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00:54 < brocashelm> has anyone had this bug? on one openbsd 7.4-current machine, xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin segfaults and removes itself from the panel if you open it and try to type anything in the text area (can still hover around and launch a program)
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01:49 < ssm_> any wifi analyzers on openbsd?
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03:29 < nekobit> im trying to quad boot some OS', but ive had some trouble with openbsd in particular
03:30 < nekobit> specifically, the idea of the "openbsd" area is messing me up
03:31 < nekobit> usually i always did single boots and everything worked great, and when disklabel came in, everything was consistant, and it auto-alloc'd correctly
03:32 < nekobit> but now, once i create the openbsd area in fdisk within setup script, disklabel is showing lots of stuff... but for some reason, since it seemed to understand the idea of a "openbsd partition", i imagine disklabel wouldnt show anything here
03:33 < nekobit> earlier, i courageously did z and wiped all disklabel, then did auto-alloc, it would return all my old partitions, but whats weird about autoalloc is it would ALWAYS give my new partitions 1mb or 2mbs
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03:34 < nekobit> something feels off, my disklabel knowledge im going to pretend is mediocre, because those other partitions should be showing, but im still a little perplexed why i did z to wipe all, then manually created all, got through install for a "bootblocks" complaint, but my system still worked and the disklabel appeared in tact
03:36 < nekobit> if i need to rephrase my pseudo-question, let me know
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04:01 < nekobit> I think i understand it now
04:01 < nekobit> but, the 1mb thing might be a bug
04:01 < nekobit> and i highly doubt it thinks 1mb because it sees my c label which is obv the full disk, but must be some other funky bug
04:02 < nekobit> but i dont see anything in the manpage that lets you pick something special to work with the "openbsd area"
04:03 < nekobit> besides maybe... -d? or -A?
04:03 < nekobit> maybe ill peep the setup code later
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08:24 < xjl> hi
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08:26 < quinq> hi
08:27 < pony> hi
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08:31 < xjl> um. I've asked this in a way before, but different answers.
08:31 < xjl> Is there a way to redirect the boot kernel messages to a log file?
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08:49 < betabug> xjl: they are in dmesg
08:55 < xjl> betabug thanks. can they still be redirected
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10:42 < tercaL> Hi
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14:04 < seninha> Hi, I'm porting a library that opens a tty device attached to an umodem(4) attached to an USB device of a given vendor and product IDs (2047:0013). On Linux, it checks for each entry on /sys/class/tty/ttyACM? if the content of its device/modalias file begins with "usb:v${vendorId}p${productId}" and uses the corresponding /dev/ttyACM? tty if it does.
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14:04 < seninha> https://github.com/osresearch/MSPDebugStack/blob/main/DLL430_v3/src/TI/DLL430/UsbCdcIoChannel.cpp#L315
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14:05 < seninha> FreeBSD's port link /dev/cuaU? to /dev/mspfet${productId} and then checks if it exists: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/devel/msp430-debug-stack/files/patch-DLL430__v3_src_TI_DLL430_UsbCdcIoChannel.cpp
14:05 < seninha> Using this devd rule: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/devel/msp430-debug-stack/files/mspfet.conf
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14:06 < seninha> How can I do that on OpenBSD? The only file I need to write the patch for is that UsbCdcIoChannel.cpp
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14:08 < seninha> I have already read /usr/src/usr.sbin/usbdevs/usbdevs.c for ideas on how to get the device matching a given vendor/product ID but I still do not know how to traverse from the umodem device to the respective /dev/cuaU? file
14:08 < quinq> seninha, you can pass the device the user wants to use as a command parameter
14:10 < seninha> quinq: unfortunately no. That's a library and it "guess" the best tty by itself.
14:10 < quinq> Well, fix it to take a parameter, that'll be simpler :)
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14:11 < seninha> I could, but I'd need to heavily patch the library itself (libmsp430) and any program using it
14:14 < seninha> (by "parameter", are you referring to the interface exposed by the library?)
14:14 < seninha> (... or to a command-line argument?)
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14:16 < seninha> be right back, have to quick help on housework
14:20 < quinq> I mean that the program should provide the target interface
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14:33 < cizra> <- a fresh OpenBSD user here. Lenovo P50, everything seems to work fine. pkg_added Firefox and i3, Finally figured out how to abuse ports(7) to create a modified version of xfreerdp that treats Caps Lock as left control. Why does it feel like battery drains faster than in Linux? It might be an illusion, of course. sysctl says hw.cpuspeed=800, so scaling works.
14:35 < HIA> cizra smells like teen msdos user
14:36 < cizra> Where are ports' dependencies listed? I noticed that when I was building freerdp from ports, it insisted on recompiling all dependencies (which, by the way, failed) - happily I noticed I could pkg_add them instead, and everything was fine thereafter.
14:37 < cizra> I used to be a teen msdos user once. At the moment, I just wanted to give the feedback that OpenBSD was reasonably straightforward to install, and it's covering my use cases so far. Thanks for that.
14:38 < HIA> np, cizra
14:38  * HIA is using freebsd on windows 11 virtualbox via disabled hyper-v
14:42 < xse> battery does drain somewhat faster indeed, there's ofc apmd/obsdfreq and the usual disabling unused componants/backlight and so on, but yeah don't expect as much life as linux or even windows can achieve
14:42 < sibiria> cizra: openbsd has some power-saving problems it's still trying to work out
14:42 < sibiria> i suggest looking at obsdfreqd as xse mentioned
14:43 < HIA> *even*
14:43 < seninha> am bacc
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14:47 < cizra> Okay, will check
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15:00 < Lucas6023> cizra: `make FETCH_PACKAGES= prepare` will fetch the deps. The ports tree, by default, builds all the deps.
15:02 < sibiria> cizra: something else that openbsd is so-so about are modern graphics drivers, which goes for both performance and power-efficiency. that part you can unfortunately not do much about
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16:13  * sonya nods: mpv-0.37 is out, requires up-to-date libplacebo and insertion of #include <pthread_np.h> into the head of ./osdep/threads-posix.h … 
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16:45 < seninha> ping
16:46 < eea> pong
16:47 < quinq> pang
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16:51 < joe9> is this Agner Fog's document relevant to OpenBSD too? https://www.agner.org/optimize/calling_conventions.pdf
16:51 < joe9> The document mentions FreeBSD but not OpenBSD.
16:52 < joe9> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18133812/where-is-the-x86-64-system-v-abi-documented From this, I gather that both OpenBSD and Linux use the same ABI.
16:52 < joe9> Is it still correct?
16:53 < seninha> So, no progress on patching that library to get the correct /dev/cuaU[0-3] file from a given device vendor/product id
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17:02 < sonya> joe9, for everything using ELF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format) there's an assumption that System V ABI is "on", but exact details depends on.. there was an option for Linux to run some *nix binaries, there's an option for FreeBSD to run some Linux binaries, but there's no such things for OpenBSD right now..
17:03 < joe9> sonya: if the System V ABI is "on", why is there incompatibility between linux and BSD binaries?
17:09 < sonya> joe9, the details.. different functions, things that uniq and not portable and so on
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17:10 < joe9> the syscall interface is the same, correct? The difference would be in libc?
17:10 < joe9> such as the registers used for the syscall parameters, etc.
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17:12 < sonya> joe9, it's a long story.. and i'm afraid that i'm not competent for a serious talk right now (forget a lot, sorry).. in general, if assume, yes, libc is the one big difference
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17:12 < thrig> macOS also routes through libc, which also bit Go there
17:15 < sonya> joe9, need to go right now, sorry..
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17:17 < sonya> joe9, as an example you can look not only in kernel src, but in pf too… this thing is uniq
17:17 < joe9> ok, thanks.
17:17 < sonya> np, may be we'll talk later
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17:28 < steerpike> hi, i'm on a managed vps that requires getting support staff to insert/eject iso, is there a way to eject the cd/iso from command line of the installer? i tried eject /dev/cd0a but it didn't do anything
17:29 < joe9> normally, the vps interface has an option to insert/eject cd's.
17:30 < steerpike> not these guys, i don't think they paid for the solusvm license
17:30 < cizra> Lucas6023: `make FETCH_PACKAGES= prepare` - I pkg_deleted cmake, ran make distclean in x11/freerdp port, and then ran your command. Exactly nothing happened (retval 0, no output), so I'm confused what it's supposed to do. To reiterate, my goal is to install compile-time dependencies of a package (say, x11/freerdp in my example) via pkg_add, to avoid having to compile deps (say, cmake).
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17:46 < cizra> xse: sibiria: Just to provide a concrete datapoint: OpenBSD's `i3status` said my battery will last 3:20, after rebooting to Linux, `powertop` says 8 hours. Thus, OpenBSD eats somewhere around 2.5x the power, compared to Linux.
17:46 < ludovicus> what sorta laptop? if I may ask
17:47 < quinq> cizra, that's possible, but also calculation might be wrong (on either side)
17:47 < cizra> Lenovo P50. And no, I don't have much optimism about Linux' prediction of actually running 8h on it...
17:47 < sibiria> cizra: sounds kinda normal...unfortunately
17:48 < sibiria> but do see what's what after installing and tuning obsdfreqd
17:48 < cizra> ludovicus: NVidia+Intel dual graphics, if that matters. 2 SSDs, one of which ought to be mostly unused, I think. Buckets of RAM.
17:49 < cizra> sibiria: obsdfreqd just changes the CPU frequency, right? It already was on some minimumish value (800MHz), so I don't expect gains thence.
17:49 < cizra> (I had apmd running already)
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17:50 < sibiria> yes that's all it does
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18:09 < ssm_>  cizra if you're running both apmd and obsdfreqd, make sure to disable automatic frequency mode (now the default), I think you'll need to run apmd with -H or -L instead of removing -A, since -A is default now
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18:10 < ssm_> s/disable automatic frequency mode/& in apmd/
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18:11 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. I have a private little git server which i've set up on OpenBSD that I've also configured so people can view my source code in the browser (i.e., I have set up git combined with cgit). To make this work, my git server resides in a directory under /var/www/htdocs/, which is chrooted. all permissions under this directory are for "www:daemon". I'm having problems now with "git push"ing new code to 
18:11 < dfdx> the server, since i'm not user "www" and i'm not in group "daemon". What's the right approach here? Adding my user to the "daemon" group? For some reason that feels wrong.
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18:20 < thrig> I just put the git repos under htdocs and then folks can clone 'em if they want
18:20 < dfdx> thrig: okay sure, but how do you personally push new code into the repo under htdocs?
18:21 < dfdx> e.g., what user are you when you run "git push"? are you doing something like: doas -u www git push ... ?
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18:21 < dfdx> and what if you are on a laptop working remotely, how do you git push via ssh? you do everything as user "www"?
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18:25 < thrig> there is no doas. I just push to a shared repo
18:26 < dfdx> okay, i guess i jsut need to read some more. I can't visualize at all how you are doing what you're doing. 
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18:35 < metavoid> dfdx: wouldn't it just be enough that the chrooted webserver can read from the git folder?
18:35 < metavoid> but is owned by you
18:35 < metavoid> then just git remote add origin ssh://you@gitserver.fqdn:/var/www/htdocs/myrepo
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18:40 < dfdx> metavoid: in this example, what do the permissions on the myrepo directory look like? who is the owner and group?
18:42 < metavoid> proably 755 and owned by you should be sufficient
18:42 < metavoid> don't know how picky git is about its permissions
18:42 < metavoid> just try it out
18:44 < dfdx> its not just git i have to worry about, but httpd and cgit as well.
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18:47 < dfdx> but let me try anyways :)
18:48 < metavoid> httpd would probably only care about that it can read from the folder. Which the last 5 in 755 would solve. 705 would probably work too
18:50 < steerpike> if i'm booted from the cd, how do i force it to boot from the disk instead?
18:50 < metavoid> dfdx: cgit runs under httpd anyway
18:51 < steerpike> what was the git repo those suckless guys maintain
18:51 < steerpike> git web thing
18:53 < steerpike> found it https://codemadness.org/stagit.html
18:54 < dfdx> metavoid: you were correct; httpd only cares about reading. $ doas chown -R "user:daemon" /var/www/htdoocs/gitrepos    did the trick.
18:59 < metavoid> try pushing some and see if git objects against the permissions
19:00 < thrig> bsd permissions inherit from the group. linux swinds sysv here by default
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19:19 < sibiria> steerpike: have a look at boot.conf's man page
19:20 < sibiria> "boot hd0a:/bsd" or so may be sufficient
19:20 < sibiria> though i don't really know if the bootloader on the CD will even look at that
19:20 < steerpike> it kept prefixing cd0a:hd0a
19:21 < sibiria> i guess you need to reach out to admins then to have them "eject" the ISO from your guest
19:22 < steerpike> yeah, they did it, i was just curious
19:23 < steerpike> weird, if i su to root and run passwd, it changes the user's password instead?
19:23 < sibiria> steerpike: su -l
19:23 < steerpike> thanks
19:23 < sibiria> alternatively, "passwd root"
19:28 < apotheon> I forgot -l was a thing.  I've just been using - all this time.
19:28 < apotheon> It has been "deprecated" for something like twenty years, but it's muscle memory for me and it never gets removed.
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20:18 < martian67> steerpike: euid vs uid
20:18 < martian67> it will bite you
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