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00:56 < SNAX_74> Can you tell me why init 0 does not shutdown the OPENBSD system ?
00:59 < thrig> because there's no code for that
01:01 < SNAX_74> thrig, Whats the fastest way to shutdown openbsd from the terminal ?
01:01 < SNAX_74> shutdown /s doesn't work
01:02 < thrig> I have a script that at the end does an exec doas shutdown -p now
01:02 < sibiria> shutdown -p now
01:03 < SNAX_74> this works - >  $ doas sysctl hw.allowpowerdown=1
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01:54 < rnkn> I'm guessing that dump(8) is not going to be good for doing incremental backups of pg database dumps?
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02:01 < phy1729> I'm pretty sure pg has it's own tool for backups
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02:02 < thrig> presumably that's where the dumps came from?
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02:09 < rnkn> I mean that after I've done pg_dump, if I understand currently how dump(8) works, the resulting db dump will be backed up in its entirely every day
02:09 < rnkn> when I'd prefer incremental backups
02:10 < rnkn> s/currently/correctly
02:11 < phy1729> Looks like there's WAL archiving, but that's a pg channel question on specifics for that.
02:12 < rnkn> yeah I think I'd prefer pg_dump backups
02:13 < rnkn> from what I understand, dump(8) looks at /etc/dumpdates and includes a file if it has been modified since the last lower dump level
02:14 < thrig> or see if something like restic can do sensible things with postgres somehow
02:14 < rnkn> yeah I'm thinking restic is probably the better choice
02:14 < rnkn> I just wanted to be cool and use things in base
02:14 < rnkn> maybe I'm just not cool
02:16 < thrig> postgres, also, isn't in base
02:16 < rnkn> good point
02:16 < rnkn> postgres indirectly depends on xz, which is how I came to think xz was in base
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02:17 < rnkn> (I've already been schooled wrt that)
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02:38 < ssm_> gcc is in base, therefore openbsd is actually gnu/openbsd
02:39 < oldlaptop> (only on the cool arches)
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03:16 < rnkn> cron does not source .profile, correct?
03:17 < thrig> make .profile write to a file, and write a cron job that runs something soon
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03:34 < rnkn> thrig: confirmed!
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08:39 < Zyxer> GNU/OpenBSD. Since when did fishes befriend gnus? 
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09:13 < ludovicus> huh what
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09:51 < mesaoptimizer> so doom emacs does not seem to load the doom config file by default
09:51 < mesaoptimizer> I'm unsure what is going on here
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10:07 < mesaoptimizer> never mind, I've decided to start off using vanilla emacs and write my own config
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10:32 < avemestr> Seems like a doomed endeavour.
10:36 < jca> or the start of a looong journey
10:36 < jca> mesaoptimizer: emacs --debug-init
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10:57 < meorly> i'm trying to get emacs to indent paragraphs by first line only, but the indent functions dont seem to like it, not even in paragraph-indent-text-mode
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10:57 < meorly> any suggestions beside writing a custom mode?
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11:02 < meorly> wait wrong channel 
11:02 < meorly> sorry
11:02 < meorly> derp
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12:34 < betabug> ?
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14:04 < avemestr> bsund: Officially?
14:05 < bsund> mostly drunk
14:06 < bsund> happy waymas
14:06 < avemestr> The old advice still applies: Don't drink and IRC.
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14:07 < bsund> you got any driver?
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14:08 < bsund> probably ported
14:10 < bsund> this is not me pub
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16:13 < mesaoptimizer> avemestr: hah, I stopped after an hour! https://git.sr.ht/~mesaoptimizer/emacs-config
16:14 < mesaoptimizer> I've spent years using doom emacs on and off, which is why it took just an hour to get me a comfy emacs setup
16:14 < mesaoptimizer> also I haven't been programming much lately
16:15 < mesaoptimizer> also, I did notice this was the #openbsd channel, I just was confused because doom emacs just worked on my Arch setups, and it didn't on OpenBSD
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16:21 < avemestr> mesaoptimizer: Time to look into vim!
16:28 < mesaoptimizer> avemestr: oh, I was using vim for the past few days, but the UX of the terminal (alacritty) and vim's formatting of the markdown text I was writing, made me feel averse to using this workflow in comparison to my Kindle Scribes
16:28 < mesaoptimizer> And I really wanted to stop using my Kindle Scribes to read and write
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16:31 < Halian> mesaoptimizer: what's a Kindle Scribes? this is the first I've heard of it
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16:34 < mesaoptimizer> Halian: It is a Kindle launched last year (IIRC) that allows you to write in it. The screen is ~10 inches and A4 pages look pretty readable. You can annotate PDFs, and also write in digital notebooks.
16:35 < Halian> Oh nice
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18:29 < Vuokko> stupid question: Does firefox still have some wayland library issue in -current?
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18:45 < ivdsangen> i had a previous issue with firefox and wayland libraries, not so now, firefox runs well
18:45 < bountyht> Vuokko: I think it is working again
18:45 < bountyht> with no issues
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18:54 < Vuokko> nice to hear. I'll sysupgrade my laptop after I've fixed my linux desktop.
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21:58 < Jaywalker> Hey all, anyone have any good resources on optimizing my pf rules?
21:59 < Jaywalker> and while I'm asking, anyone have any good recommendations on hardware? I'm currently running a PCEngines APU4d4
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22:03 < sibiria> i really like the odroid h3
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22:22 < Jaywalker> sibiria: yeah, 2GHz is better than the  1GHz I have
22:23 < Jaywalker> I'm given to understand that pf is locked to a single core so faster single core speeds are better than multicore
22:23 < Jaywalker> so that's better
22:23 < sibiria> not only the clock frequency, but also some 2-3 generations newer CPU
22:23 < Jaywalker> And I like the 2.5Gbit ethernet ports!
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22:24 < Jaywalker> I suppose they're well supported by OpenBSD? I don't see it saying what they are specifically
22:24 < Jaywalker> ah, there it is: Realtek RTL8125B
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22:26 < sibiria> openbsd runs well on it
22:27 < sibiria> network performance is excellent
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22:28 < Jaywalker> how big is your ruleset?
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22:29 < sibiria> mine? not very large or complicated. basic router setup
22:29 < Jaywalker> mine is 392 rules per pfctl -s rules | wc -l
22:29 < sibiria> sounds very complex
22:30 < Jaywalker> hence me asking about optimizaiton too :P
22:31 < Jaywalker> It is reasonably complex, but I expect at least somewhat more than necessary
22:31 < sibiria> you'd have to pastebin the set, or specific parts of it, and people here might chime in
22:31 < sibiria> or just ask
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22:42 < Jaywalker> Yeah, Its complex enough that I wouldnt really ask someone to understand it and help debug it for free.. but if there are guides on optimizing them, I can read them and ask questions where I need to
22:43 < Jaywalker> I do weird things like set unbound to point domains to non-existant IPs so that I can redirect them to an IP/port and have multiple services running on the same server
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22:50 < sibiria> i don't know of any free online guides. i only know of The Book of PF, though i don't really know much about its contents
22:51 < codermattie> the book of pf is pretty useful
22:51 < codermattie> you can get the kindle for cheap
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22:58 < ThJevekNC> Hello !
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22:58 < ThJevekNC> Is it the right place to ask for some help on a my pf config
22:58 < ThJevekNC> i am quite the noob on this
22:58 < phy1729> Are you running OpenBSD?
22:58 < ThJevekNC> yes
22:59 < phy1729> Then yes
22:59 < ThJevekNC> Wonderfull then
22:59 < ThJevekNC> So i have this config that work fine -> http://termbin.com/vzyz its for a school project
22:59 < ThJevekNC> i need to be able to access any other network from the em2 subnet
22:59 < ThJevekNC> ssh ect..
23:00 < ThJevekNC> but i tried a bunch of things and i cannot get it to work
23:01 < ThJevekNC> also i need to be able to limit between em3 and em1 to only be able to do http and https
23:01 < ThJevekNC> if you need any more info tell me
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23:03 < sibiria> Jaywalker: this is a free and open community, not an enterprise. if you need assistance this is the place to ask. someone might be able to help
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23:03 < Jaywalker> ThJevekNC: Well, one thing I noticed, your match rules are early. I'm certainly no expert, but I do know that once that match rule is applied, the IPs from THERE ON OUT only match according to the IP that you've NAT'd to
23:04 < ThJevekNC> mmh to the match rules should be lower ?
23:04 < Jaywalker> sibiria: sure, but I have limits of how much I'll ask people to do for free lol
23:04 < codermattie> clear
23:04 < Jaywalker> ThJevekNC: It wouldn't hurt to put them at the end I think
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23:05 < Jaywalker> Like I said, i didn't fully dig in, but I know that caused me issues when I first setup my PF rules
23:05 < ThJevekNC> alright ! but this is working fine i got no issue with icmp and nat to work
23:05 < ThJevekNC> just i cannot for my life find the right rule to allow http and https between em3 and em1
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23:05 < ThJevekNC> em1 is the webserver and em3 should be the consumer
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23:06 < codermattie> It might be more clear if you used more descriptive macro names
23:07 < ThJevekNC>  sure i just have not gotten to it yet
23:07 < ThJevekNC> i would like think to work first but i can understand that it might be unclear
23:08 < ThJevekNC> i am going to clean it a bit
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23:13 < ThJevekNC> okay so here is the new paste :
23:13 < ThJevekNC> a bit cleaned up with macro (i am not sure they are perfect yet)
23:13 < ThJevekNC> https://pastebin.com/1zGKze4S
23:13 < ThJevekNC> what i would like to work is this line at least :
23:13 < ThJevekNC> pass in on server_if proto tcp from admin_if:network to server_if port 80
23:13 < ThJevekNC> if i understand right this should allow http between the server and admin
23:14 < ThJevekNC> but this does not seems to work as of yet
23:16 < pardis> is there a reason you changed $ext_if to ext_if (and other removals of $)?
23:17 < ThJevekNC> might just be type i did ctrl shift f to change them to make it clearer
23:17 < ThJevekNC> they might not be perfect rule
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23:26 < ThJevekNC> i mean perfect macro
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