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00:03 < uwharrie> pretty sure it's DNS based, so if it resolves to bad mirror, you're stuck with it
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00:05 < Bradipo> Yes, it is DNS based, but what I mean is that there are not multiple A records.
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00:37 < jb1277976> So i got cups to find my printer right. but in the list of drivers i can't find mine. do i pick one that looks close even if it's not the driver for my model ?
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00:40 < jb1277976> aw i found the driver in the ports tree
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01:40 < armin> I remember 30 years ago saying to my dad "I hope we won't need printers anymore in 10 years." while fixing some HP DeskJet 500.
01:40 < armin> Well, here we are.
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01:49 < tommyrot> is it that long ago? i had a 520
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01:56 < jb1277976> Hmm I still can't add my printer with the driver
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03:37 < jb1277976> anyone up for helping me setup this printer ? avahi and cups see it i also installed the drivers but when i got to add teh printer in cups and chose epson i see drivers but not for mine. i have a et-4670
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03:42 < vortexx> "in cups" you mean connecting to http://localhost:631 and adding it?
03:43 < vortexx> does your printer speak postscript? Tons do now
03:43 < jb1277976> vortexx yea im using localhost:631
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03:44 < jb1277976> i got to find printers and boom i see my printer. i go to add printer and it shows me drivers but i don't see mine so i haven't added it yet
03:44 < vortexx> try with a similar epson one or a generic postscript and see what happens
03:45 < jb1277976> will it say postscript ?
03:45 < vortexx> or add the ppd from the package you added for the printer?
03:45 < jb1277976> There is lpd and dnssd
03:45 < jb1277976> I have my printer showing up 2x 
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04:06 < nanunanu> greetings 
04:07 < nanunanu> hey oldlaptop 
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04:09 < nanunanu> I asked this in #music-playlist and ask here because it is about OBSD song lyrics anyway. Is rhere any obsd code tag editor to store lyrics?
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04:09 < nanunanu> store the lyrics in the song tag
04:10 < nanunanu> like when you pull the CD insert to read lyrics 
04:10 < nanunanu> all of these things even the small things can be recreated in exact fidelity 
04:11 < oldlaptop> If https://openports.pl/path/audio/picard doesn't do that, I'm unsure what else would
04:11 < nanunanu> is that OBSD
04:11 < nanunanu> yeah picard 
04:12 < oldlaptop> Picard has nothing to do with OpenBSD, except that someone did some work to make it easy for you to run on OpenBSD.
04:13 < nanunanu> oh picard is desktop only 
04:13 < nanunanu> all I got is an android 
04:13 < nanunanu> can you flash it for me 
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04:14 < nanunanu> how do you do wifi debug without a laptop
04:14 < nanunanu> do you need usb yo turn it on 
04:14 < oldlaptop> That doesn't sound like an OpenBSD question.
04:14 < nanunanu> the key thingymajig
04:15 < nanunanu> can you put openbsd userspace in termux 
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04:16 < nanunanu> oldlaptop: do not strive with me 
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04:21 < oldlaptop> A few pieces of "OpenBSD userspace" will run on linux (including in a chroot on android, or whatever else), but they'll already be packaged for most Linux distributions. (And the place to ask about that would be the support channel for the Linux distribution in question. This channel is about OpenBSD.
04:24 < brocashelm> speaking of linux, i'm looking for the best ways to tame my cpu temps at reasonable levels (e.g. linux's "ondemand" cpu governor): would apmd be better in that regard (with the -A flag), or should i stick with obsdfreqd?
04:25 < brocashelm> i currently have apmd running and my i7-6600u runs at about 38-42 C on idle, with xfce running
04:25 < brocashelm> the cpu runs at 8-10 C cooler on linux on idle
04:26 < brocashelm> especially to prepare for when summer next year so i keep my cpu in good shape
04:26 < oldlaptop> I wouldn't expect OpenBSD to do power management as well as Linux no matter what you do.
04:27 < oldlaptop> 40C is also not particularly warm for a modern CPU, and certainly isn't going to damage it.
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04:28 < brocashelm> probably helps that it's 48 F outside, but hoping it doesn't go well into 65 C (idle) when it's a typical 100+ F summer day
04:28 < oldlaptop> "Moderately concerining" starts around 75-80C or so.
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04:28 < oldlaptop> 65C is not concerning at all.
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04:36 < jb1277976> does openbsd have a package or tool that shows what provides a file ? example i need libcuilo.so cause libreoffice failed to download ?
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04:43 < dayid> jb1277976: you were installing libreoffice via package and it didn't include necessary .so?
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04:44 < dayid> jb1277976: that said, `pkglocate` (extra install) can do this, but also pkg_info (see -E)
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04:57 < jb1277976> Thanks will look into it
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05:01 < jb1277976> dayid in very new to openbsd when I type pkg_l and tab I only get pkg_mlocatedb not in front of laptop also didn't find pkglocate  when you say extra install what does that mean ?
05:01 < jb1277976> New like 2 days 
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05:47 < nanunanu> brocashelm: use whstever works you would only need to ask in mission critical production environment
05:48 < nanunanu> depends on your linux build 
05:48 < nanunanu> christmas lights are up on google
05:49 < nanunanu> brocashelm: where just one mistake is all it would take 
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05:50 < nanunanu> like a nuclear bomb detonation 
05:50 < nanunanu> which wire do you cut
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05:54 < nanunanu> in which case if it aint broke brocashelm don't fix it
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06:18 < jb1277976> i want to install openbsd on this chromebook which works well with freebsd. can i do a fsck on the disk so openbsd can install ?
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06:45 < caze> disklabel?
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07:14 < avemestr> jb1277976: Regarding printing.. if you have a network printer that understands postscript, you do not need CUPS. Just follow this guide: https://paedubucher.ch/articles/2020-09-20-basic-printing-on-openbsd.html
07:15 < avemestr> jb1277976: Also, if you have some multi-function device, you may be able to configure it, so that scanning simple saves documents to a shared folder on one of your computers, so you don't have to bother with scanner drivers.
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07:44 < jb1277976> Thanks all
07:45 < jb1277976> caze openbsd isn't recognizing my Chromebooks hard drive at all even though debian is on it
07:46 < IcePic> perhaps you could run it from the usb stick
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08:30 < jb1277976> Nothing I can do to try to fix it?
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08:55 < caze> jb1277976: It really sounds like you have a lot of misconceptions. fsck check existing filesytems for integrity and repairs them. What does this have to do with a new install?
08:55 < caze> jb1277976: How are you booting OpenBSD?
08:58 < jb1277976> caze USB stick I used install74.img 
08:59 < caze> jb1277976: What does dmesg say?
09:01 < jb1277976> How will I get dmesg when I have to install the firmware after the install I have no Ethernet don't know if I can mount another USB either
09:01 < jb1277976> I can try 
09:02 < caze> type dmesg at the console
09:02 < jb1277976> Let me start this laptop 
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09:07 < jb1277976> caze it only shows sd0
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09:08 < jb1277976> Aacpi0 not configured for a lot of stuff 
09:09 < jb1277976> Oops acpi0 not configured*
09:10 < jb1277976> I did sysctl he.disknames I have rd0 and sd0
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09:12 < IcePic> the ramdisk kernel intentionally doesn't support a lot of things, it doesn't care much for temperature readings or audio or stuff like that in order to complete an installation
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09:13 < jb1277976> Dam
09:14 < sibiria> Herre
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09:14 < zelest> :D
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09:16 < caze> What else does dmesg say?
09:17 < jb1277976> What should I be looking for ?
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09:19 < caze> Other devices.
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09:24 < jb1277976> caze do you think re-burning indtall74.img will help ?
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09:24 < caze> About as much as fsck would help.
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09:25 < jb1277976> Lol grasping at straws here 
09:25 < caze> What model Chromebook is it?
09:25 < jb1277976> Hp x360 14c
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09:26 < jb1277976> It's a good Chromebook all Linux distro I've tried work and so does freebsd easily 
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09:28 < caze> What controller does it have?
09:29 < jb1277976> Don't know. How do I find out ?
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09:30 < caze> Maybe Linux will tell you.
09:31 < jb1277976> Comet lake I think 
09:31 < caze> I meant drive controller.
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09:34 < jb1277976> One sec I have a lspci somewhere or something from freebsd 
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09:41 < jb1277976> caze https://dpaste.org/CRgNs
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11:24 < Zyxer> In my experience openBSD has better hardware support than FreeBSD with a few exceptions. 
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13:32 < quinq> Prove it
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14:52 < avemestr> phy1729: Do you have clickable URLs configured in xterm?
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14:53 < phy1729> I'm writing this utility that takes a URL and displays the essential part in less/mupdf/mpv, so I triple click to select and then hit a keybinding to run that thing.
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14:54 < avemestr> Fair enough!
14:54 < thrig> I have a utility that pulls url out of IRC logs or logs left by w3m or amfora
14:55 < phy1729> XTerm.vt100.on3Clicks: regex https?://[^ /]+(/[^ ]*[^ ,;\.:">)])?    has worked well enough for me
14:55 < thrig> (my w3m and amfora do not actually have permisison to do much besides write URL to a particular file)
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15:29 < Zyxer> It has been brought to my attention that my experience of OpenBSD having better support has been extremely circumstancial with 100% luck base
15:30 < armin> Zyxer: I had great luck with hardware support on BSD oder the last 10 years or so appearently, at least that's what my friends keep saying.
15:31 < thrig> generally one pays attention to what works and gets that hardware
15:31 < Zyxer> I didn't 
15:31 < Zyxer> It just always just worked
15:31 < Zyxer> Only one wifi chip. 
15:32 < Zyxer> 20+ year old hardware as well
15:34 < avemestr> XTerm.vt100.scrollBar: true
15:36 < IcePic> when I did arduino/msp430 programming, I found openbsd to have the best support for weird cheap chinese usb2serial knockoffs
15:36 < IcePic> among the bsds
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15:37 < armani> OpenBSD hardware support is surprising good these days
15:38 < meena> How can I list all the filesystems / labels across all disks on OpenBSD? On Linux there's `blkid -o export`, and on FreeBSD we use `geom label status -as`
15:38 < armani> if you avoid nvidia, but it is also a problem on Linux as well.
15:40 < thrig> wifi can also be sketchy (though debian 12 was recently doing rfkills after installing itself over said wifi...)
15:41 < meena> disklabel -h on the disks listed in hw.disknames
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15:42 < armani> yeah found that MediaTek MT7921 on some thinkpad, not supported yet
15:42 < meena> Code_Bleu: can you show me a paste of disklabel -h for each disk listed in hw.disknames?
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15:46 < sibiria> meena: df -h
15:47 < sibiria> will show you all the mounted labels
15:47 < sibiria> df alone will suffice, really
15:47 < meena> sibiria: yeah, but I primarily need the ones that aren't mounted
15:48 < sibiria> i don't think there are any options to show only the ones *not* mounted. i'd just do "disklabel -hn sdN"
15:49 < meena> sibiria: 15:41 <meena> disklabel -h on the disks listed in hw.disknames
15:50 < Code_Bleu> meena: https://dpaste.com/HPQG8E8AV
15:50 < meena> thanks
15:50 < meena> Code_Bleu: oh, right. CloudStack uses a network Data Source.
15:50 < Code_Bleu> meena: i only did the sd0 and not the cd0 and fd0 that is in output of hw.disknames
15:51 < meena> Code_Bleu: does cd0 return anything other than "Device not configured" ?
15:52 < meena> time to setup NoCloud a disk…
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15:53 < Code_Bleu> disklabel -h cd0 : disklabel: DIOCGDINFO: Input/output error
15:54 < Code_Bleu> disklabel -h fd0 : disklabel: /dev/rfd0c: Device not configured
15:54 < Code_Bleu> meena: ^
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15:55 < Code_Bleu> sysctl hw.disknames : hw.disknames=cd0:,sd0:d53c60235698f029,fd0:
15:55 < meena> Code_Bleu: what's the status error on that first error?
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16:00 < Bradipo> I would not expect cd0 and fd0 to be useful unless you have actually inserted some media.
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16:03 < Code_Bleu> meena: what do you mean: what's the status error on that first error?
16:03 < meena> Code_Bleu: when i run it on fd0, $? is 4. What is it when you run it on cd0?
16:04 < Code_Bleu> meena: both give 4
16:04 < meena> aye.
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16:14 < sibiria> meena: you can simply collect them with e.g. sed or perl and feed it to disklabel
16:15 < sibiria> sysctl hw.disknames | perl -ne 'blah' | xargs -n1 disklabel -nh
16:15 < meena> I don't know how i did this, but I created an ISO that when mounted as disk shows *two* partitions.
16:15 < sibiria> or so
16:15 < meena> sibiria: perl is base?
16:15 < sibiria> yes
16:15 < sibiria> you can probably do the same with sed but i'm uncertain of how
16:15 < sibiria> with perl you'd do it like... hold on, gimme a sec
16:16 < meena> i mean, this is supposed to be fast… i can probably do it with cut / tr
16:16 < sibiria> sysctl hw.disknames | perl -ne 'print "$_\n" for /([a-z]{2}\d):/g'
16:16 < sibiria> that seems to do the trick
16:16 < sibiria> invoking perl is fast. it's very fast to start up and get going
16:17 < thrig> forking a billion shell programs can be too slow to benchmark
16:17 < sibiria> thankfully my example only executes 4 of them
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16:18 < sibiria> i think i'd rather trust a regexp over string lengths for this case - even if nothing has really changed in hw.disknames' output in many years
16:19 < sibiria> (i might also happen to be a Perl Fundamentalist)
16:19 < Bradipo> Or perhaps a Perl Funambulist?
16:20 < sibiria> yeah! whatever that word means! sign me up!
16:21 < thrig> perl -ne'system qw[disklabel -nh],$_ for /([a-z]{2}\d):/ag'
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16:41 < sibiria> thrig++
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16:43 < thrig> granted you probably don't need /a because I suspect OpenBSD devs won't be putting unicode digits in the device numbers
16:43 < sibiria> we can never be sure
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16:44 < Zyxer> ¤
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16:52 < armin> a perl funambulist? :)
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16:53 < thrig> this is where one-liner comes from
16:56 < armani>  /dev/🔊0️⃣
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16:57 < armin> armani: I guess it's a matter of time until that will pop up.
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17:04 < Zyxer> <armani>  /dev/🔊0️⃣: HAHAHAHA Time to 'ln -sf '
17:08 < sibiria> after 0-9 and a-z, clearly the next device number is snowman or ice cream cone
17:09 < thrig> is there an emoji for aa
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17:11 < armin> sibiria: There's also "lsblk" on Linux which I really like because it displays some tree structure output.
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17:11 < armin> sibiria: I have not found something similar so far on OpenBSD, either.
17:16 < sibiria> yeah lsblk is neat
17:17 < sibiria> thrig: let's settle for device sdæ
17:19 < eea> +1 to port `lsblk` to openbsd
17:19 < eea> who will commit to that?
17:19 < IcePic> wasn't there someone posting a suggested lsblk variant?
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17:20 < IcePic> sysutils/lsblk
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17:32 < armin> oh cool!
17:32 < armin> IcePic: thank you.
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17:49 < Filystyn> ERR005: Unable to open psglyphs data file!
17:49 < Filystyn> any hints getting time new romans fonts
17:49 < Filystyn> ?
17:49 < Filystyn> Need to open it had a chm file which i changed to html
17:50 < Filystyn> now trying to make a one pdf
17:50 < Filystyn> but I seem to lack fonts!
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17:55 < Filystyn> ERR005: Unable to open character set file iso-8859-1!
17:55 < Filystyn> when the fonts man says i have it by default
17:56 < Filystyn> some hints maeby ?
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17:56 < vi-user> hey all
17:56 < vi-user> has anyone here had any problems with ospf6d?
17:56 < vi-user> I don't see any type 3 lsa's originating from routers in one area
17:57 < vi-user> the only LSA's I'm seeing that contain some prefix are type 5 LSAs
17:57 < vi-user> is this normal behaviour?
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18:25 < Filystyn> i compiled htmldoc and used their shitty gui thing
18:25 < Filystyn> but it worked
18:25 < Filystyn> seems the one in obsd rep is broken
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19:48 < meena> disklabel doesn't show the label of a vfat disk i just plugged into the machine.
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20:31 < meena> and by plugged into, I mean, added to the VM then rebooted the VM…
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20:39 < Bradipo> I'm trying to enable IPv6 on em0...
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20:40 < Bradipo> Seems like I should just be able to do: ifconfig em0 inet6 eui64 (per man page).
20:40 < Bradipo> I guess that just gets me a link-local address (e.g. fe80::...
20:41 < phy1729> Are there router advertisements on the line or is DHCPv6 needed?
20:41 < phy1729> meena: anything in dmesg?
20:41 < Bradipo> Let me check with tcpdump for router advertisements (unless there's a different command).
20:42 < Bradipo> maybe ndp(8)?
20:42 < meena> phy1729: no label, no.
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20:56 < mischief> Bradipo: on my router i have dhcpcd on my wan and rad on my lan for ipv6
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20:57 < phy1729> yeah dhcpcd is needed for DHCPv6 and that's somewhat common due to DHCPv6-PD
20:59 < Bradipo> Yeah, no DHCPv6 here.
20:59 < Bradipo> I think I just need to let discovery through PF.
21:00 < Bradipo> I'm seeing icmp6 neighbor solicitations but my host isn't responding.
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21:03 < mischief> pass in log on egress inet6 proto icmp6 all icmp6-type { routeradv neighbrsol neighbradv }
21:03 < mischief> pass in log on egress inet6 proto udp from fe80::/10 port dhcpv6-server to fe80::/10 port dhcpv6-client no state
21:03 < mischief> thats whats in my rules
21:03 < Bradipo> Yeah, I don't think I need dhcpv6 stuff.
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21:46 < SOLARIS_s> anyone running -current got an error message dnscrypt-proxy[86988]: Unable to set the close on exec flag: [function not implemented
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22:04 < phy1729> Looks like a go port, so have you done a pkg_add -u ?
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22:39 < SOLARIS_s> yup
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22:45 < jb1277976> So I have a dilemma I like freebsd and openbsd I'm always learning my question is does anyone run openbsd as a daily driver that don't have a SSD nvme and just the main PC isn't the best? I just want a kind of a survey I need to justify to myself that a BSD id right for me. Linux is cool also but I'm not learning anything 
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22:46 < uwharrie> you're the only one that can decide that
22:46 < Bradipo> jb1277976: I use OpenBSD on a workstation daily with not SSD.
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22:47 < caze> What a weird question. What did OpenBSD do before say ten years ago, when SSDs didn't exist?
22:49 < sibiria> i ran openbsd on regular hdd since 2000 or 2001 up until just earlier this year
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22:54 < thrig> ssd did exist more than a decade ago
22:55 < Bradipo> SSD of 30 years ago were massive.
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22:57 < Bradipo> And if I'm not mistaken, required a separate power supply to operate.
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23:00 < thrig> I debated getting a ssd with the 2009 macbook, instead had a spinny metal disk until 2022
23:02 < Bradipo> I still have spindly drives.
23:02 < pingpwn> found some spinny drives in the trash
23:02 < pingpwn> they work perfectly
23:04 < jb1277976> If you mean a spinny drive where it takes a couple seconds like 10 to open a browser in i3 then I have that
23:05 < pingpwn> !cloak-me
23:05 < pingpwn> such an irc noob
23:05 < pingpwn> smh
23:05 < jb1277976> Tomorrow is my birthday and my family is complaining about getting me a new battery and SSD I'm like whatever I will just stick with I have
23:06 < jb1277976> pingpwn we where all there at one point or another 
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23:10 < pingpwn> cloak works! let's go jb1277976
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23:12 < jb1277976> Hehe
23:17 < jb1277976> Bradipo workstation you mean like a desktop old school PC ? Must be fun to be on openbsd everyday as a profession or something of that nature 
23:17 < Bradipo> Meaning not a laptop.  Though I also run it on laptops.
23:18 < pingpwn> is openbsd focused on being ran in servers? obviously it can be ran on anything but is it server-oriented?
23:20 < aaronm04> pingpwn: kinda, yeah
23:20 < uwharrie> that's a vague question that only get hand wavy response
23:20 < aaronm04> Although lots of people run it on laptops etc.
23:20 < pingpwn> hand wavy response is acceptable
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23:21 < uwharrie> then: it's focused on whatever its developers and users want it to focus on
23:23 < thrig> I mostly use openbsd as a desktop these years
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23:24 < jb1277976> I haven't had a real desktop that's my own in years. All laptops
23:25 < thrig> there is the virt with the gemini stuff, but eh
23:25 < pingpwn> same jb but it's becoming a bit tiring lately, laptops break more often than desktops
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23:27 < lenny1337> thinkpads
23:30 < aaronm04> This. I've had a Carbon X1 for nearly 8 years and it's good as new (except for one battery change 3 years ago)
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23:32 < pingpwn> my lenovo V130-15 (almost-thinkpad-but-not-really) broke just yesterday :(
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23:32 < pingpwn> the plastic parts that hold the screws of the screen's hinges broke, not even sure if ill be able to fix that, might just turn that into a desktop or something
23:33 < aaronm04> Sorry to hear that. Maybe look into the Framework laptop?
23:33 < pingpwn> they don't ship where i'm at, but when they do i would really like to get it
23:33 < aaronm04> ah ok
23:33 < lenny1337> i'm really skeptical about the framework laptop
23:34 < pingpwn> thinkpads sound like the next best option 
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23:35 < aaronm04> Most likely
23:36 < thrig> used does keep things away from the landfill for longer
23:37 < pingpwn> never thrown out a machine tbh, and I rarely stuff them away at some drawer
23:37 < pingpwn> they're always useful for something
23:37 < lenny1337> i run openbsd on a used t440p (2013) and x270 (2017) and it runs very well
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