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15:43 < meena> rsync post-install script failed…
15:44 < meena> with, useradd: can't obtain pw_lock: File exists
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15:50 < meena> now if i knew how to use ktrace / kdump, i could find out where that lock file is…
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15:55 < meena> oh, it's literally just ktrace command 🤦🏻‍♀️
15:55 < thrig> man pw_lock | grep file
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16:02 < meena> thrig: yeah, i saw that, but somehow didn't quite grasp it.
16:02 < meena> next up: Fatal: building ports requires correctly installed X11 (in sysutils/cloud-init)
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16:02 < meena> why, and how do I install it after the fact?
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16:06 < meena> can I just download https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/amd64/xbase74.tgz ++ and unpack it over / ?
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16:06 < thrig> more sensible might be to install all the sets by default
16:07 < sibiria> the "why" is because of the do-gooder decision that xenocara shall be a part of base system. you can install the set after install
16:07 < sibiria> meena: boot the install kernel and "upgrade"
16:07 < meena> thrig: i didn't know that a week or three ago
16:08 < meena> sibiria: from a "cdrom", or can i just do that from the installed system?
16:08 < IcePic> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeeded
16:08 < sibiria> meena: from the installed system. you have "bsd.rd" in place already. that's the install ("ramdisk") kernel
16:09 < meena> cool
16:09 < sibiria> on the boot prompt, interrupt the process and do "boot hd0a:/bsd.rd"
16:09 < IcePic> reading the FAQ from start to finish would be an awesome way to get a hunch of the topics actually covered in there
16:09 < sibiria> (presuming the bootloader says "hd0" is the device being booted)
16:09 < Foxy_> meena: reboot on bsd.rd, then Upgrade and install sets for X11
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16:09 < meena> will i need games, too? to build ports?
16:10 < Foxy_> no need for games set
16:10 < IcePic> need - no, will you have to adapt every time you upgrade? yes
16:10 < sibiria> no, but a Sane and Righteous installation shall have games.tgz, because fortune(6) and hack(6) are in there
16:10 < sibiria> go for it. do yourself a favor
16:10 < oldlaptop> (You will need to spend more time to deselect gameXX than the 2MiB or whatver of disk it takes are worth. Even once.)
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16:11 < meena> fair
16:12 < oldlaptop> there's been nothing setuid in there for some years now, on OpenBSD; security considerations would be live on other systems where games still use setuid root to keep system-wide score files, but not here
16:12 < meena> i just wanted to have a smol set, cuz this is a VM i'm doing cloud stuff with
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16:13 < sibiria> you're not alone
16:13 < meena> also, i didn't know that games is 2 mb
16:13 < meena> it probably took more time deslect it than it takes to download and unpack it
16:13 < IcePic> meena: sometimes it is like "I wanted to only have 3 wheels on my car, because I only ever turn left, and it would save 25% when I need to change tyres"
16:13 < thrig> I have an openbsd virt on the smallest instance I could find and haven't run into weeks of wacky cloud issues
16:13 < oldlaptop> $ du -hs /usr/games
16:13 < oldlaptop> 2.0M    /usr/games
16:13 < sibiria> xenocara is a tad under 300 mb, fyi
16:13 < oldlaptop> (that's 7.4 amd64)
16:14 < meena> IcePic: nah. i just wanted a unicycle.
16:14 < meena> maybe I should've gone with CURRENT…
16:15 < oldlaptop> it's all ancient text-mode stuff, corresponding to what a lot of linux package managers call "bsdgames" or so - IIRC tetris is one of the newer ones, originating as one of the early IOCCC winners
16:15 < meena> for more fun.
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16:15 < IcePic> meena: a machine on which to build ports is really not a unicycle
16:15 < oldlaptop> more of a tractor-trailer sort of thing
16:16 < meena> oldlaptop: i have one game on my linux laptop installed, something called "dotris" that someone in #freebsd-social programmed… and recently my daughter wanted to play a game on my laptop, so I put that on
16:16 < meena> IcePic: i was hoping someone else would build the port
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16:21 < meena> is there a way to re-generate the distfile on version upgrades?
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16:25 < IcePic> meena: I dont understand that question. Which distfile?
16:26 < meena> distinfo
16:26 < meena> "Create a checksum in distinfo by typing make makesum."
16:27 < IcePic> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/index.html <- all about how to make, and update a port
16:27 < meena> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html#UpdateChecklist
16:28 < meena> i… typod.
16:32 < meena> next up, updating PLIST…
16:33 < meena> okay, that was easy. next up config
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19:58 < orwell> Moin! I want to operate two pppoe uplinks in failover mode. What is the best way to implement this? With ifstated?
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20:01 < vortexx> orwell: trunk can do it
20:01 < vortexx> man trunk
20:02 < orwell> how would i trunk pppoe interfaces? the authorization and ip settings are handled in hostname.pppoeX and can't be configured in hostname.trunkX for pppoe
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20:05 < vortexx> I'm not certain but I think it doesn't matter that hostname.pppoeX handles the auth
20:05 < vortexx> give it a go and see ?
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20:07 < orwell> and how should I handle different credentials for the pppoe interfaces if specified in hostname.trunkX?
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20:16 < vortexx> looking at the manpage, I think you can put the IP config stuff in trunkX and the auth in the two pppoeX (as you'd do for wifi)
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20:18 < orwell> I don't get it. For clarification: I have two ISPs with different credentials and different IPs. That's a completely different setup than with lan and wifi in the same network as suggested in the faq. If you ever configured an pppoe interface, you would know you can't split credentials and ip setup for pppoe.
20:18 < orwell> I'm sorry if I miss something
20:19 < vortexx> yeah I have no real experience with pppoe
20:19 < vortexx> so maybe ifstated might be a better solution
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20:23 < vortexx> ok apparently since pppoeX interfaces are virtual you can't use for trunk, which makes sense
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20:40 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139942875632273&w=2 <-- someone claims to be able to trunk failover with vlans on top of pppoeX
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20:46 < orwell> this is pppoe on top of a trunk and not a trunk of two pppoe's if I get it right
20:46 < orwell> so completely unrelated
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21:01 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd, i'm struggling at something really dumb. How can I copy multiple directories into a new as-yet-uncreated directory? "$ cp -a /path/to/{one,two,three} /path/to/new_destination" doesn't work. And openrsync doesn't support multiple source directories either.
21:02 < diod> mkdir newdirectory
21:04 < dfdx> meh. okay. 
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21:04 < sonya> hmm.. mkdir -p $newdir
21:05 < thrig> mkdir -p -- "$newdir"
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21:05 < aerth> in faq14, i read that 'stacking softraid modes is not supported at this time'. Does that mean its not possible to boot from encrypted sd0 and have (not encrypted) RAID1 sd1,sd2 ?
21:07 < betabug> if sd0 is encrypted, then you boot from sd1
21:08 < sibiria> aerth: should work fine
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21:08 < sibiria> the caveat is that one device cannot be covered by two softraid pseudo-devices
21:09 < sibiria> should not be any problems having sd0, sd1 and sd2, with sd0 -> sd3 after unlocking, and then sd1 + sd2 going into a RAID1 array
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21:11 < aerth> thanks, doing it!
21:11 < sibiria> give it a go in a VM first maybe, so you know all of it works and how to assemble/detach the arrays and whatnot
21:13 < sibiria> also keep in mind that openbsd's softraid doesn't operate on disks in parallel, so RAID1 with two disks will be reduced to about 50% disk i/o speed, three disks about 33% etc.
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21:16 < vortexx> aerth: stacking means for ex doing RAID1 on two sets of two drives and then doing RAID0 on the created RAID1 devices. 
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21:34 < aerth> it worked great, mounted on /opt for now, thanks for the very useful info. been a while since using a HDD, forgot how loud they were.. :P  
21:35 < thrig> least you can tell when they're going bad (assuming your ears aren't bad)
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21:41 < sibiria> 5400 rpm 2.5" HDDs are underrated for bulk storage
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21:48 < sonya> +1 for 5400. some are very quiet and robust ones
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22:07 < aerth> these are 2x exo 20tb, 7200 rpm 3.5", i dont think they make 2.5" hdd that big. added to fstab and rebooted. happy camper here :) 
22:08 < thrig> I've got a 1T backup disk that's like 8% full
22:10 < pardis> aerth: be aware that fsck may require up to about a MB of memory for every GB of filesystem as a rule of thumb
22:10 < pardis> so if you plan to use a single large 20 TB filesystem, make sure you have at least 20 GB of memory
22:12 < pardis> and also be prepared to wait a very long time if you experience a crash
22:12 < pardis> I've had fsck take hours to complete on an 8 TB filesystem before
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22:16 < aerth> pardis: interesting. in that case, is it better to create smaller partitions as they are needed?
22:17 < aerth> (then make them readonly as they fill up) 
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22:37 < tux2bsd> made a few comments about DRBD last night. More here if anyone finds that stuff interesting: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6247
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22:42 < sibiria> depends on the size of the inode tree, no?
22:43 < sibiria> i have a few 2TB disks that are full, but contain relatively few files, and those drives fsck quite fast
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22:50 < meena> phew, i'mback.
22:50 < tux2bsd> ah shit, pasted in wrong channel
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22:59 < tux2bsd> but ^^ is good insight into how linux distro soup makes life hard for themselves (and users).  Not that that's new knowledge.
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23:13 < thrig> the kernel userland split isn't so bad in (most? all?) other operating systems
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23:22 < tux2bsd> you've missed the point.
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23:41 < meena> I'm surprised OpenBSD doesn't have a en_DK.UTF-8 locale
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