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00:51 < zwr> is it normal for a floppy that is throwing all kinds of errors on dmesg to progressively become better as I do multiple low level formats until one low level format succeeds and I can write an install floppy and read it back and get the right hash? 
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00:53 < zwr> I've seen this with multiple floppies already, trying to get a NetBSD installer going from my OpenBSD install using a bunch of 30yo floppies, most of which have gone bad
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00:54 < zwr> but 2 show signs of revival from trying a low level format over and over
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00:54 < topcat001> Might be a characteristic of the magnetic medium
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00:55 < topcat001> I still have working floppy drives and recently recovered some documents for a friend.
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00:56 < zwr> that's good, my floppies didn't have anything important thankfully, just DOS drivers, rescue disks, and other nonsense of the kind
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00:58 < zwr> from what I have seen, trying multiple low level formats on a bad floppy with OpenBSD's fdformat makes more and more sectors succeed each time, until eventually you're left with a few sectors that don't improve no matter what or you get a working floppy again
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00:59 < zwr> subsequently writing a NetBSD installer image to the floppy and then hashing the floppy drive device gives a correct result, I have no idea if they'll hold the data yet
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05:45 < polyex> it seems pf table files support 2 syntaxes, comma after ip all on same line or no comma 1 ip per line. either better than the other?
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05:55 < rueda> aren't the commas optional (i.e. try multiple on 1 line with no commas)?
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06:07 < polyex> can't put 1 ip per line with comma, that's a syntax error. only 1 ip per line. testing your question now
06:10 < polyex> ok no comma needed for ips on 1 line
06:10 < polyex> i think i like 1 ip per line tho because it's easier to edit than 1 giant super long line
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06:29 < rueda> afaict, you can have 1-per-line with comma, if line ends with backslash.
06:30 < rueda> however, if using commas, you can't have one after the last entry.
06:30 < rueda> for consistency, I find it easiest just to do without commas.
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07:06 < V-T60> Hello. What can I mount my OpenBSD crypto volume from another computer with? 
07:07 < V-T60> Does it have to be OpenBSD too?
07:13 < avemestr> V-T60: You could probably share it. So after mounting it on your OpenBSD machine, you could share it with nfsd (in base) or samba (from packages).
07:13 < avemestr> V-T60: Samba if the other machine is some Windows, nfsd if it is some sane OS.
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07:18 < IcePic> V-T60: I think it does.
07:18 < IcePic> V-T60: but I guess it could be a VM if you hand it the encrypted volume as a disk
07:26 < V-T60> thanks
07:26 < V-T60> i tend to use only sane OS
07:27 < V-T60> like Linux or *BSD
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07:27 < IcePic> I won't swear to it, but I don't think I have read about any other OS implementing the bioctl crypto stuff in order to read obsd encrypted volumes. And in the same vein, obsd has not added code to decrypt say, LUKS
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07:34 < pardis> I used to nfs-mount /home on a Linux system from an OpenBSD VM as a means of dual-booting
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07:34 < pardis> it was a bit ugly but it worked
07:35 < pardis> with an encrypted disk, I mean
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08:04 < thewanderer1984> Hello all
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08:26 < betabug> morning guys
08:26 < betabug> ups, wrong channel, sorry :-)
08:28 < zelest> it's morning here too :P
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08:29 < CosmicDJ> it's always moin ;)
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08:39 < betabug> yeah, but this is not the "social" channel for obsd :-)
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09:18 < quinq> betabug, politeness is always on-topic
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09:26 < lac> what's the social channel?
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09:26 < quinq> #openbsd-union
09:28 < lac> thanks
09:29 < lac> i'll be there after this sysupgrade 
09:29 < renaud> good idea, I will sysupgrade my -current dev
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09:30 < lac> the t60p i've been tinkering with is currently more current than my main machine ha
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10:03 < lac> #openbsd-union does not appear to be on libera 
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10:49 < betabug> lac: #openbsd-social apparently (I've never been there)
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11:22 < lac> thanks betabug, that one actually has users
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11:23 < betabug> yw :-)
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13:48 < seninha> Hi, I'm porting a program that communicates with an usb device via serial. It works on Linux, but the program fails with a communication protocol error on OpenBSD. I then traced the syscalls on Linux with strace(1) and on OpenBSD with ktrace(1) to sniff what the machines are talking to each other, and found out this:
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13:52 < seninha> The protocol begins with the program writing to the serial a command (commands begin with '\x03'). And then the device answers (answers begin with the '+' char). The program writes the same command on both systems (Linux and OpenBSD). But when reading from the serial, there's a leading '\n' before the initial '+' that begins the answer.
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13:54 < seninha> I then patched the program on OpenBSD to ignore that initial newline and recompiled it. The communication now flows right just like in Linux until the next set of message exchange, where another leading garbage character appears (which I think is another '\n', I haven't checked).
13:55 < seninha> Both traces show the same termios(4) flags for both /dev/ttyACM0 (on Linux) and /dev/cuaU0 (on OpenBSD).
13:55 < seninha> So I have no idea what could be going on.
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13:55 < seninha> (What could be going on?)
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14:36 < seninha> pls send help thnx
14:36 < Filystyn> there is a bug hehe i know how it sounds seninha you need to check source code closely ;p
14:36 < Filystyn> imho no one can guess without looking at source what is wrong tbh
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14:38 < seninha> I just need some ideas on what to check. I have the ktrace on both systems to compare what is read and how the serial device is configured.
14:39 < seninha> The code uses boost::asio for asynchronously reading the serial device. I have no deep C++ knowledge (and zero knowledge on boost), but since the read(2) syscall itself gets that leading '\n', I think something must be missconfigured on the serial device.
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14:41 < Filystyn> tsss c++ and boost. Sorry I can't.  I would look at data buff it uses for io in frist place tho
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14:48 < thrig> termios has about 3,000 options for CR/NL handling and mangling
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14:51 < seninha> oof
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14:52 < thrig> also vague recollections of discussion of XXX code related to something serial on some mailing list
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15:59 < Code_Bleu> Still trying to get cloud-init to install on OpenBSD 7.4.  Any help appreciated :).  Currently trying to install python 3.11 and pip install requirements it needs when runnin the 'build-on-openbsd' script from the cloud-init git repo.  Was making progress, but having issues with cc/gcc/stdlib.h errors 
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16:03 < thrig> do you need the cloud thing, or could something simpler be used?
16:05 < sibiria> something simpler, something... purer
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16:08 < Bradipo> Something less nebulous.
16:09 < thrig> outlook hazy
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16:25 < Code_Bleu> thrig: I just need to be able to have cloudstack set a password and resize the disk when this template is deployed.  That's the goal.
16:29 < sibiria> disk resizing is very limited in openbsd
16:30 < sibiria> you can only grow the labels, not shrink them. additionally you can only grow within the confines of the partition openbsd is using
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16:32 < IcePic> perhaps look at https://openports.pl/path/sysutils/cloud-agent instead ?
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16:32 < IcePic> it extends the drive on first boot I think
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16:42 < Code_Bleu> IcePic: that repo is 4-6 years old.  Cloud-init claims to natively support OpenBSD now.
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16:59 < suqdiq> is there a riscv dedicated openbsd channel ? 
17:00 < phy1729> I don't know of one
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17:03 < swiitch> hello everybody !
17:05 < swiitch> I'm sick of GNU/Linux and I want to try OpenBSD but I'm scared not to use the power of my GPU. I bought it, I want to use it. What kind of stuff can I do with a good GPU ? (I have a video game project, so, learning programming, maybe it's enough ?)
17:07 < IcePic> Code_Bleu: wait until you hear how old /bin/ls is. Can't wait for the rust replacement..
17:08 < thrig> one of these years I might learn a programming language from this century
17:09 < swiitch> I wanted to learn basic : (
17:09 < op2> swiitch: what do you mean?  intel graphical chipset and amdgpu is supported (and works fine)
17:10 < swiitch> don't know how Librera and IRC works so i'll try something.
17:10 < thrig> basic isn't typical on unixlikes
17:11 < swiitch> op2 I have an AMD GPU. Radeon RX7600. But if I don't play video game or do some 3D stuffs it's useless, no ?
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17:12 < swiitch> thrig I said basic because I could learn programming language with my VTECH computer when I was a kid if I wasn't that lazy.
17:13 < thrig> who knows? the gpu in this laptop mostly draws terminals
17:13 < Code_Bleu> IcePic: I'm just saying that the cloud-agent was prior to cloud-init actually "supporting" OpenBSD is all :) , so I was hoping to stick with something I'm already using on other Linux systems.  I've asked in #cloud-init, so I'm hoping I'll get some traction there.  Apparently there's not many people at all running OpenBSD in the cloud with cloud-init :) 
17:14 < swiitch> thrig I just want to stop procrastinate, stop trying to play video games and learn computing stuffs. But I don't want my GPU feel sad because I don't use it : (
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17:15 < thrig> okay?
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17:16 < swiitch> thrig my question is : what can we do on openbsd that uses GPU.
17:16 < swiitch> maybe there is something I don't know. Oh gosh, I'm drunk.
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17:16 < op2> you can run many glxgears :)
17:16 < typicat> you can learn blender
17:17 < op2> godot is also easy to pick up and nice to work with (it's a game engine)
17:17 < swiitch> typicat I thought about it. Learning blender and do some nsfw stuffs.
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17:17 < swiitch> op2 I read the article of Solene Rapenne about Godot.
17:19 < swiitch> thanks for the answer guys. I definitively try OpenBSD : )
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17:20 < swiitch> I have another question. Is there an IRC channel off-topic for OpenBSD ?
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17:21 < IcePic> #openbsd-social might exist
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17:24 < swiitch> IcePic thanks.
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17:40 < swiitch> i'm not sure so i ask, does the iso image support uefi ? or it's just supported with the .img ?
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22:22 < Filystyn> people till this day say obsd can't multithreading
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22:23 < Filystyn> looking at htop with 300 proc perfectly balanced doing their job. Must be some myth from dark ages
22:24 < brynet> OpenBSD's had a 1:1 threads implementation since rthreads because the default pthreads.
22:25 < brynet> What a lot of people do confuse though is SMT (aka Hyperthreading), which is disabled by default, and SMP, multi-core/multi-processor, which is supported.
22:26 < Bradipo> Does hyperthreading live up to the hype?
22:26 < thrig> ... and continued improvements to SMP to remove locks over time ...
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22:38 < Filystyn> not sure I can even turn on hyperthreading Bardipo, since I am on amd ;p
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22:43 < brocashelm> i have never tried smt on an amd cpu, but it works nicely on intel without issue
22:47 < thrig> I've never been able to benchmark a benefit from smt
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22:50 < xse> it's already plenty fast without. Still should give it a try to see what it's like one day, i guess builds might benefits from the -j16 thing but besides that i'm not sure
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22:53 < thrig> like maybe multi-day chip runs would benefit from it? nope, not really
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22:55 < Code_Bleu> any leet OpenBSD peeps want to help contrib to cloud-init and get service files for it? :)   
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23:04 < meena> heya folks! o/~
23:04 < Code_Bleu> hey meena!
23:06 < meena> I've got some FreeBSD rc scripts that I need to translate to OpenBSD. Any guidance on where to look for nice examples? (other than https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/etc/rc.d i suppose…)
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23:06 < dlg> that's the right place to look
23:07 < dlg> they're pretty short and sweet
23:08 < quinq> /usr/ports/infrastructure/templates/rc.template
23:09 < meena> hrm… i just realized that our rc scripts are special: They all depend on the same rc variable: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/sysvinit/netbsd/cloudinit.tmpl — except for dsidentify 
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23:10 < uwharrie> also see https://man.openbsd.org/rc.subr
23:10 < meena> aye. now I need to verify why dsidentify even runs lol
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23:11 < pardis> 'warn "whatever" && exit 0' means if someone runs 'rcctl start cloudinit >/dev/full' it ignores the disable flag file
23:11 < meena> pardis: what does that mean?
23:12 < meena> what's the disable flag?
23:12 < pardis> {{prefix}}/etc/cloud/cloud-init.disabled
23:12 < meena> ah,
23:12 < pardis> that file will only disable cloud-init if warn returns success with that script
23:12 < pardis> in general, && is not a good substitute for an if statement
23:13 < meena> I wonder who wrote that code, I hope it wasn't me
23:14 < meena> it looks more sensible on FreeBSD: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blame/main/sysvinit/freebsd/dsidentify.tmpl
23:14 < meena> without the blame: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/tree/main/sysvinit/freebsd/dsidentify.tmpl
23:15 < meena> way more sensible.
23:15 < pardis> yes, that looks sensible assuming checkyesno does what it sounds like (I don't know FreeBSD rc scripts at all)
23:17 < meena> pardis: yeah, it does what it says. It's from FreeBSD's rc.subr
23:17 < meena> my cloud-init colleague laid the foundation: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/commit/34e8c914df666c937e48f5d1c3add0bd47e4e7eb (and I approved of it…)
23:19 < meena> so to get back to the overal question (most of which have been asnwered), how do I make rc scripts depend on a different rc enable variable? (and in dsidentify's case on both)
23:20 < meena> so, all of those 5 scripts need to be enabled if cloudinit=yes is set in rc.conf. except for dsidentify which checks whether it's explicitly disabled.
23:21 < pardis> that's not how enabling rc scripts works on OpenBSD
23:21 < pardis> you don't get to add variables to rc.conf(.local), you add the non-base scripts you want to enable to pkg_scripts
23:22 < pardis> it's generally not needed to have such complex logic since you can just not add that one to pkg_scripts if you don't want it
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23:24 < pardis> actually, it's not entirely true that you don't get to add variables, rc.subr will use various variables named like ${scriptname}_flags or whatever else once you enable the script, but you'd need custom modifications to the base system to have anything like cloudinit=yes work the way you'd like it to
23:25 < meena> the issue that's this is trying to solve is that there's 5 different stages that need to run in order. So if you want to enable cloudinit, you'd generally want to just say "enable cloudinit". that should enable all five. Unless you're doing something special and want to disable dsidentify. You could just delete the script ? I dunno
23:25 < uwharrie> would login classes and login.conf be a solution?
23:26 < meena> uwharrie: definitely. Always. I don't know what the problem is, but, yes, login classes. let's go!
23:27 < pardis> I understand that (I've worked with cloud-init on Linux), but to the best of my knowledge (having maintained a few of my own custom rc scripts in the past) there is no way to have a single variable that says cloud-init is enabled or disabled with OpenBSD's rc.conf.local
23:27 < pardis> you would probably need to write a wrapper script that enables/disables all five if you want an easy mechanism for that
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23:28 < meena> pardis: aye. That's good enough to me. I want to integrate cloud-init, and that means I need to adapt to the system. (although in FreeBSD's case I sometimes chose to adapt FreeBSD ;)
23:28 < seninha> aaaaaa
23:28 < meena> (or tried to anyway, got stranded in a heap of virtio C code)
23:28 < seninha> a whole day spent hiting my head against the wall because of a newline character
23:29 < meena> seninha: lovely. Who needs compilers when you can just have blood on your wall
23:31 < meena> anyway, thanks for all y'all's help!
23:31 < seninha> look at this ASCII bastard at line 5316 of https://u.chaotic.ninja/f/2010887566 (ktrace)
23:32 < seninha> fd 6 read 1 bytes
23:32 < seninha> "
23:32 < seninha> "
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23:40 < seninha> hmm.... OpenBSD is recently getting rid of syscall(2)... and devel/boost port (which the library i'm dealing with uses for asynchronous I/O) has been changed recently to remove that call...
23:41  * seninha may have been victim of Theo's design decisions on -current
23:44 < pardis> -current is often the place where new ideas are tested out and not yet fully working, especially just after a release
23:45 < brocashelm> better to stay on current stable for sure
23:45 < brocashelm> i've had problems locating packages in -current because they weren't available at the time
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