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00:08 < ssm_> does anyone here know if `i=0; while [ i -lt 100 ]` is posix? or does the posix version have to have a $ on the second i, like `[ $i -lt 100 ]`
00:08 < ssm_> s/version/valid syntax
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00:09 < ssm_> been trying to look this up for like 20 minutes now and I can't find anything. Tried reading the posix manual for test and [ and ksh(1), but I can't figure out if this is an extension or not
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00:22 < phy1729> ssm_: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/    Shells and Utilities, Utilities, test
00:22 < phy1729> also if you say you're looking for POSIX advice up front #bash does POSIX sh too.
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01:54 < spo0n> can't you just run it on as sh and see?
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01:56 < phy1729> No, POSIX is a standard not a particular shell.
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01:57 < thrig> a 'sh' may or may not apply the POSIX standard
01:58 < spo0n> yes but, at least with bash, by running it as sh, it should disable the aditions so if it runs, its POSIX compliant?
01:58 < thrig> for example, it is not uncommon to see #!/bin/sh scripts gunked up with bash
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02:00 < spo0n> also from what little reading I did, apparently openBSDs implementation of /bin/sh was the weird one though it is fair to say that wiritng /bin/sh script that isn't posix compliant sounds like a very fun prank :V
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02:29 < ssm_> phy1729: read the whole thing top to bottom, can't find anything about it. so I guess it isn't?
02:29 < ssm_> or I just blinded it, twice
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02:30 < ssm_> but not including $ in $((arithmetic)) shells is posix, which is weird
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07:36 < andinus> can we use relayd to loadbalance multiple servers running on same host but different ports?
07:37 < andinus> i.e. app-01 listening on 8080, app-02 listening on 8081, and relayd loadbalancing them
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09:26 < lts> I have Skylake hardware which crashes hard / instantly reboots on startup when /etc/rc runs the command "acpidump -q -o /var/db/acpi/" . I'm not finding much how to troubleshoot this. Any pointers? I don't see a kernel dump.
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09:26 < lts> Also noted that the acpidump(8) man page does not show it has a -q switch
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09:50 < avemestr> I believe -q asks it to be quiet.
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09:54 < lts> Yes indeed https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/acpidump/acpidump.c#L685C14-L685C14
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11:33 < Belzebuth> Hello, Is the 'install74.img', same for the i386 and the amd64?
11:34 < sibiria> no
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11:34 < sibiria> it is used the same way, but the contents are not the same
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11:35 < Belzebuth> sibiria: because it has the same name?
11:36 < sibiria> they all have the same name. they're just in different directories on the ftp servers
11:37 < Belzebuth> ok, thank you. 
11:38 < remiliascarlet> Belzebuth: i386 is for 32-bit processors (for example, Pentium 4), amd64 is for 64-bit processors (Core 2 Duo, i3/i5/i7/i9, Ryzen, and so on).
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11:44 < quinq> 18
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12:18 < deacon426> morg
12:18 < deacon426> morn*
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12:22 < PiRATA> deacon426: ah u're a puffy fan :} can't blame you
12:22 < deacon426> yup
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12:25 < deacon426> you could also go on and blame me, whether or not I agree with you is another item :)
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12:35 < PiRATA> deacon426: shame on you for choosing an OS that just works and takes minimal maintenance :)
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12:36 < deacon426> I disagree with your petty accusations, muahahaa
12:36 < deacon426> :)
12:36 < spo0n> DOS?
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12:38 < deacon426> oh hi spo0n
12:38 < spo0n> o/
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12:45 < quinq> Hummm, is there a way to run a command on keybinding in ksh, a bit like bash has bind -x?
12:45 < quinq> So far I can only see bind string=[editing-command]
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12:46 < quinq> Something like bind -m string='command^J' would work as an alias, but not when 
12:46 < quinq> Hummm, nevermind, thanks for teddybear debugging :>
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13:22 < Belzebuth> remiliascarlet: thanks, I have an i5, and now I installed amd64.
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13:23 < deacon426> Belzebuth: good times :)
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14:00 < seninha> Hi, consider this makefile: https://termbin.com/r58zh
14:00 < seninha> run it with `make VAR=foo` and then `gmake VAR=foo`
14:00 < seninha> (with OpenBSD make and GNU make)
14:01 < seninha> They behave differently (obsd's echoes "foohello world", while gnu's echoes "hello world")
14:02 < seninha> make(1) does not describe what happens when the "%" does not appear in the right-hand side of a AT&T System V UNIX style variable substitution
14:03 < seninha> in this case, make interprets as if there was an "%" in the beginning of the new_string
14:04 < seninha> Is this a bug, an undefined behavior, or a feature? Should I mail bugs@?
14:07 < mesaoptimizer> interesting
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14:38 < Lucas6023> seninha: I'd say to write to bugs@. I believe the gmake behaviour is more correct.
14:38 < Lucas6023> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1300696 this Makefile helped me undestand it better
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14:47 < PiRATA> anyone having problems installing the 7.4 sets on QEMU?
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14:53 < bountyht> PiRATA: Not here. WHich problems do you have?
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14:58 < PiRATA> something acpi related
14:59 < PiRATA> starts installing bsd but then panics with something acpi related and reboots
14:59 < PiRATA> 7.3 works fine
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15:06 < ke5c2fin> I want to file a crash report and my openbsd frequently crashes. How do I get the source code in /sys/arch/$(uname -m)/compile/GENERIC so I can provide more information via objdump(1)?
15:06 < ke5c2fin> Trying to follow these steps https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html
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15:09 < bountyht> PiRATA: Will try later in my virt cluster. So far I see no crashes here
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15:29 < PiRATA> bountyht: ty
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15:49 < IcePic> ke5c2fin: also check "man crash", and https://www.openbsd.org/report.html if you haven't
15:52 < PiRATA> bountyht: if it helps https://i.imgur.com/vPjh0WA.png
15:53 < PiRATA> does not seem to work via QEMU and vbox
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16:16 < seninha> Is sendbug(1) format enforced to mailing bugs@?
16:17 < brynet> no
16:17 < brynet> The format is a leftover from when bugs@ used GNATS.
16:18 < seninha> nice
16:18 < seninha> i thought there was some kind of parser to read mails and fill in bugs on a database or smth
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16:21 < brynet> no automation at all anymore.
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16:38 < IcePic> spo0n: I think that one of the old (can't say if it is still there) criticisms of bash was that when called as sh, it would still retain a lot of bashisms, which meant that people would write bash scripts called with #!/bin/sh thinking that it was decent sh scripting, but in fact would not work with non-bash sh, and this was very visible on debian when they opted to use the far smaller "dash" to be their 
16:39 < IcePic> sh implementation
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16:42 < Zyxer> Yea, also many think bash is always supposed to be sh, they don't care about keeping it POSIX compliant. 
16:43 < thrig> #!/bin/sh set -exo pipefail etc
16:44 < Zyxer> sh is usually just a symlink to bash. Can bash really differentiate if it was called through a symlink?
16:44 < thrig> easy enough to test by inspecting argv[0]
16:45 < Zyxer> Really? The shebang line is passed as argv[0]?
16:45 < Zyxer> Damn, had no idea. 
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16:48 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/whatsmyname.c
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18:02 < diod> what is the future of graphics on openbsd?
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18:15 < betabug> ascii art
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18:16 < thrig> in both colors
18:16 < magnahelix> Wait, what? There's color?! In plural?! :o
18:19 < thrig> black, and white
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18:20 < magnahelix> It's a step up from gray scale or entirely green or orange I suppose.
18:21 < thrig> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170206227305843&w=2
18:22 < magnahelix> Seems that user is feeling tremendously homesick from GNU ls. :P
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18:23 < magnahelix> Unless the CLI is lit up like a Christmas tree... You're doing it all wrong.
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18:43 < mornfall> hm, so i fished a beaglebone black out of the cellar and it works fine and boots a 7.4 armv7 installer, but both the emmc and the microsd card are giving me IO errors (emmc outright refuses to communicate, uSD gave me panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc halfway through set installation)
18:44 < thrig> maybe the sd went bad?
18:44 < mornfall> is the flash likely to be bad, or are there some issues with the mmc driver on armv7 that could be causing this?
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18:45 < mornfall> http://sprunge.us/lXBhGF
18:46 < mornfall> ommmc seems to be the driver running both mmc devices
18:46 < mornfall> (it's an am33x soc)
18:52 < mornfall> ok badblocks on the uSD attached to a desktop goes crazy
18:52 < mornfall> so i guess all the flash disintegrated in storage
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18:54 < mornfall> oh, it went ‘medium not present’ in the middle of the test
18:55 < thrig> séance device
18:55 < mornfall> okay i think i have finished the card off… makes me wonder where the other uSD cards are
18:56 < mornfall> and whether they are in better shape
18:57 < mornfall> this is some crummy tech smh; all this stuff is barely 10 years old?
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19:13 < Zyxer> diod: I'm not sure what you mean. I been running OpenBSD as desktop main daily drive
19:13 < mornfall> that's in the past, but how about the future
19:14 < mornfall> a couple years ago i was pretty sure amdgpu would never end up in openbsd, yet here we are
19:14 < mornfall> wayland in base when :p
19:14 < magnahelix> I'm not too convinced about micro sd cards being all that and a bag of chips.
19:14 < magnahelix> Single board computers use them because they were a cheap and abundant option.
19:14 < mornfall> yeah, must have been cheap
19:15 < magnahelix> Made that mistake a few times, too.
19:15 < mornfall> i found another tho, so far holding up under badblocks -w
19:15 < magnahelix> Bought a cheaper sd card and then wondered why the raspberry pi would stop responding in a few months...
19:16 < mornfall> says transcend on the dead one
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19:18 < mornfall> the possibly-not-dead one is kingston i think (also 16G vs the broken one which was just 2G)
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19:20 < pardis> "sh is usually just a symlink to bash" is not even true of GNUish systems
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19:23 < seninha> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=170223495405119
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19:25 < mornfall> seninha: confusing
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19:26 < mornfall> seems the observed behaviour matches the documented behaviour; what is the bug?
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19:43 < Zyxer> wat
19:44 < Zyxer> There was really no proper graphics on OpenBSD a few years ago?
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19:48 < ssm_> Zyxer: basically got one dev (jsg@) that's holding up the whole openbsd graphics stack by himself
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19:48 < Zyxer> Holy shit
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19:49 < mornfall> Zyxer: huh?
19:50 < mornfall> X has been around since forever
19:52 < Zyxer> Yes
19:52 < Zyxer> But I meant graphics acceleration
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19:54 < sibiria> 2D acceleration has been around for a very long time, but 3D acceleration is relatively young and so-so in support - and this is what modern WMs and compositors use these days
19:54 < thrig> gotta accel those xterms
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20:00 < sibiria> solution: use tiling WM and pretent windows have never been able to move around freely and smoothly!1
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20:36 < Zyxer> Well, it was all fixed when I started using it. Ppl used to complain about youtube in firefox. 
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20:37 < Zyxer> I think that was fixed a few weeks before I installed it as daily driver, however that was on firefox package side issue iirc
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21:32 < Zyxer> Anyone know os a self host one drive document editing alternative? 
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21:33 < signalblue> Zyxer: nextcloud?
21:33 < Zyxer> Like, co-editing a text document live, and you can see live what the other person does. And that is available on openbsd
21:33 < signalblue> oh
21:33 < Zyxer> NextCloud allows for co-editing?
21:33 < signalblue> with a web interface?
21:33 < signalblue> like do you need a web interface for that?
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21:34 < Zyxer> Yes, so I and a friend can co-edit and such. 
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21:34 < thrig> the web consumes all
21:34 < Zyxer> I guess it doesn't need to be web, could be with a client. 
21:35 < Zyxer> I don't like using microsoft middle man just to be able to co-edit a file. 
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21:35 < signalblue> thrig: sure does
21:35 < signalblue> just curious, does that annoy you thrig?
21:36 < Zyxer> Well, if you know of a non-web solution for co-editing using internet then I am all ears. 
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21:36 < thrig> not really, but I had to switch the user-agent as DDG started getting pissy about the MSIE8/Windows8 agent string I was using
21:36 < Zyxer> signalblue: Tbh it annoys me as well that everything is turning web based. 
21:36 < signalblue> Zyxer: libreoffice and VNC
21:36 < Zyxer> Oh, guess not me as well, but just me
21:37 < signalblue> replace libreoffice with Abiword if you'd like
21:37 < Zyxer> Eh, that is very hassle. Since 2 can't edit two different lines in a document at the same time
21:37 < codermattie> what kind of documents?
21:37 < signalblue> split screen them :)
21:38 < Zyxer> Text mainly
21:38 < codermattie> you could use hackerrank or several other tools
21:38 < Zyxer> Split screen won't work? Can't have cursor on 2 different lines and type 
21:38 < signalblue> oh that's true
21:38 < codermattie> VScode also has a shared editor
21:38 < signalblue> and it's a hassele
21:39 < Zyxer> Hassle for setup is ok, but it should be smooth sailing once setup is done. Like, connect and edit without worrying if the other is editing another line or similar
21:40 < codermattie> it would be pretty easy to code a Emacs Elisp hack that did sharead editing
21:40 < codermattie> just do it over tramp and when a file change is detected force a reload
21:40 < codermattie> Emacs can do anything
21:41 < signalblue> Transparent Remote Access, Multiple Protocols
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21:41 < signalblue> https://gitlab.com/smoores/ode
21:42 < signalblue> https://etherpad.org/
21:42 < signalblue> Zyxer
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21:42 < Zyxer> Thanks
21:43 < signalblue> no problem
21:43 < signalblue> now the trick is to see whether they work on OpenBSD
21:43 < Zyxer> Yes, therpad, that thing! Thanks so much! I had forgotten about it
21:43 < Zyxer> etherpad*
21:43 < signalblue> :)
21:45 < Zyxer> Yea, if it doesn't looking into porting. If it is too hard (I am just enthusiast/wannabe, I am more tech savy than probs 90% but just being able to cd and mkdir is enough for that)
21:45 < Zyxer> then RIP
21:45 < signalblue> why use OpenBSD on the desktop though
21:46 < ssm_> signalblue: because it's better than all the alternatives, assuming you do certain tasks on other hardware or a virtual machine?
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21:46 < ssm_> "certain tasks" being gaming or work
21:46 < codermattie> openbsd as a desktop is nice for being on hostile networks
21:47 < ssm_> we do have a good amount of games on openbsd though, check out #openbsd-gaming if interested
21:47 < codermattie> you can probe things without worrying about being breached
21:47 < Zyxer> My server is OpenBSD
21:47 < codermattie> I have a openbsd server, and a framework laptop
21:47 < ssm_> codermattie: dang are you me
21:48 < Zyxer> I have been jumping around and landed on FreeBSD for desktop, since I want to be able to test controller on a game I am making. And I never got very far on OpenBSD with controller
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21:48 < codermattie> ssm_: lol
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21:48 < Zyxer> Controller driver had my openBSD laptop crash after I plug in controller and press buttons
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21:48 < ssm_> I never gave freebsd a good try, something about the documentation was nebulous to me
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21:49 < codermattie> ssm_: its a little slicker but has the same hardware support issues
21:49 < thrig> installer took a while, too
21:49 < Zyxer> But, I am starting to understand controller drivers better, so I probs will try to make something later for OpenBSD when I have more free time
21:49 < signalblue> freebsd is my favorite
21:49 < signalblue> freebsd documentation is great and the installer takes like 5 mins max
21:49 < ssm_> I keep meaning to try freebsd in a vm, but it doesn't work in vmm and I'm too lazy to learn qemu
21:50 < signalblue> ssm_: better than the alternatives is debatable though
21:50 < thrig> you really need a mac to run the freebsd vm
21:50 < signalblue> depends on your needs
21:50 < codermattie> ssm_: qemu is like molasses without hardware acceleration
21:50 < signalblue> thrig: not really
21:50 < signalblue> hyper-v on windows runs freebsd vms nicely
21:50 < ssm_> codermattie: even just for accessing via ssh?
21:50 < signalblue> even for server/production workloads
21:50 < thrig> the joke being a lot of freebsd devs ran freebsd in a virt on a mac
21:50 < codermattie> ssm_: I tried running a linux image and it was unusable
21:51 < signalblue> thrig: ohhh
21:51 < signalblue> dogfooding wasn't a thing for th em
21:51 < signalblue> s/th em/them
21:51 < codermattie> if you work in IT you need a mac or win box
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21:51 < codermattie> mac is nicer imho
21:51 < ssm_> pick your poison
21:51 < Zyxer> OpenBSD is my favourite, but, yea, a few usecases doesn't work good for me and at first OpenBSD worked on everything. I could work around most things (and some of the issues are on FreeBSD as well) but the controller thing was what decided it for me
21:51 < thrig> nope, I had an openbsd desktop at my last IT job
21:52 < Zyxer> I work in IT, we use linux. 
21:52 < signalblue> thrig: any pictures of the workstation?
21:52 < signalblue> or the desktop?
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21:52 < signalblue> would love to see
21:52 < thrig> it was a crummy HP desktop hooked up to a crummy Dell LCD
21:52 < codermattie> I worked for several IT companies, specialized drivers for networking, tokens, and other issues made linux unusable
21:53 < thrig> they kept on trying to get me a new desktop but I was like, what for?
21:53 < codermattie> we had a sys engineer who used linux, it took three days for him to get on wifi
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21:53 < codermattie> not really a workable option
21:53 < signalblue> lol
21:53 < Zyxer> Wat
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21:54 < Zyxer> Without context: I am not sure it was a competent sys engineer. 
21:54 < signalblue> usually the thinkpads have great hardware compatibility
21:54 < ssm_> codermattie: stories like this make me feel justified in persuing CE/embedded instead of IT/CS
21:54 < codermattie> well you needed a special driver to reveal the access points, and I would say he is more competent than most people i have met in almost 30 years of experience
21:55 < codermattie> Im amazed he got it to work at all
21:55 < ssm_> I just want to hack in C on openbsd, that's my purpose in life
21:55 < Zyxer> Ugh... I have to make my server filthy... Etherpad needs nodejs 
21:55 < codermattie> ssm_: I hope you like ramen noodles
21:55 < Zyxer> But, not like it wasn't to unexpected. Webapps.... 
21:55 < ssm_> codermattie: I thought embedded paid well
21:56 < ssm_> higher than CS stuff anyways
21:56 < codermattie> he was engineering on a cloud
21:56 < codermattie> AAA, authentication, authorization, and access
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21:58 < ssm_> AAA battery
21:58 < codermattie> he was hacking radius
21:58 < thrig> anti-anti-aircraft?
21:58 < ludovicus> triple A record
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22:04 < codermattie> a lot of high security jobs also ship you a laptop and thats all you can use
22:05 < codermattie> they weld it shut so you cant modify it or install anything
22:05 < thrig> intercepted along the way by all the agencies
22:05 < Zyxer> My brother installed arch in WSL
22:05 < Zyxer> His company allows him to run linux, but the customers laptop for their project, well, the customer locked it down to windows but allowed the WSL
22:06 < topcat001> in our company barely anyone has linux knowledge, and no one knows what bsd is. The laptops issued run windows, fully bugged with the latest spyware.
22:06 < codermattie> I once got a mac that only allowed you to install spotify
22:07 < Zyxer> The eternal swede is at it again. 
22:08 < Zyxer> Only swedish software allowed
22:08 < topcat001> a colleague saw my workstation with i3+xterms and said it was "disgusting" :D
22:09 < Zyxer> Wat
22:09 < topcat001> exactly
22:09 < kotrcka> In macOS you should be able to install a lot of SW the "user way" = not "installing it" by mobing into Applications but rather on your Desktop or wherever you have write permissions.
22:10 < codermattie> I prefer multiple devices and using each one for its strengths
22:10 < Zyxer> Ok. So, I think I got etherpad up and running properly
22:10 < codermattie> openbsd is a excellent server for standard internet protocols except for its NFS implementation
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22:10 < Zyxer> I made a user etherpad, maybe I should have named it _etherpad for good measure. 
22:10 < Zyxer> Then tmux and ran the etherpad as the user etherpad
22:11 < Zyxer> git cloned to /home/etherpad/git
22:11 < Zyxer> I think that what I did was good practice, I have no idea. Any feedback is appreciated. 
22:12 < codermattie> are you doing shared editing with yourself?
22:12 < Zyxer> No, a friend and I
22:13 < Zyxer> Gonna ask him to ssh tunnel, since I am not getting into hassle of port forward and setting up login for the page. Unless there is already such a function to be set in config
22:13 < Zyxer> He uses windows and only time he touched terminal, afaik, has been to connect to my server and such 
22:14 < Zyxer> Or well, command prompt as windows calls it
22:14 < Zyxer> IT WORKS
22:14 < Zyxer> I think 
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22:17 < Zyxer> Uh... It warns that dirtyDB is used and is not good for production 
22:17 < codermattie> definitely dirty then
22:18 < Zyxer> Aw well, a fast but dirty solution is acceptable in this case
22:19 < Zyxer> I feel like I want to make a package now or at least port etherpad. Useful to break out from all the centralised drive share things 
22:19 < codermattie> javascript is a license nightmare
22:19 < codermattie> see how many libs you pulled to get it working
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22:20 < Zyxer> Oh you're right
22:20 < codermattie> its normal to have ~1000 libraries for anything
22:20 < Zyxer> How can I check it?
22:20 < codermattie> doing a license audit requires tools and time
22:20 < codermattie> wc -l the lockfile
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22:20 < Zyxer> I never used nodejs before
22:21 < Zyxer> Which lockfile?
22:21 < codermattie> that will give you a count, then you need a script to compile the licenses
22:21 < codermattie> the package lockfile
22:21 < codermattie> npm
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22:21 < codermattie> package-lock.json
22:21 < codermattie> should be in the project root
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22:23 < codermattie> extract the package names with grep and cut and then query the licenses, output to a file and sort -u the licenses to compact the audit
22:24 < Zyxer> It wasn't in root. or, it was in src. Maybe that is considered root 
22:24 < codermattie> also if any developer rug pulls the license on any library you are toast, it has happened
22:24 < codermattie> the root is the base directory of the checkout
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22:25 < Zyxer> Grugg git clone, grugg cd to git, then grugg src/bin/run.sh
22:25 < Zyxer> Oh checkout of git
22:26 < Zyxer> No it was in subdir called src
22:26 < codermattie> ok
22:26 < Zyxer> How do I grep the deps?
22:26 < codermattie> cant remember , I avoid javascript due to the library hell
22:27 < codermattie> its also has a gross toolchain
22:27 < Zyxer> Is it all things that have a version?
22:27 < codermattie> yeah
22:27 < Zyxer> Omg
22:28 < Zyxer> So just grep version pipe to wc -l 
22:28 < Zyxer> 1090...... 
22:29 < Zyxer> Holy shit
22:30 < Zyxer> I was more right about making my server dirty than I thought
22:31 < thrig> sweep it under the rug. I mean, container
22:32 < Zyxer> There is a docker file
22:32 < Zyxer> but.... I didn't use it. I dunno if it can be used on OpenBSD
22:33 < Zyxer> But yea no thanks. I am not gonna port or package that with all the licenses and pray
22:34 < Zyxer> It works on lan, unlike murmurd.
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22:34 < Zyxer> Or well, without changing settings I mean, murmurd had bug and manually setting listen to 0.0.0.0 fixed it. 
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22:38 < Zyxer> Ok it seems it has login settings and such 
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23:00 < Zyxer> Etherpad takes forever to start..... What did I expect? over 9000 dependencies to load and shiet
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23:02 < genevino> /set irc.look.smart_filter on
23:02 < genevino> meh
23:02 < Zyxer> Hmm... 
23:02 < genevino> /set irc.look.smart_filter toggle
23:03 < genevino> hm
23:03 < genevino> now that's some weird bug
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23:03 < quinq> That's not a reason to make us pay for it
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23:08 < genevino> Excuse the spam, my client was showing that with an actual / in the beginning both times but send it with a "?" instead so I wasn't expecting to send anything.
23:08 < Zyxer> So, if I make ssh tunnel, and use the ssh connection for server stuff as well, whenever I stop or start etherpad it fills up my ssh terminal with errors, and it takes long time to start and stop. I am gonna do a lot of configuring but will the ssh -L ... 2> /dev/null remove all the tunnel related errors from eating up my ssh terminal?
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23:30 < quinq> genevino, just joking ;)
23:31 < genevino> quinq: :)
23:33 < Zyxer> Yea it worked, 2> /dev/null is a blessing
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23:53 < Zyxer> Taking forever just to test password hash and it seems broken and very outdated guides
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23:59 < Zyxer> Oh, the npm module thing was last updated 2 years ago. 
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