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02:11 < Code_Bleu> I'm still having issues getting the latest cloud-init to install on 7.4.  Anyone using cloud-init and maybe can help me?
02:14 < _cmburn> I was looking at trying to get into kernel hacking, and from my understanding the reason vmm can't work with SMP is that there's a giant kernel lock. If I were to try to help with that, where would I look/start?
02:16 < dlg> iirc vmm gives up the kernel lock now
02:16 < dlg> id have a look for vmmioctl
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02:17 < dlg> id be looking for how to create another thread in vmd to represent a second vcpu and how it could operate as a second cpu in a virtual machine via vmm
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02:47 < tobias> is there a way to reliably run openntpd on machines without build in real time clock, like the raspberry pi? i currently use a shell script as a workaround so it doesn't get stuck in 1970 when there is no internet connectivity available at boot
02:47 < tobias> like this:
02:47 < tobias> while [ $(date +%Y) -lt 2023 ]; do /etc/init.d/openntpd restart; sleep 90; done
02:53 < tobias> or is this maybe a linux specific issue and on openbsd it "just works"?
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02:57 < ssm_> shouldn't openntpd just work regardless of your hardware clock? it fetches time from a remote server and syncs you local time to it
02:59 < tobias> it does when there is internet connectivity when it starts 
03:00 < tobias> let's say there is a power outtage, and your rtc-less machine is done booting before your internet router, it tries to fetch the time once, fails, and then is forever stuck in 1970
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03:01 < tobias> thats what happens in my case. i can "fix" the problem bei running the shell script above at boot.
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03:09 < tobias> it just restarts openntpd every 90 seconds until its not 1970 anymore
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03:36 < joe9> anyone using yasm on OpenBSD? https://dpaste.com/D9AX7NAYM.txt is my code. I compile with: yasm -Worphan-labels -g dwarf2 -f elf64 -o cfi.o -l cfi.lst cfi.asm
03:36 < joe9> ld -g -static -o cfi cfi.o
03:37 < joe9> but the section .note.openbsd.ident has NOBITS type.
03:37 < joe9> I think the OpenBSD elf loader needs a NOTE section to execute.
03:37 < joe9> : yasm ; ./cfi
03:37 < joe9> ./cfi[1]: ELF: not found
03:37 < joe9> ./cfi[2]: H��H�5����H�H��H1�H������
03:38 < joe9> I get that message when I execute it.
03:38 < joe9> With nasm, there is a section directive to create a NOTE section and it works fine with the ELF loader.
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04:03 < thrig> joe9: https://thrig.me/tmp/helloworld.asm
04:13 < echelon> why does it default to application/octet-stream
04:13 < thrig> probably because I don't have a MIME mapping for *.asm
04:14 < echelon> wish it did more exhaustive look up of file type without extension mapping
04:16 < echelon> speaking of asm, i thought this was nifty https://github.com/johnfound/asmbb
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04:17 < echelon> i don't know what the eupl is
04:18 < echelon> apotheon: have you done a review of EUPL?
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04:33 < brocashelm> package request, if anyone with more experience porting than me is up for it: strawberry music player, a fork of clementine for audiophiles/collectors, using qt gui
04:33 < brocashelm> instructions are here (i tested the build and it works, plays whatever it loads): https://github.com/strawberrymusicplayer/strawberry/wiki/Compile-and-install-on-openbsd
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04:33 < brocashelm> it's one of the best graphical music players i've used, next to quodlibet (which is already ported)
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04:55 < apotheon> echelon: Isn't that the European Union license?
04:57 < apotheon> It's copyleft, so it's not copyfree.
05:00 < echelon> oh ok
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05:01 < echelon> they should call it ewwpl
05:01 < darwin> oidentd on OpenBSD has been behind several versions for years... anyone know if they're going to update it?
05:02 < thrig> well volunteered?
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05:59 < avemestr> darwin: Seems the current version is 2.0.8p2: https://openports.pl/path/net/oidentd which is also the latest version of the "very old, unmaintained software": https://ojnk.sourceforge.net/
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08:12 < darwin> avemestr, no, it's 3.1.0
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08:12 < darwin> that's not the current homesite of oidentd
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08:37 < brocashelm> is wayland now required to be installed if using xfce in 7.4-current?
08:39 < IcePic> brocashelm: if it was (or when it is), it would be listed as an automatic dependency for the xfce port
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08:42 < brocashelm> icepic: when i try to remove it, it starts going down to gstreamer1-plugins, then to webkitgtk, then to devhelp/glade/yelp, then to libxfce4ui...
08:42 < brocashelm> i suppose there's progress underway as i can't find most xfce packages there
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08:58 < joe9> thrig, yasm does not support note for section attributes.
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09:50 < cizra> Suppose Firefox grows a zero-day, exploitable from a webserver. What's OpenBSD's answer to this threat? In Linux, I run my browser in a Flatpak that prevents it reading my SSH keys. In Windows, I use combination rhythm method / prayer-based approach. How does OpenBSD mitigate this threat?
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09:53 < renaud> cizra: Firefox on OpenBSD is secured with pledge(2) and unveil(2)
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09:54 < renaud> By default, only ~/Downloads and /tmp can be written to
09:55 < op2>  /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/firefox has a high-level description
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09:57 < renaud> also, if your ssh keys are without a password, you are already doing it wrong
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10:02 < cizra> renaud: Okay, that's comforting. It means every package must have non-upstreamable patches, though, which is a downside. Have you any idea what % of pkgs/ports are covered with pledge/unveil?
10:02 < cizra> op2: thanks
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10:03 < op2> cizra: i might be wrong, but i think firefox pledge support is upstreamed.  Anyway, usually ports with pledge/unveil supprot (either 'official' or patched) have a '# uses pledge' (or unveil) comment
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10:03 < op2> so you can just grep the ports tree
10:03 < IcePic> op2: I think you are right, both major browsers seems to accept obsd patches
10:04 < op2> pledge/unveil is also showed in ps output, so it's easy to see what processes on your system are not pledged/unveiled/chrooted
10:04 < op2> (and eventually with which pledge promises too)
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10:05 < cizra> Does it mean browsers have a OpenBSD-specific #ifdef? How else, pledge() not being available on Linux.
10:05 < IcePic> cizra: yes
10:05 < IcePic> they probably have 45345 #ifdefs for all kinds of differences between all OSes and releases
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10:06 < armani> IcePic: what is the second major browser ? :)
10:06 < IcePic> chrome
10:06 < IcePic> ium
10:06 < op2> cizra: it's easy to find out :)  https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=pledge&path=&case=false&regexp=false
10:06 < IcePic> lynx have dropped in popularity, it seems. ;)
10:07 < op2> IcePic: wait, wasn't w3m?
10:07 < armani> IcePic: chromium refuses patch from *BSD (for now) https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/b57hDs8yE4g
10:07 < IcePic> armani: sure, but they have probably accepted a lot already and will accept lots afterwards too
10:12 < armani> IcePic: ok, wasn't aware of this. Last time I checked we had > 2000 patches in our port
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11:19 < Voyager_MP> can I run iked and isakmpd client vpn on the same machine ? 
11:19 < Voyager_MP> Concurrent ? 
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11:25 < jca> afaik, nope
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11:41 < Foxy_> Voyager_MP: no, the both daemons use UDP port 500 to listen incoming connections
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11:42 < Voyager_MP> I figured it out, this needs to be improved :D
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12:18 < IcePic> Voyager_MP: sure, just get a few RFCs for ipsec updated and have all other boxes reimplement this choice. 8-(
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12:20 < Voyager_MP> bind on all ip's of an interface seems to be ok, but should be configureable 
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13:26 < renaud> Voyager_MP: honestly, wireguard works way better than ipsec
13:26 < renaud> but it depends on your use cases
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13:29 < IcePic> what renaud says, unless you must vpn to a cisco asa from 2004, wg is the better alternative
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13:39 < renaud> not counting all the NAT and firewalling which is a nightmare with ipsec
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13:44 < purplepills> hi good space associates, lol
13:45 < purplepills> please do let me know about the correct method to refer to disks in when using fdisk on openbsd?
13:46 < renaud> did you check the man page?
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13:49 < purplepills> of?
13:50 < purplepills> oh
13:50 < purplepills> fdisk
13:50 < purplepills> haha
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13:50 < purplepills> well this is quite more of a generic aspect of the OS than to be specified within that document, tbh.
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13:51 < renaud> in that case: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html
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13:54 < IcePic> disk and partition naming is also a bit arch-dependent, since partitions on x86(_64) in bios mode runs in one fdisk partition, then use disklabel to sub-slice that one into the partitions used by obsd, but on less restricted platforms you don't need to do this two-level thing, so disklabel is not needed in the same way on them.
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16:04 < Code_Bleu> I need help figuring out how come when i deploy my openbsd 7.4 instance ( using virtio ), I see '/etc/hostname.vio0', but my actual interface is em0 for some reason.  How do I get these to be the same?  I tried changing the section in the PXE install conf file from 'IPv4 address for vio0 = dhcp' to 'IPv4 address for em0 = dhcp', but it didn't create the em0 file.  The fact that I have virtio
16:04 < Code_Bleu> selected, I would prefer that work..and just use that file.
16:05 < Code_Bleu> I know i can manually copy the file to be .em0, and do a /etc/netstart.  But I need this to be working in the image at boot up.
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16:05 < IcePic> this is related to the same as before, "I am making it on one type of hardware and now run it on another" even though "hardware" is different virtualization settings
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16:06 < Code_Bleu> IcePic: can I not build this locally on qemu and have the image have what it needs to run on different hardware?
16:07 < IcePic> just haev the post-install script do a rename of the hostname.vio0 into hostname.em0
16:07 < IcePic> have*
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16:08 < Code_Bleu> Yeh, I thought about that, but does that mean my destination instance is not using virtio, even though in Cloudstack/KVM I have virtio selected?  
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16:12 < IcePic> Code_Bleu: if you got an em0 interface, then the hypervisor decided to present a virtual intel ethernet card
16:12 < IcePic> instead of a virtio one
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16:22 < Code_Bleu> I have to tell it to not switch to com0 when building my image so it will work on Cloudstack the way I want it to, but, now when I run it locally it doesnt give me login prompt. Is there a way that I can have it work in both scenarios?  Why does it have to be baked into the image to "switch" or "not switch"?....or maybe it doesn't and I don't know who to configure it <- more likely
16:25 < IcePic> a machine with a serial port and a console will have two options. There is no way for a machine to know which of them you are looking at currently
16:26 < IcePic> your qemu setup used to force the serial port to be the chosen option, the kvm viewer chooses to show you the glass console instead
16:27 < IcePic> where "qemu setup" was more about the scripts you used, not so much the qemu program in itself
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16:29 < rIMpossible> Hello. Is iked capable of doing PSK and X.509 at the same time?
16:31 < rIMpossible> Thing is, I got my 2 notebooks connected with PSK to my VPS at openbsd.amsterdam. For my mobile (Android 13.1) I needed somehow to make a ca with ikectl.
16:31 < rIMpossible> Now, I cannot authenticate with my 2 notebooks to the VPS. 
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19:49 < neirac> is there a kernel option to dump core when is stuck?, I'm experiencing freezes in 7.4 but no clue what's going on except my screen freezes but mouse is responsive
19:53 < thrig> can you ssh to the system? ping it?
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21:07 < joe9> any users of yasm?
21:07 < joe9> It does not support the note section attribute and hence not functional on OpenBSD (in the default PIE mode)
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21:22 < thrig> or patch the binary and change the PROGBITS to a NOTE
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22:10 < Code_Bleu> anyone running cloud-init 23.3 ( latest) on OpenBSD 7.4?  I'm cloning the repo and running /tools/build_on_openbsd, but I keep getting error about limits.h missing.
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23:06 < joe9> thrig: yes, that is an option. Thanks.
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23:16 < thrig> ... except changing it in a test binary just now didn't fix the binary, so there's more
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