> so much effort for having a dark background at boot, while it's nice that OpenBSD is just different 11:15 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ZtevOz] 11:16 < xjl> I have spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. haha I don't use it , just for being different, but for many other reasons. 11:16 < xjl> It's not really a big leap away from being a solid user OS.. I can see why devs would like the messages... I do too, when things aren't working. 11:16 < xjl> but it works. 11:17 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 11:18 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 11:19 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.5] 11:21 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has joined #openbsd 11:21 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 11:23 < xjl> the display.brightness=0 at the beginning of the rc works... but only after all of the hardware stuff passes, then it gets set back to 100% just before the xterm is cleared at the end of the rc... hhaa, better. but ... not quite 11:24 < xjl> (good call on the wsfont!).. reminded me of wscons 11:25 -!- Filystyn [~piotr@user/filystyn] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:26 -!- rainystorm [~rainystor@user/rainystorm] has joined #openbsd 11:30 < xjl> I think my favorite find though is still the -br at the end of the Xservers file. 11:30 < xjl> :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt05 -br 11:34 * sonya figured out that still in kernel tty to display cyrillic symbols KOI8-R/U (font) is a way to go.. and, for example, terminus font from /usr/local/share/misc/pcvtfonts/ter* is useless.. the question is how to convert pcvt terminus to koi8?… hmm.. 11:34 -!- solene [~solene@176-154-164-34.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #openbsd 11:35 < sonya> xjl, yeah.. /etc/X11/xenodm/Xservers::0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt05 -nolisten tcp -dpi $your_value 11:36 < xjl> sounds like a good idea too 11:40 < pardis> what happens if you set display.brightness=0 and you get a kernel panic after loading wsconsctl.conf? 11:40 < xjl> not applicable 11:41 < pardis> I'm so glad to hear kernel bugs magically vanish in your vicinity 11:41 -!- lac [~lacanye@172.58.237.56] has joined #openbsd 11:41 < xjl> They do a good job.. yeah.. I don't really have to do any kernel debugging 11:43 < pardis> well, you certainly won't be doing any kernel debugging when you can't see the messages about why your system just stopped responding 11:43 < xjl> what user would anyway? 11:43 < xjl> I mean I appreciate those who can... they deliver a fine OS. 11:44 < xjl> But it boots up every time. 11:46 < xjl> So the same kernel messages don't really concern me. it's rather unsightly to just a user. Having an option to hide or unhide with a switch I can see a developer not caring about. 11:47 < xjl> I wouldn't want anyone who needs to see them to be left in the dark, so yeah I'm still on my own. I get it. 12:05 -!- ZtevOz [~Thunderbi@lfbn-idf3-1-360-46.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ZtevOz] 12:06 -!- zetef [~quassel@95.77.17.251] has joined #openbsd 12:07 < xjl> Thank you again for the help. 12:07 < xjl> Still have to look into the  ... cyrillic symbols KOI8-R/U 12:07 -!- xjl [~xjl@172-10-130-6.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:10 < sonya> :) 12:14 -!- om3ga [~om3ga@46.49.41.80] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14 -!- lac [~lacanye@172.58.237.56] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:17 -!- om3ga [~om3ga@46.49.41.80] has joined #openbsd 12:18 -!- tercaL [~tercaL@user/tercal] has quit [Quit: enter the Tekken!] 12:24 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@2405:9800:b660:8269:f9e1:f098:c586:689f] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Sorry its vauge, no idea what to change, I thought a semephore was a unit or soemthing. 15:15 -!- broesel [~broesel@gateway/tor-sasl/broesel] has left #openbsd [] 15:15 < IcePic> Maddie: many ports/packages that need edits show such info at install time, and/or put info in /usr/local/pkg-readmes 15:16 -!- SunWuKung [~SunWuKung@user/sunwukung] has joined #openbsd 15:17 -!- Hackerpcs [~user@user/hackerpcs] has joined #openbsd 15:17 < IcePic> "openbsd uwsgi semaphores" in a search engine could yield info also 15:17 -!- Hackerpcs [~user@user/hackerpcs] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:20 < Maddie> IcePic: Installed via pip air 15:20 < Maddie> (as i recall) 15:22 -!- fspax [~fspax@185.244.48.254] has joined #openbsd 15:22 -!- xusr [~xusr@user/xusr] has joined #openbsd 15:23 -!- Hackerpcs [~user@user/hackerpcs] has joined #openbsd 15:25 -!- mlw [~mlw@154.127.5.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:29 -!- jca [~jca@fma.wxcvbn.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:29 -!- jca 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And of course Xorg comes from a time where displays like we have today were un-thinkable. 18:23 < armin> I remember when I saw the window behind the window I'm looking at through the transparency of that window for the first time. 18:23 < thrig> I had a higher resolution screen on a much bigger monitor back in the 1990s, only recently have much smaller screens gotten too high resolutions 18:23 < armin> thrig: I replaced 3 monitors with just this one 43" here 18:24 < armin> thrig: my life changed on that day 18:25 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:27 < armin> OpenBSD was an excellent help in that regard when I didn't have large displays, everything was always well visible 18:31 < armin> I really love the low mental load that OpenBSD forces on my mind, I was almost always able to achieve what I want without headaches caused by implausible indirections. 18:32 -!- tarxvfz [~tarxvfz@gateway/tor-sasl/tarxvfz] has joined 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brocashelm> like doas and openntpd 21:21 < brocashelm> although sndiod is a bit hard to put in place of alsa, so i leave it as it is 21:28 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34 -!- utkojhamela [~utkojhame@37.111.219.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:39 < ssm_> alpine is cool, but busybox is honestly painful to use 21:39 -!- accelerat0r [~user@user/accelerat0r] has joined #openbsd 21:39 < ssm_> it's non-posix compliant in very annoying ways 21:40 < ssm_> also they're planning on moving away from openrc to s6, which is a systemd-like 21:41 < ssm_> there's just no linuxes that can really satisfy the openbsd workflow at the moment, at least of the ones I've tried 21:41 < ssm_> alpine is the closest I suppose 21:42 < brocashelm> i like runit myself 21:42 < ssm_> you'll probably like s6 then 21:43 < brocashelm> it's not available on any of my distros 21:43 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit 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