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07:48 < IcePic> ssm_: well, of course pledge and unveil work on "an application level", noone would make a system that contains "manpages" or config files, they are always used by applications no matter what
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09:57 < jfsimon1981_b> Good morning gents
09:57 < sibiria> m'lday
09:57 < sibiria> lady*
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10:28 < jfsimon1981_b> ;)
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21:13 < lester29> is non-full installation of openbsd supported? i mean if it isn't like in slackware that only full installation is supported
21:16 < phy1729> If you have issues with ports without all the sets, you should reproduce the issue with all the sets before reporting it.
21:17 < ssm_> lester29: yes, you can chose not to install sets, but even just the base set alone is quite large
21:17 < ssm_> and also, missing sets will break some packages
21:18 < ssm_> most often packages with Xorg dependencies if you don't have X installed
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21:34 < vortexx> lester29: sysupgrade will install all the sets next time you use it. What is your use case for not installing all sets?
21:34 < lester29> minimal server installation
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21:35 < lester29> i don't want to have xorg and compilers on the server
21:35 < phy1729> Generally not worth the hassle to avoid it
21:36 < lester29> is there any way to instruct sysupgrade not to install all sets but chosen?
21:36 < vortexx> you're going to run into issues, and the answer will be "install all the sets"
21:36 < vortexx> no
21:37 < vortexx> Theo is already borderline committed to making it one big set, because he hates this question
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21:38 < phy1729> I'm half suprised sets still exist
21:38 < lester29> isn't having minimal installation with fewer sets more secure in terms of surface attack area than one big installation with everything like xorg stuff, compilers?
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21:39 < vortexx> not really, if the intruder is already in the system, grabbing a compiler is the least of the issues
21:39 < thrig> someone would need to maintain and test the various partial systems
21:39 < lester29> vortexx, what about xorg?
21:39 < phy1729> And if they aren't, if the things aren't running they aren't an issue
21:40 < vortexx> xorg doesn't run by default, and pf blocks ports 6000:6010 by default 
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21:40 < vortexx> xorg is not an issue, and there a libs from xorg you need for packages
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21:40 < vortexx> s/there a/there are
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21:41 < lester29> so do you suggests that more important is what services are listing on the system than how many packages i have?
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21:41 < vortexx> absolutely.
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22:04 < lester29> does amount of packages have security impact overall or it doesn't matter much in general?
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22:13 < jrmu> the ones that offer publicly accessible services  are probably the most dangerous
22:14 < phy1729> Things that aren't running mostly don't matter. There are exceptions like suid/sgid binaries and bugs like that openssh one that was dlopen-side-effect-oriented-programming
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