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03:15 < jtbx> having a strange issue right now, when I type on my keyboard I can see my mouse moving and different characters sometimes appear. anyone know if there's a workaround for this?
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07:11 < meorly> that kinda sounds like a dead battery in a wireless keyboard
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07:21 < avemestr> Jaywalker: I switched to a shallow-depth 1U Supermicro unit for my routing/firewalling needs. A lot more power-hungry (60W Xeon compared to the 10W Celeron in the Odroid H3 (and the 6W or so APU2)) though.
07:24 < avemestr> It has four 1GBe ports supported by the em driver, two 10GBe ports supported by the ixl driver, and two 10GB SFP+ ports supported by the ixl driver as well.
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08:34 < ThJevekNC> Hello its me again !
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09:02 < Zyxer> Hello you
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09:18 < Voyager_MP> I like to filter syslog events to a diffrent file 
09:18 < Voyager_MP> the keyword should be FIREWALL 
09:18 < Voyager_MP> Dec 22 10:17:56 vh-c.core.nsas.de vh-c kernel: [2577442.433754] FIREWALL:net2fw:DROP:IN=vmbr0
09:19 < Voyager_MP> ++*FIREWALL** *.*                             /var/log/firewall 
09:19 < Voyager_MP> does not work, if I change that to vh-c, it works. Why ?
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09:24 < betabug> I read that as FIREBALL ... it was way more funny
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09:26 < dlg> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3164#section-4.1.2
09:26 < dlg> The Domain Name MUST NOT be included in the HOSTNAME field
09:27 < dlg> maybe
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09:29 < dlg> syslog is abused, so it's annoying if the implementation is strict about this
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11:36 < nature> If I want to use xnotify (and for that I need the display) in an rc script, what is the best way to go about this?
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11:38 < IcePic> nature: isn't there things like x2x which could produce a "fake" display that you can attach/detach from?
11:39 < nature> I mean I want xnotify to send the notification on my actual display
11:39 < nature> I just want xnotify to be called from an rc script
11:40 < nature> thus I can control if I want to stop the service displaying notifications
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11:55 < nature> Ok, I figured it out, I had to overrid rc_start and declare "DISPLAY=:0" right after rc_exec
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12:07 < inky> my friend wrote his own xnotify. because he uses dwm and xnotify opens very big window there. so he wrote the xnotify like thing which only opens over other windows and is small. and it fades away.
12:07 < inky> let me find it.
12:07 < inky> yeah, this is it: https://github.com/vgratian/xnotify
12:08 < Zyxer> Thanks for sharing, interesting. I never used any notification thing because they have worked anoying for me. 
12:08 < Zyxer> Also I went to dwm
12:08 < inky> he wrote it because he uses mcabber and never notices xmpp messages he receives.
12:08 < inky> so he is able to connect it to mcabber and get notified.
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15:59 < harpia> Can't open https://man.openbsd.org/. Timeout. Anyone else?
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16:03 < lumidify> harpia: Scheduled maintenance.
16:03 < uwharrie> planned maintenance
16:03 < lumidify> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170301839017559&w=
16:04 < harpia> Ah, I thought this kind of event would be announced on the "announce" list.
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18:05 < harpia> What do you suggest for quickly sending emails from shell scripts? Creating a Gmail or Microsoft account just for that, setting up your own mail server, or something else? Authenticating with your main Google or Microsoft account nowadays is complicated, to say the least.
18:06 < harpia> It's for administration purposes. An email would warn me, for example, that the last backup failed.
18:06 < nedko> have a public ip, setup a new domain, if you bulk but spam, get the resulting score
18:06 < thrig> it was ugh and full of bloat, but you can wire up gmail auth for mutt to some cloud authenticator thingymabobber
18:06 < nedko> or do it with private ip
18:09 < thrig> granted, gmail was adept at putting all the openbsd mailing list traffic into the spam folder, and no amount of moving messages to the inbox cured it of that habit
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18:25 < xse> there has to be free mail providers that are not hard to auth to, i had no issue with either riseup or the gandi dns mail stuff. doing the smtpd.conf relay to one of my mailbox, a ~/.forward to get cron failure/update logs/security(8) stuff and for shell scripts commands like mail/sendmail are already there
18:27 < Zyxer> Fuck google mail services and microsoft mail services. Monopoly and they do their best to stop independent mail services. Most companies use microsoft email services so @company.name is usually some microsoft related shit. ISPs probably use microsoft as well for their mail services but I am unsure about that part.
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18:31 < metavoid> harpia: I use sendgrid for that
18:32 < metavoid> either using smtp or rest api (curl)
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18:42 < sibiria> harpia: protonmail allows for smtp use, but only for paid users
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18:43 < sibiria> and i'd wager they are trustworthy, compared to google and microsoft
18:43 < sibiria> smtp relay from openbsd is very simple to configure
18:43 < sibiria> posteo.de is also a good and reliable service, costing even less than protonmail
18:44 < sibiria> €10 per year or so
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18:47 < harpia> Thanks for the suggestions. I use Proton Mail, but the paid plans are too expensive here in the "third world".
18:48 < sibiria> posteo might be for you then. i don't think there is a cheaper service, and they are very reliable
18:48 < xse> https://www.autistici.org/services/mail maybe worth a try
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18:53 < sysfu> Zyxer, the consolidation in the email world sucks, I feel your pain.
18:54 < sysfu> I've been using mailjet for SMTP deliverability. 
18:54 < sysfu> It's free under 200 emails per time period, forget exactly what it is.
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19:06 < Zyxer> I am on autistici atm. but I lost trust in them
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19:06 < sibiria> what happened?
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19:11 < Zyxer> sibiria: They added weird things to the manifesto. But it seems they removed the weird things 
19:12 < Zyxer> Since they removed it I don't think it is fair of me to say what it was. Perhaps they changed. 
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19:14 < sibiria> they certainly come off as opinionated... to use a very mild and flattering description
19:15 < Zyxer> Yes, and opinionated is okay, can even be a good thing that causes motivation, but they removed some thing that is imo unacceptable. 
19:17 < Zyxer> Partially a good thing anyway, makes them less susceptible to government or big tech corporation, if the opinionated aspect is genuin
19:17 < sibiria> they are clearly political activists
19:17 < Zyxer> They removed those parts, no?
19:18 < sibiria> the language and bullet points of their manifesto says it all
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19:18 < sibiria> and being political activists means they are anything but neutral
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19:20 < Zyxer> https://www.autistici.org/who/manifesto
19:21 < Zyxer> Yea well, why would I want a neutral email provider? That's a bad thing
19:21 < Zyxer> They removed the bad stance, that was a security risk, they had before
19:22 < Zyxer> Neutral email provider will just follow the money. 
19:22 < phy1729> please get back to OpenBSD
19:22 < Zyxer> Sorry.
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20:05 < ssm_> autistici.org is on my dns blacklist, fancy that
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20:35 < lil_lasagna> https://man.openbsd.org/ is down for everyone, right?
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20:37 < phy1729> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170301839017559&w=
20:42 < sysfu> lil_lasagna, yes, down from my connection as well as here https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/man.openbsd.org?proto=https
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20:47 < metavoid> wouldn't had hurt with a little sign on the page about maintenance, My whole enterprise depends on that site being online.
20:48 < thrig> whoops?
20:49 < phy1729> I would assume there isn't any equiptment online to serve said little sign
20:51 < codermattie> a raspberry pi could do it
20:51 < sibiria> "the foundation has no money for that"
20:52 < metavoid> re-directing the dns record to a potato webserver would be ideal
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21:06 < nologin> any link or advise for a (new) low-power obsd desktop hw config? thanks in advance… p.s.: i'm tired to compare intel with amd and read about hw-accel video playback on arm64… sorry…
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21:19 < codermattie> I just realized that having the lid closed power down the laptop is actually a good security idea, just close the lid and everything goes away
21:21 < codermattie> is there a reason why named is called isc_named instead of named? is there a bsd alternative?
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21:26 < avemestr> nologin: I've had good experience with ASUS PN51 and PN42.
21:26 < avemestr> (Mind, there's a gazillion variations hidden below those product names)
21:26 < metavoid> codermattie: nsd is included in base,  if you consider a completely different software as an alternative
21:26 < codermattie> I keep running into lockfile issues which has prevented me from using ports for a long time, where are the lockfiles stored?
21:27 < brynet> codermattie: bind (henced named) used to be in base before nsd/unbound replace it.
21:29 < nologin> avemestr, thanks… seems that i'mcompletely lost in modern hw…
21:30 < sibiria> nologin: odroid h3 is very low-power and competent
21:30 < sibiria> i find myself recommending this piece of hardware for every purpose
21:30 < sibiria> it also slices and toasts bread
21:31 < nologin> sibiria, how about GL and video hw-accel (mpv and 3d cad stuff)?
21:31 < metavoid> sibiria even forced me to buy one 
21:31 < metavoid> 3-4 days to sweden from south korea
21:32 < metavoid> very satisfied with the hw
21:32 < sibiria> nologin: openbsd doesn't do any video hw-acceleration, but the intel igpu in it should be supported by openbsd's drm port
21:32 < sibiria> though it's a modern celeron. it's pretty snappy
21:32 < nologin> thanks, will point the mark
21:32 < sibiria> should be able to decode most stuff at decent bitrate without problems
21:34 < codermattie> man I cant get rid of these lock issues
21:34 < codermattie> I cant build cmake
21:34 < codermattie> or anything, for like a year
21:34 < codermattie> how do I break the locks
21:34 < codermattie> is there a force option?
21:34 < metavoid> make clean
21:34 < codermattie> did it
21:34 < codermattie> still broken
21:35 < metavoid> did you grab ports that matches your openbsd flavour?
21:35 < metavoid> I didn't, had had problems for months building cmake :P
21:35 < nologin> codermattie, rm -rf /usr/ports and get'em from mirrors
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21:36 < codermattie> its the same one Ive had
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21:36 < codermattie> it used to build but then I ran out of space because bsd slices the shit out of the drive
21:36 < nologin> sibiria, mpv here does quite nice hw-accel (local build)
21:37 < phy1729> codermattie: why are you building from ports rather than using packages?
21:37 < sibiria> nologin: how? openbsd has no vaapi/vdpau support. did you manage to build your own?
21:37 < nologin> codermattie, yeah, dump all to / and have a nice day :))
21:37 < nologin> sibiria, sure
21:37 < nologin> :))
21:37 < sibiria> against what gpu?
21:37 < metavoid> codermattie: are you on stable or current?
21:38 < codermattie> stable
21:38 < metavoid> and you have syspatched and fetched the latest ports from stable?
21:38 < nologin> intel integrated hd or uhd
21:38 < metavoid> and not from cvs
21:38 < codermattie> Im patched
21:38 < codermattie> I thought ports got upgraded with sysupgrade
21:38 < metavoid> nono
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21:39 < metavoid> you have to fetch it manually
21:39 < codermattie> isnt there a make update or something?\
21:39 < phy1729> Why are you using ports?
21:39 < codermattie> because there is a ton of stuff that isnt in openbsd
21:39 < phy1729> Sure, but there's packages for that
21:39 < sibiria> nologin: well, then you should be able to get the same from the odroid h3. it's a modern celeron with all the bells and whistles
21:39 < metavoid> using ports is fun!
21:39 < codermattie> shells, security tools, recent versions of packages
21:40 < metavoid> just grab https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/ports.tar.gz
21:40 < codermattie> oh really? zsh bash?
21:40 < phy1729> pkg_add zsh
21:40 < codermattie> burpsuite?
21:40 < nologin> sibiria, thx!
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21:40 < codermattie> wpscan
21:40 < metavoid> packages are built from sports, so cover most of them
21:40 < phy1729> pkg_info -Q burp
21:40 < metavoid> ports*
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21:40 < metavoid> https://openbsd.app/?search=burp
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21:41 < codermattie> It said not found for burpsuite
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21:41 < phy1729> Oh right burp you do have to build because licensing reasons iirc
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21:42 < codermattie> since bsd doesnt like gpl there is a lot that has to be built from ports
21:42 < metavoid> codermattie: just follow https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html
21:43 < phy1729> gpl isn't the reason
21:43 < phy1729> bash is GPL and packaged
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21:43 < codermattie> I just know a lot of security tools were in ports
21:44 < metavoid> just search with pkg_info -Q
21:44 < metavoid> etc
21:45 < avemestr> codermattie: What tools are you missing that isn't available as packages?
21:46 < nologin> pkg_add  pkglocatedb  && pkglocate whatever you need
21:46 < nologin> wpscan and several versions of burp - all packaged btw
21:47 < codermattie> I would have to look, I havent used this machine in a while
21:47 < phy1729> that's the wrong burp
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21:47 < nologin> ok
21:47 < phy1729> security/burpsuite is    PERMIT_PACKAGE =        https://portswigger.net/burp/eula/community
21:47 < codermattie> Im trying to rehabiltate it
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21:48 < codermattie> I didnt have room for it on my desk and x11 over ssh is garbage
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21:50 < codermattie> Im trying a fresh ports download now\
21:51 < metavoid> you should be able to do pkg_add cmake to speed things like this up
21:51 < metavoid> so you don't have to build it first
21:51 < codermattie> thats a good idea
21:53 < sonya> codermattie, ports should tie to the base system you're in.. fresh ports are in -current, or local build from sources with (optional) patches from ports is the way to get bleeding edge..
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21:54 < codermattie> Open Source is always the bleeding edge, I just want the packages I cant get through pkg_add
21:55 < phy1729> Only ports that have weird distribution/licensing should need to be built from ports; nearly everything is packaged
21:55 < phy1729> But you cannot mix stable base and current ports
21:55 < sonya> and yes, all (prerequirements) that could be installed from pkg_add - better install from pkg_add to save time and power
21:59 < codermattie> well I have a build running so thanks for the help!
21:59 < codermattie> I thought ports got updated with syspatch
21:59 < codermattie> and sysupgrade
22:00 < metavoid> ports is an optional "add on"
22:01 < codermattie> now I know
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22:41 < moviuro> Hi all, I currently have curl-8.4.0 on my system. In crontab(5), I'd like to have a command send me an email if there are updates available. At best, that command should also cache archives of new versions so it can be installed instantly when I choose. I thought /usr/sbin/pkg_add -un|grep -v quirks # would do the trick, but it doesn't (no output, ever). Is there a way to do what I'm trying to do?
22:42 < metavoid> if you are running stable, there are barely any updates to patckages
22:42 < metavoid> packages*
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22:42 < moviuro> welp, there is one for curl now
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22:54 < moviuro> ~       0~4     *       *       *       /usr/sbin/pkg_add -unI|/usr/bin/grep 'Adding' # should do the trick. Let's check tomorrow
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23:36 < codermattie> anyone run into the problem where you can lookup a host by nslookup or dig but ssh says name or service not known in a config shortcut?
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23:53 < osal91> the line "[ -f ~/.Xresources ] && xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" in .xsession prevents the sourcing of .profile and .kshrc even if .Xresources is an empty file. Can anyone help me?
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23:54 < osal91> if i remove the file or the line the files are sourced
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