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03:14 < lts> So this was the reason for the ssh syspatch https://terrapin-attack.com/
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04:36 < rec_desc> hello, having a problem getting a new lenovo amd laptop installed
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04:37 < rec_desc> i disabled amd security and secureboot in the bios
04:37 < rec_desc> i get through the installer fine, but then the machine can't find the boot loader (i think)
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04:38 < rec_desc> i tried installing linux and erasing the drive, then reinstalling obsd, but same outcome
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04:39 < rec_desc> the machine asks what to boot, and if i select the nvme it just asks again
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04:42 < rak> Where is hw.battery.chargemode documented? I've checked sysctl(2) and acpithinkpad(4), but nothing. It was introduced in 7.4
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04:55 < runelind_> I'd like to run traefik on OpenBSD but unsure how to go about it since it requires open privileged ports.  Some kind of chroot or doas? I'm not well versed in the internals of OpenBSD so any pointers would be helpful! 
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05:00 < pardis> neither chroot nor doas is particularly relevant
05:00 < pardis> if you want to use privileged ports, you must run as root
05:01 < runelind> is that what httpd and others do? 
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05:01 < pardis> most web servers start as root to open ports and other things that need root privileges, then drop privileges to service requests
05:02 < pardis> traefik should support this considering what it does
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05:02 < pardis> if not, perhaps consider running a more competently written reverse proxy
05:03 < pardis> haproxy, nginx and squid are in ports
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05:08 < runelind> yeah, I may.  Already have a someone extensive traefik setup on different hardware, and I like some of its features. 
05:08 < runelind> thanks. 
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07:20 < mischief> huh, where does the default ethernet address prefix for veb/vport come from? seems like it's fe:e1:ba:d0 which is kinda funny
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07:21 < IcePic> mischief: if a certain bit in the first byte is set, it means that is is randomly generated
07:22 < IcePic> or, "locally administered", as opposed to globally unique
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07:23 < IcePic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address#Universal_vs._local_(U/L_bit)
07:23 < mischief> yes, but where in the source is it :)
07:24 < mischief> it is obviously specifically picked because it spells out two words
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07:31 < IcePic> mischief: sys/net/if_ethersubr.c line 666
07:32 < IcePic> ether_fakeaddr(struct ifnet *ifp)
07:32 < mischief> haha, i just found that myself too. thanks!
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07:37 < mischief> looks like that mac prefix was written there originally in 2000
07:40 < IcePic> yeah
07:40 < IcePic> sun machines for which the battery backup is out will have all-zeros mac addresses, so in that case having a random one generated would be lots better
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08:21 < avemestr> Note to self: When doing vlans, one must always remember to also do "up" on the underlying physical interface even if it doesn't have an IP or anyhthing.
08:22 < avemestr> It is listed as "active" in ifconfig even without "up" being in the hostname.xxx file. I don't see any difference between "up" being there and not - except that it doesn't work without "up".
08:24 < IcePic> the way I have been using vlan interfaces, they have had ips on them, so the hostname.vlanXX file having an inet/inet6 line would make them up
08:25 < avemestr> Yep, I also have that.
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08:26 < rhowe> If you assign an address it implies 'up', according to the ifconfig man page
08:27 < rIMpossible> G'morning :)
08:27 < mischief> the same is true of veb members, i believe.
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08:29 < rIMpossible> Is there an app for android to control the mouse/keyboard of an OpenBSD X server in the local network (WiFi) ? Or what would be best practice to do it, are there already solutions?
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08:30 < avemestr> Paste of what I mean: https://pastebin.com/iVUAt4aF
08:31 < avemestr> Note the em2 interface doesn't get an IP (static or by dhcp or anything).
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08:38 < rhowe> avemestr: Yep, that looks right to me - if you had assigned an address to em2 you wouldn't need to specify 'up' but if you don't want it to have an address then that looks correct to me
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10:11 < Voyager_MP> Hi, can I run XDMCP Server on 7.4 ? 
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10:36 < vortexx> Voyager_MP: yes, the manpages mention it. It should be the same as any system except you need to make sure pf isn't blocking the 6000-6010/tcp ports (the stock pf.conf does this)
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14:54 < sukamu> Is there any way to disable the login at tty? My cat usually rests at the laptop's keyboard and types random shit, and if we follow the Monkey Type Theory, my cat will eventually successful login as root one day.
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14:54 < IcePic> sukamu: removing entries from /etc/ttys would make the console un-inloggable
14:55 < sukamu> But it would still possible to login with ssh right?
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14:59 < IcePic> sukamu: yes
14:59 < IcePic> those would be the "network" entries 
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15:09 < ox1eef_> Do snapshots have security fixes incorporated ? Or is there more to it ? 
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15:10 < sukamu> thanks
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15:14 < IcePic> ox1eef_: they have
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15:20 < ox1eef_> Ty
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15:25 < brynet> ox1eef_: Not just security fixes, snapshots exactly what the name indicates, snapshots of -current development tree made available.
15:25 < ox1eef_> +1
15:25 < sibiria> brace yourself. it can be a bumpy ride
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15:28 < eea> sanity check please... is my weekly(ish) syspatch schedule excessive between releases?
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15:31 < ox1eef_> Yeah, tbh I have been holding off on grabbing a snapshot since the change to system calls. It sounds like that has the potential to break a lot of packages. 
15:32 < sibiria> eea: no? why even let it go that long?
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15:33 < sibiria> no harm in checking every day or two
15:33 < eea> sibiria: thank you for that. it was my suspicion that my schedule was not excessive enough :)
15:33 < brynet> ox1eef_: so stick with -current, wait for the next release.
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15:33 < brynet> err- release.
15:34 < vortexx> most of the syspatches are reliability fixes these days, although yesterday's a security one and for ssh at that
15:39 < ox1eef_> brynet: I started to use snapshots for access to the freshest packages. ungoogled-chromium on -stable was far behind what -current had.
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15:45 < phy1729> eea: subscribe to the announce list and apply when you get an email
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15:48 < eea> phy1729: that is a capital idea, thank you!
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15:55 < vortexx> if you have a more than one openbsd system you may as well have a local mirror on your lan for syspatches and check daily off an upstream mirror
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15:57 < thrig> mmm consistent builds
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16:04 < pardis> "more than one" is a low bar to set for that
16:04 < pardis> if you have two OpenBSD systems, the overhead of using one of them as a mirror and the maintenance requirements thereof are almost certainly excessive
16:04 < pardis> if you have 10 or 20, then maybe it's worthwhile
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16:24 < phy1729> The CDNs work well for stable anyway
16:24 < thrig> except when broken, but that can be fixed by picking different mirrors until something work
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16:28 < sibiria> fixed server url 4 lyfe
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17:26 < seninha> SeaMonkey unbroken!!!! LETSGO!!!!
17:27 < seninha> (and also updated!)
17:28 < seninha> just a few minutes on new version and I already like it: underscore is now part of word in URL bar... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page^W now deletes "Main_Page" entirely (previously it only deleted "Page")
17:29 < thrig> catching up to vi from the 1970s
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19:15 < spo0n> do you have any recommendations for WM / DE? I'll be mainly using a browser on a large screen so something simple that can be used without a mouse would be prefered. mayhaps even a kiosk
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19:15 < metavoid> i3
19:16 < metavoid> there are tons of similar though
19:16 < betabug> cwm
19:16 < metavoid> depends how primitive you want to go :p
19:16 < betabug> don't even need to install anything
19:16 < metavoid> Fvwm, dont even need to configure anything!
19:17 < metavoid> although, it will drive you mad
19:17 < spo0n> i3 would be the easy option as I run sway on my "main" machine
19:18 < spo0n> hence not the one I'll be using :V
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19:18 < myappie> Nice
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19:18 < betabug> again, cwm is in base
19:18 < myappie> Looks like I can make www.uib.no an official OpenBSD mirror
19:19 < myappie> Exciting times ahead
19:19 < spo0n> guess I'll at least see if I like it even if it is apparently a floating wm
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21:27 < meena> okay, still working on this port, https://codeberg.org/meena/openbsd-ports/src/branch/add/cloud-init/sysutils/cloud-init i temporarily switched to my own cloud-init fork, just so i can test all patches, but the patches don't fetch: https://gist.github.com/igalic/b6b810117264b25df3601eb1bf570210 which makes sense, those aren't patches on top of that
21:27 < meena> tag, they are patches on top of main
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21:37 < meena> okay, i need to set SITES.github
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21:45 < nature> Good evening folks, I've been looking around online for a bit and it seems there is no way to run a 32bit executable on an amd64 openbsd. And the only way would probably be a 32bit vm in vmm or qemu, but only vmm benefits from hardware acceleration right?
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21:51 < meena> it's done! my first OpenBSD port: https://codeberg.org/meena/openbsd-ports/src/branch/add/cloud-init/sysutils/cloud-init
21:51 < meena> after the holidays i can get on fixing all test failures, and when the new release rolls around, we can drop all these patches
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22:34 < meena> hrm, make install does not do what I thought it would do: https://gist.github.com/igalic/526449c1cc56b66ccfc787a7546d312a (on FreeBSD it just installs the package)
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22:36 < uwharrie> This isn't FreeBSD. If it's already installed, you likely want the `reinstall` target
22:39 < meena> uwharrie: it's not installed.
22:39 < meena> i want to install cloud-init, from my locally built port.
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22:40 < meena> I should probably fetch and install the dependencies first, and then figure out the rest
22:40 < uwharrie> then it sounds like something in your dependency chain failed to correctly declare a dependency and you're getting multiple copies of /usr/local/bin/jsonpointer installed
22:41 < meena> it's from the same package, but the checksum differs
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22:43 < uwharrie> so you're saying textproc/py-jsonpointer is trying to install the same file twice?
22:43 < meena> i don't know what i'm saying, mate
22:43 < meena> I've only been doing this for a week now, and not very good.
22:44 < meena> I usually work over there *points at #freebsd*
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22:44 < meena> (also, please imagine me saying mate in Bluey's dad's voice.)
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22:45 < thrig> who?
22:46 < uwharrie> bluey, from blues clues, the show about the big red dog
22:46 < meena> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1NGvcpPiw24
22:47 < meena> anyway, time for bed, by which i probably mean, time to do all the things i've put off that I need to do before i can goto bed.
22:47 < meena> I'll try again tomorrow.
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22:48 < meena> I sure hope I get this done by the time the next cloud-init release is ready… which means I only have 3 months time.
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