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00:00 < Bradipo> brocashelm: Incresing kernel buffer from 20 to 90 helped you with your bootable USB stick?
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00:05 < brocashelm> bradipo: oh, i meant a regular hdd/ssd (responding to the "why is openbsd so slow" question)
00:05 < brocashelm> i accidentally installed openbsd to a usb stick once... didn't go that well
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00:10 < Intrepid> Hi All, I'm trying to umount an encrypted USB backup drive using the typical #umount /mnt/pen command but keep getting "Device busy". I've used fstat to see what processes are running to put it in this 'busy' state and it shows "less" and "mount" Using "kill and the relevant process ID" doesn't change the list of running processes when I next do
00:10 < Intrepid> the fstat command if that's relevant..
00:11 < Bradipo> I use it from a USB stick, but it's quite a bit slower than normal disks.
00:11 < Bradipo> Intrepid: If fstat still shows things running that have that mount point then you need to kill them.
00:12 < Intrepid> Bradipo I've tried that using kill {PID} which seems to work because it returns me to the # prompt, but when I do fstat -f /mnt/path I still see the same processes running..
00:13 < Bradipo> You could try "kill -HUP {PID}
00:14 < Bradipo> If that doesn't work, you could give it the hammer with: kill -KILL {PID}
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00:16 < Intrepid> Bradipo thanks - I just tried kill -HUP to no avail (processes still running), and am now considering the kill - KILL {PID} option, but any risks? (Remember I'm working with a crypto volume whose data I want to keep secure)
00:18 < Intrepid> For context: I used two Xterm windows to go into root and run various copying etc. commands on the encrypted drive. I've exited root from one of those xterm windows before then trying the umount. Would that explain why I'm in this "Device busy" situation when trying to umount from one of the Xterm windows?
00:18 < Bradipo> Well, the default signal is TERM (e.g. kill {PID} is equivalen to kill -TERM {PID}
00:18 < Intrepid> OR: Is it because I did CTRL-Z after using the man command at one point earlier before the umount attempt?
00:18 < Bradipo> If you have anything open that has open file descriptors on that mount point it will fail to unmount.
00:19 < Bradipo> Ahh, you did ctrl-z...
00:19 < Bradipo> That would STOP the process.
00:19 < Bradipo> You could do: kill -CONT {PID} and then it will likely respond to the kill signal.
00:19 < Bradipo> It might also just die if it doesn't have a tty anymore.
00:20 < Intrepid> ah ok, but another thing: it shows two processes using the /mnt/pathtoUSB (Man and Less). Will I then have to kill the Less process and what is "Less" anyway?
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00:20 < thrig> ^Z is SIGTSTP? but close enough...
00:20 < Bradipo> less is more but more.
00:20 < pardis> if only there were a command that could tell you what less is
00:20 < Bradipo> You mean like: man less
00:20 < Bradipo> And no, that's not a political statement.
00:21 < Intrepid> good humour here nonetheless :)
00:23 < Bradipo> thrig: Hmm, I'm intrigued by the difference...
00:23 < Intrepid> Ok great news Bradipo kil -CONT {PID} sorted it
00:24 < Bradipo> So if I "kill -STOP <pidofless>" I see: [1] + Suspended (signal)   less ...
00:24 < Bradipo> Oh, I see, you're saying that STOP != TSTP...
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00:25 < Bradipo> Interesting, I guess I learned something today!
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00:32 < Bradipo> Hard to tell the difference between TSTP and STOP when looking at ps output.
00:32 < Bradipo> They both just show Tp.
00:35 < Intrepid> Thanks again for the help - now back to RL
00:35 < Intrepid> adeus
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14:34 < solene> good news everyone, I improved the delivery of backported binary packages with a one liner :D (in some cases)
14:34 < solene> I meant delivery speed
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14:36 < byteskeptical> solene: noice thanks!
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15:09 < meena> why is git complaining about dubious complaining about git running git under it with: fatal: detected dubious ownership in repository at '/home/meena/src/cloud-init'
15:09 < meena> no… that sentence didn't make sense, lemme try that again
15:09 < avemestr> Sounds like a git issue?
15:09 < meena> why is git complaining about "fatal: detected dubious ownership in repository at '/home/meena/src/cloud-init'" when run under doas but not when run under sudo?
15:16 < thrig> the permissions and ownerships might be relevant debugging information to provide
15:17 < thrig> also the real and effective userids
15:20 < meena> thrig: I'm executing `doas git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD` on a git repo owned by me. when I execute `sudo git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD` i get the response: "main" ; if i run `sudo id` / `doas id` they look the exact same.
15:22 < metavoid> why do use doas?
15:23 < meena> metavoid: because it's in base.
15:23 < meena> It's one less dependency…
15:23 < metavoid> yeah, but for what reason+
15:23 < metavoid> ?
15:23 < avemestr> But why do you need root privs for git?
15:23 < metavoid> just do: git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD
15:23 < meena> ah.
15:23 < metavoid> if you own it
15:23 < metavoid> no need to elevate to root
15:23 < meena> This is part of an installation procedure.
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15:24 < metavoid> somebody needs whipping then
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15:24 < meena> well, if this was packaged (ported) then the checkout process would have happened by root, too? or maybe it would install in a different directory where it doesn't need root privileges, etc…
15:24 < avemestr> Sounds like a linuxism. "Download this script and execute it. When asked for password, just enter it."
15:25 < meena> we don't have a port yet
15:25 < avemestr> Is it a secret what the software in question is?
15:25 < thrig> take this port... please
15:25 < meena> cloud-init.
15:26 < meena> anyway, if there was a port, I would be more productive questions like: does OpenBSD have a way to read out smbios info without installing dmidecode?
15:26 < solene> hi meena
15:27 < meena> solene: o/~ heya
15:27 < solene> it may be that by default doas doesn't pass environment variables, maybe USER
15:27 < metavoid> meena: the port would probably contain a release without having todo git stuff
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15:27 < solene> you need permit keepenv user as root
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15:29 < meena> metavoid: either way, git would fail for different reasons, and you would fall-back on reading the version number some other way. This is just extra bit of fluff for generating a distinct version number for the release that, strictly speaking, isn't necessary. Just… interesting… as to why it doesn't work.
15:29 < metavoid> I'm not sure I'm following, but don't see a reason for doing git operations as root
15:30 < thrig> bonus points when there's a git security issue
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15:31 < solene> the question here is why sudo git works and not doas git :-)
15:32 < meena> I don't want to do git as root. That's not my normal work-flow. That's not something i enjoy doing on weekends either. But I'm glad that solene understood the question.
15:33 < meena> having a port would be better than doas/sudo python3 setup.py --🙈, but that's not the case yet.
15:34 < solene> meena: does adding "keepenv" to /etc/doas.conf work?
15:35 < meena> solene: nope!
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15:38 < betabug> ugh, sudo python3 setup.py ... that sounds scary
15:39 < betabug> no way to put this in a virtualenv at least?
15:39 < meena> betabug: imagine how scary it'd sound when you knew that you wrote a bunch of that code.
15:39 < betabug> you can't run it in a venv?
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15:40 < betabug> I haven't installed any python stuff in the system environment in years, probably more than 10 years
15:40 < solene> meena: meh, I'm surprised it's working with sudo as if I search for this error, people have issues with "sudo git ..." :D
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15:42 < meena> hrm… so, dmidecode needs kern.allowkmem=1 in sysctl.conf. And somehow I would've expected that would reveal more things under sysctl hw. hierarchy
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15:44 < IcePic>  meena: what is the purpose of reading out smbios data?
15:45 < meena> IcePic: to identify* what kind of (virtualized) system you're running on.
15:46 < meena> identify* best effort guess.
15:47 < meena> I'm working on cloud-init. Its job is to figure out where it's running (unless you explicitly configure it with the designated datasource_list), and that's done with dmidecode (checking vendor and UID), and checking for specific disks/CD-ROMs with specific filesystems and labels.
15:48 < IcePic> I guess dmesg can give a few hints,
15:48 < IcePic> pvbus0 at mainbus0: KVM
15:49 < meena> i mean, cloud-init does run early, so at this point dmesg wouldn't have overrun with garbage, but I'd rather not rely on effectively reading log files
15:50 < IcePic> there should be a dmesg.boot in /var/run
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15:52 < IcePic> pcidump seems to list a ton of Qumranet virtio-devices, usbdevs lists (on one VM I test on) QEMU USB Tablet
15:52 < IcePic> I think there are a bunch of hints if you need
15:52 < meena> IcePic: did you need to enable kern.allowkmem for any of these?
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16:02 < jrmu> openbsd's ipsec doesn't support multicasting right?
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16:03 < meena> it looks like i can correlate some if not most sysctl hw fields with what FreeBSD puts under kenv smbios
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16:38 < IcePic> meena: no, no change of allowkmem
16:39 < IcePic> jrmu: no, I think you need to wrap a gif(4) tunnel or something else inside the ipsec for that
16:39 < jrmu> yeah thanks IcePic , I was searching the man pages and couldn't find any mention of it either. Apparently IPSec did have some multicasting proposals, maybe even an RFC, but it was really niche
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20:24 < Maddie> Does anyone have experience in running custom daemons with chroot? rc.d(8) seems to suggest that pgrep is being used to search for the $daemon and $daemon_flags to see if its running however chroot seems to be exec'ing (or something similar behind the hood idk) the given command and I belive thats whats causeing rc to fail at findind my daemon with rc check.  Could be that I'm missing something
20:24 < Maddie> though so heres my rc.d/znc https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/a.znc
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20:26 < uwharrie> Maddie: have you inspected its argv after it's started and tried a custom pexp if the default isn't accurate?
20:27 < Maddie> uwharrie: Thats too technical for me lol but heres ps output "_znc     42198  0.0  0.4  7640  7704 ??  Sc      3:15PM    0:00.12 /usr/local/bin/znc -d /usr/local"
20:28 < phy1729> I wonder if it'd be considered generally useful enough a daemon_chroot flag would be accepted. There's already daemon_execdir and daemon_user and I think it'd fix the pexp issue
20:28 < uwharrie> yeah, that'd require a custom pexp
20:29 < Maddie> :O didn't know about daemon_chroot, couldn't find the proper documentation for rc.d scripts again but I know it exists so I kinda just winged it.
20:29 < phy1729> It doesn't exist; I was musing about if a patch for it would be accepted
20:29 < uwharrie> Maddie: https://man.openbsd.org/rc.subr
20:29 < Maddie> That doesn't say chroot
20:30 < pardis> I would probably just override rc_start or maybe rc_exec instead of setting daemon to something other than the daemon you want to run
20:30 < Maddie> phy1729: That would be great though.
20:30 < pardis> that way you could also have daemon_user honoured properly
20:30 < Maddie> pardis: Ah, great idea, I'll try that.
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20:42 < Maddie> Am I missing something? Just overwrite rc_exec inside of a rc_start function right?
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20:44 < Maddie> :O it works!
20:44 < Maddie> Thank you everyone, I apreciate it :)
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20:50 < phy1729> Hrm the easy way to do daemon_chroot would need su and /bin/sh in the chroot
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20:56 < thrig> embiggens the attack surface
20:57 < sibiria> maybe tuck it in a docker container to, uh, well, contain the attack surface
20:59 < thrig> this rug is lumpy... have you been sweeping things under it?
21:01 < pony> does docker run on openbsd now?
21:02 < pony> https://openports.pl/path/sysutils/docker-cli oh, ok
21:03 < ssm_> pony: no
21:05 < ssm_> docker is very linux-dependent, it only works on freebsd thanks to the linuxulator, which I think explains everything you need to know. Consider reading up on vmm(4) and chroot(8)
21:05 < pony> what's the thing I just posted then? :S
21:06 < thrig> another method might go something like https://sha256.net/privsep.html
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21:12 < ssm_> pony: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=160080737110919&w=2 "This is created in the same spirit as sysutils/kubectl, allowing OpenBSD
21:12 < ssm_> users to interact with Docker servers from their OpenBSD systems."
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21:13 < pony> I see
21:13 < phy1729> And chroot(8) calls chdir("/"), so either you need a shell in the chroot or you can't support an execdir inside the chroot
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21:16 < ssm_> openbsd's base system is fairly small, so making a full chroot isn't a big deal. No better or worse than running a full vm
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21:17 < ssm_> not going to be as small as alpine in docker, but then you're dealing with all the caveats of using docker
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21:18 < ssm_> you can also make a chroot template that only installs what you need if you're actually planning to make a lot of them
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21:22 < pardis> OpenBSD base is hardly small
21:22 < pardis> you almost certainly don't want to stuff an entire base system into every chroot
21:23 < pardis> or even an entire base.tgz into every chroot
21:23 < ssm_> <you can also make a chroot template that only installs what you need if you're actually planning to make a lot of them>
21:23 < ssm_> like what /var/www does
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21:24 < ssm_> then on update you can copy new stuff into the chroot assuming you have a template
21:24 < phy1729> /var/www doesn't have a /bin/sh or su because the daemon makes the chroot call itself. It'd be too fiddly to add a daemon_chroot I think, so nevermind.
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21:28 < pardis> on the other hand, unveil avoids duplication and requires no special handling of updates
21:28 < ssm_> so many cool ways to do things. oh no, we've become linux!
21:35 < brocashelm> :(
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21:48 < ssm_> was joke
21:49 < ssm_> pardis: unveil and pledge are syscalls though, only works at an application level, can't really apply it to your full environment like a jail/chroot, or easily configure it like a jail/chroot
21:50 < ssm_> with exceptions, like firefox and chromium ports
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