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00:51 < Zyxer> Hi
00:51 < Zyxer> Is the godot-tools package orphaned?
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00:57 < Lucas6023> Zyxer: no. op2 is the MAINTAINER for all the godot things.
00:58 < Zyxer> Why is it not on godot 4 yet? 
00:58 < Zyxer> Ok that sounded rude, I mean, is there anything I can do to help with getting it to 4 ?
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00:59 < Zyxer> I dunno what op2 or who that is. But not orphaned. Got it. 
01:00 < brynet> Zyxer: godot4 was recently imported, but not fully working yet.
01:00 < brynet> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs&m=170102216315086&w=2
01:01 < Zyxer> What do you mean not fully working yet? 
01:01 < brynet> godot port remains 3.5 because some games still need it
01:01 < brynet> Zyxer: It's explained in the commit.
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01:03 < Zyxer> Ok. Does this mean I can compile it myself from ports tree?
01:08 < Zyxer> Well, thanks for the information. When it comes I can switch back to OpenBSD for desktop daily drive. 
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01:10 < brynet> If you're on 7.4, then no. OpenBSD ports development happens on -current, packages will show up there eventually, I believe the editor is working, but that's all.
01:12 < brynet> But hopefully it'll be working by the time 7.5 is released, there might even be some games that will work with it.
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01:13 < Zyxer> Ah, ok 
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04:52 < rec_desc> hello
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05:21 < ssm_> Zyxer: I backported godot4 from the mailing list to stable. It builds fine, but the editor crashes as soon as you start a new project.
05:22 < ssm_> don't know if it's a bug between -stable and -current, or because intel hardware
05:23 < Zyxer> Hmm...
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06:05 < fikran> Hi all! I just wanted to verify that its proper to send email to tech@openbsd.org to paste a patch?
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08:20 < jca> fikran: yep, just don't copy/paste patches (that results in patches that don't apply: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Diff) ;)
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08:44 < IcePic> fikran: when I have to send diffs from a mailer I can't trust to NOT make changes to the text (like utf-8ing, htmlifying, combining two dashes to one long unicode dash-something), I usually put the diff on a webhost somewhere also, so that devs can ftp(1) the diff in case the mailer mangles the contents.
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12:30 < cjs> After updating to test the latest -current with Theo's removal of syscall etc., I now no longer can update packages. 'pkg_add -u' yields "pkg_add: Unknown option: updatedb"  I have reread pkg_add(1) and locate.updatedb(8) but am certain that I am missing something. No problems with package updates following -current on this amd64 installation with snapshots every 2-3 weeks for about 9 months before today.
12:31 < sibiria> welcome to snapshot wilderness
12:31 < nedko> probably all elf binary files have to be rebuilt so to work with the new system
12:31 < cjs> My guess is that this is a known problem with an easy fix, which is why I am taking to #openbsd rather than misc@ or bugs@ :)
12:31 < cjs> Otherwise, I can just sit and wait for rebuilds, if that is what is happening. No urgency.
12:32 < cjs> But, nothing can be installed or updated.
12:32 < cjs> Let me know if there is a known fix or if I ought to take to bugs@
12:33 < sibiria> The Brickening
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13:04 < sukamu> Is it possible to align the contents of a httpd directory index so they don't look bad?
13:04 < sukamu> see: https://files.suragu.net/Music/%E3%83%9F%E3%83%89%E3%83%AA/%E3%81%82%E3%82%89%E3%81%9F%E3%82%81%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%80%81%E3%81%AF%E3%81%98%E3%82%81%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%80%81%E3%83%9F%E3%83%89%E3%83%AA%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%E3%80%82/
13:06 < IcePic> that looks like combined chars are being counted as bytes, and not as the tokens they get printed as
13:06 < IcePic> but not sure
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13:08 < tercaL> sukamu: Wow, that's almost a magic :)
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14:05 < sonya> sukamu, may be genegation of auto-index (index.html) could help.. that's the usual way, imo.. 
14:05 < sonya> raw dir listings are not meant to be pretty
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14:13 < sukamu> sonya: so i'd have to write a perl script or something to generate the index?
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14:19 < IcePic> sukamu: wonder if there is a fixed width font you could specify that would make the filenames align better?
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14:22 < sukamu> hmmm
14:22 < sukamu> I'll try changing a CSS rule
14:25 < sonya> sukamu, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3785055/how-can-i-create-a-simple-index-html-file-which-lists-all-files-directories
14:25 < sonya> a lot of ways to do it in a simple manner
14:26 < sukamu> I'll try adding a CSS line to the httpd source code 
14:28 < sibiria> won't help. it's counting each byte as one column, instead of each glyph as one column
14:29 < sukamu> I see
14:29 < sukamu> Well, then I'll try the other solution
14:29 < thrig> isn't there wcwidth or something
14:30 < sukamu> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/httpd/server_file.c#L513
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14:30 < sukamu> Wouldn't it be more sane to the css to a file the user can edit?
14:31 < sibiria> it would
14:31 < sukamu> I could make a patch
14:31 < sonya> well.. then it'll be "global.css/local.css/site-specific.css/etc"
14:32 < sukamu> I'll do it when I finish writing the files script
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17:17 < cjs> Update: Today's snapshot fixed pkg_add for me after it broke with yesterday's snapshot.
17:19 < betabug> life on the bleeding edge of technology
17:19 < cjs> The idea that some core utilities were not yet recompiled against the new non-syscall standards probably was right. I am glad that I did not take the rookie approach and go to misc@ or, worse, bugs@
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17:20 < thrig> the captain has turned on the regression test smoking sign
17:21 < magnahelix> Buckle up.
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17:40 < cjs> Meanwhile, I decided to take an ill-timed trip to the restroom, and the turbulence is dreadful.
17:40 < Bradipo> Have to head out to the outhouse?
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18:45 < ssm_> can someone explain in layman's terms why syscall(2) is bad? I'm not being argumentative, I've never even used it before
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18:46 < thrig> an attacker could use it to do naughty things, probably
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18:55 < phy1729> It's more powerful than most programs need, so it got removed to make things a little bit harder for some attacks.
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19:06 < martian67> ssm_: its deeply intertwined with C's memory model, basicly, it makes exploits harder to pull off
19:06 < martian67> because you can't just synthetically generate syscalls then run them
19:09 < phy1729> That's more pinning than syscall(2) removal
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19:12 < martian67> phy1729: sure, but with pinning syscall(2) is useless anyways
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19:21 < phy1729> No? With pinning it could still run any syscall which is why removing it is useful now
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20:11 < Zyxer> I know this is wrong but I am in super hurry
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20:11 < Zyxer> How I set tty to output to serial COMport in linux?
20:11 < Zyxer> Or does it do that by default?
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20:17 < Zyxer> I SOLVED IT
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20:19 < sonya> Zyxer, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Working_with_the_serial_console
20:19 < sonya> oh
20:19 < sonya> sorry
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20:31 < Zyxer> agetty-ttyS0 service
20:33 < Zyxer> Gonna do the same on OpenBSD later. But no rush for that one
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