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01:25 < ssm_> I drank alcohol and now I feel very happy about how openbsd has positively affected my life
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02:29 < seninha> ssm_, when i drink alcohol I feel very sad about how computers have negatively affected my life
02:30 < seninha> but openbsd has certainly made it less bad tho
02:30 < tux0r> 2023: 30 years of <img> tag
02:30 < tux0r> 30 years of "that happens when you let idiots join your party"
02:31 < ssm_> seninha: I was raised with computers (I'm only 27) so I don't really have a frame of reference for what my life would be like without them
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03:20 < mybalzitch> ssm_: we went into space with a fucking slide ruler
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07:47 < Voyager_MP> > Error Reading Anchor / (DIOCGETRULES): Device busy 
07:47 < Voyager_MP> can anyone tell me how to debug this ? It's caused by pftop -v label, but only after 10 min of running. 
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13:55 < seninha> Hi, I have a 7.3 -current system, can I sysupgrade -r it to 7.4 -stable?
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14:01 < avemestr> Depends on when you did sysupgrade the last time, I think.
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14:02 < avemestr> You can always try "sysupgrade -r" and it will upgrade to next release.
14:03 < seninha> avemestr, i am reading some messages on mailing list. It seems I needed to be using 7.4-beta (am at 7.3-current)
14:04 < sibiria> isn't the procedure for Restoring To Sanity to boot the install kernel and "upgrade" to -release from there?
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14:27 < oldlaptop> that's more or less what sysupgrade will do anyway
14:27 < oldlaptop> (and I would have expected, offhand, that 7.3 -current should at least *try* to upgrade itself to 7.4)
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14:33 < sonya> oh.. a question here: does sysupgrade touches MBR/GPT (like installboot or smth similar)? i'm still doing upgrades manually downloading required and rebooting to bsd.rd just to prevent an "old"/stable partition table..
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14:42 < xse> sonya: the "manual" way will have you do that so i assume the automated stuff does it for you
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14:44 < sonya> xse, well, the "manual" way keeps me up from 5.2 and i just can't check new "sysupgrade", because afraid to do so..
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14:44 < sonya> xse, thanks anyway
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14:45  * sonya compiled microdc2 and failed with encoding conversions.. not good..
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15:27 < kn> sonya: no, sysupgrade itself just prefetches sets, updates firmware and creates /bsd.upgrade + /auto_upgrade.conf -- the actual upgrade however, whether unattended or interactive, always runs installboot on the root disk
15:27 < sonya> kn, thanks!
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15:40  * sonya is using multiboot and restoration of required mbr/gpt with "network boot only/pxe" option is a bit annoying.. upgrade of root's partition bootloader is fine, but when the mbr/gpt of a harddisk is "upgrading" (with multiboot) - results are almost always unpleasant..
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21:29 < jb1277976> Didn't see the activity here until now. does zoom work on openbsd ?
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21:32 < dayid> jb1277976: it's possible with browsers but not as a native client AFAIK.
21:32 < jb1277976> dayid dosen't work in firefox so i'm goin to try chromium
21:32 < dayid> chromium + WASM was the way years ago. I believe that to still be true.
21:32 < jb1277976> connected to my phone hotspot so downloading sucks but oh well
21:32 < dayid> ref: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs&m=159603220602666&w=2
21:33 < jb1277976> nice
21:33 < jb1277976> i did site:openbsd.org zoom and nothing came up
21:33 < dayid> Yeah, mailing lists and such information aren't hosted on the main .org
21:34 < dayid> There's also a years-old reddit thread which may prove useful which mentions the above chromium+wasm but also some user mentioned having to spoof user-agent: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/ish1yg/video_conferencing_with_openbsd/
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21:36 < jb1277976> Thanks dayid didn't know about mar.cinfo, also how do you register for the mailling list i didn't find a way to
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21:38 < sibiria> it's on openbsd.org. you only need to register to receive mails, not to send to the list
21:38 < dayid> https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html "To subscribe to a given list, send mail to majordomo@openbsd.org with a message body of "subscribe mailing-list-name" (where mailing-list-name is the name of your preferred list). "
21:39 < jb1277976> Thanks all bbl
21:39 < uwharrie> you can also read the lists with a NNTP client at news.gmane.io
21:41 < Bradipo> jb1277976: I've used Zoom on OpenBSD.  It works, but you have to tweak a few things.
21:41 < Bradipo> I think I used it both with Firefox and Chromium, but I don't recall now.
21:42 < Bradipo> That was about 8  months ago, so it's possible things have changed since then.
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