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09:49 < meorly> sharing filesystems between machines is often a bad idea
09:49 < meorly> s/machines/operating systems/
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10:16 < enrh> Enter the reason I'm the same UID on all my systems
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10:22 < oldlaptop> because unixoid installers tend to give you 1000 by default?
10:22  * oldlaptop flees
10:24 < meorly> in this sense NTFS tokens are more tenable, but sharing files over a network is not the same thing as sharing filesystems between operating systems
10:26 < quinq> I don't have much problems sharing files over sftp (sshfs)
10:27 < enrh> oldlaptop: Yeah, but that 1000 user I create during autoinstall is used for Ansible and not myself
10:29 < quinq> But what?
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10:32 < meorly> ansible irritates me
10:32 < meorly> it works
10:32 < meorly> but it irritates me
10:32 < oldlaptop> anything that uses yaml is at the very least irritating, and usually worse
10:33 < oldlaptop> even xml would be less bad
10:33 < quinq> agreed
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10:35 < pardis> the best use of yaml I've yet seen is for gitlab jobs, in which you provide your automation as a yaml array of shell scripts
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10:49 < quinq> ^^
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10:57 < meorly> I wonder what ansible would look and feel like if it was written in scheme
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11:09 < zyxer> Merry Christmas!
11:10  * merry christmas, zyxer 
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11:15 < enrh> Honestly I'm a fan of YAML, and use it as my config syntax for all my projects
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11:15 < enrh> However the C syntax config files like ISC have for BIND/DHCPD are nice too
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11:18 < enrh> pf.conf, tons of stuff
11:19 < tercaL> zyxer: merry christmas
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12:07 < quinq> zyxer, you too :)
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12:15 < eau> r er er e
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15:07 < zyxer> :)
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15:25 < Ellenor> it's the mother of all mondays
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15:30 < thrig> don't think the mother of all storms worked out
15:30 < zyxer> wat
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15:49 < Maddie> (Talking about pf) Does it make sense to "match out on $INTERFACE inet nat-to $IP4"? Would that nat all packets sent to $INTERFACE to the $IP4 ip? Because that doesn't seem to be working in pratice.  Would I have to change match to pass? I must be reloading incorrectly or something cuz I aint getting it. 
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15:54 < Lucas6023> Maddie: asuming that $INTERFACE is your internal interface and $IP4 belongs to your external interface, then yes
15:55 < Maddie> Yes $INTERFACE is tun0 and $IP4 is the VPSes external IP.
15:56 < Lucas6023> you might need to exclude the native traffic the tunnel
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15:56 < Lucas6023> but, that setup seems to be quite different from a normal router use case
15:57 < Maddie> I only use variables because I'm too lazy to copy paste but in reality I hard coded it so it actually looks like "match out on tun0 inet nat-to 38.87.162.147", this I copy pasted it because it feals importent to be very precise, IDK why I didn't the first time.
15:57 < Lucas6023> it's probably best if you describe your whole setup and not only the part that doesn't work
15:57 < Maddie> Its OpenVPN.
15:57 < Maddie> I can provide configs if thats easier.
15:58 < Lucas6023> but what is what you want to achieve?
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15:59 < Maddie> I want tun0's outbound traffic to be nat translated to my servers regular IP. 
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16:02 < Lucas6023> I believe you don't need any NAT to make tun0's outbound traffic to use the tunnel
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16:10 < Maddie> Lucas6023: When I tell curl to bind to tun0 (tested both on the server and vpn client) packets aren't going thru.  Same is true for ping.
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16:51 < zmoment> Hi, I'm trying to install a 7.4 img to an Intel machine with integrated graphic unit.
16:51 < zmoment> I can't see the last line (or maybe two lines) of the output of the install procedure, so cannot know what I should answer.
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16:52 < zmoment> Is there a way to avoid this behavior?
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16:56 < avemestr> You're using some kind of remote kvm?
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17:00 < thrig> a) instead use serial line b) install in parallel on another machine and copy the responses c) setup autoinstall d) external monitor? e) other
17:04 < CosmicDJ> zmoment: or just google for openbsd 7.4 install? https://wiki.ircnow.org/index.php?n=Openbsd.Install74
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17:48 < quinq> Hola :)
17:49 < quinq> Is there a daemon (or other facility) that can be used to watch the state of an interface?
17:49 < quinq> Goal is to run a script when an interface goes up
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17:49 < quinq> (want to notify when PPPoE is renewed and my ISP gives a new IP)
17:50 < uwharrie> quinq: like ifstated(8)?
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17:50 < quinq> uwharrie, kind of exactly like that :>
17:51 < quinq> Thank you
17:51 < nature> Merry Christmas all! I am back with my second question from yesterday, what am I exposing myself too if I want to share OpenBSD's home partition with NetBSD?
17:51 < thrig> who knows, you would need to find someone who has used both OS and has tried to share the filesystems
17:51 < quinq> :>
17:52 < quinq> nature, that'd depend a lot on the software that is configured from your home
17:52 < nature> Is there anyone like that here? :)
17:52 < quinq> ie mismatching versions with potential incompatible features
17:52 < quinq> Otherwise, on the base system itself, I'd say it should work without problem
17:52 < nature> oooh, but I mean in terms of fs
17:52 < thrig> the easy thing to do would be to try it and see what happens
17:53 < quinq> Ahhh, right :)
17:53 < quinq> Don't know :/
17:53 < nature> I think NetBSD would still have a home of itself, just a few GB, but share the data
17:54 < nature> But the software config didn't even occur to me, thanks for pointing this out
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17:55 < nature> I am mostly worried that if I have the fstab entry on NetBSD and an fsck occurs at boot that I'll lose all my data...
17:55 < thrig> testing with test virts comes to mind
17:55 < sibiria> instruct the fstab to not run fsck on the label
17:56 < sibiria> that's the second of the two digits at the end of the label spec. set it to 0 and it will be ignored
17:58 < nature> sibiria: That's an excellent point!!
18:00 < nature> thrig: I am too impatient to setup a lab and try things out thouroughly... Especially since I'll probably forget testing the specific case that will blow up my data
18:01 < nature> Any other footguns comes to mind in sharing an ffs partition between OpenBSD and NetBSD?
18:03 < thrig> if you're impatient, then why do you have time to waste time on chat
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18:07 < nature> I am too impatient to setup a lab, I am patient enough to interact with peers on IRC :D
18:08 < nature> Also virtualizing netbsd in vmm doesn't work, I tried...
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18:08 < nature> so let's blame the technology instead of myself
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18:13 < avemestr> It just sounds unreasonably risky what you're doing.
18:14 < nature> oh. I am all ears
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18:19 < nature> What are some risks that you foresee? besides fsck, any way that an operation could corrupt most of my data?
18:20 < thrig> lots
18:20 < nature> any examples?
18:21 < nature> no need to go too much in details, I just have some trouble imagining it, my intuition is letting me down here
18:22 < thrig> nope. time for some elbow grease
18:24 < nature> Any pointers at where to look at least?
18:25 < zmoment> thrig, none of those options are suitable.   a) don't know how. b) installation questions may differ depending on context; c) partitions of smaller size than what I want d) already using external monitor
18:26 < zmoment> e) other, yes I tried to find something as to write 'boot -c' and then disable inteldrm
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18:26 < jrmu> When I email misc@openbsd.org, all my mail fails DMARC checks; I set _dmarc.ircnow.org to have the text "v=DMARC1;p=quarantine;pct=0;fo=1;rua=mailto:postmaster@ircnow.org;ruf=mailto:postmaster@ircnow.org"   I'm not sure how to check with DKIM/SPF while still allowing mailing lists to forward properly; I tried quarantine pct=0, but apparently that is not working
18:26 < zmoment> but when doing 'boot -c' the graphics changed already from the big font to a small and screen centered display.
18:33 < metavoid> zmoment: do you have any options on the monitor to manipulate the image with? or change to some other connector
18:33 < metavoid> maybe it just have some problems detecting the signal correctly or whatever
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18:37 < zmoment> It's only display port, two ports, already checked both.  Don't have an option to some 'auto' adjustment as others, only a wide or normal option, but both hide the last line.
18:37 < zmoment> If there was an option to keep the 80x24 or 80x40 line display would be nice.
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20:13 < Maddie> jrmu: What do you mean your DMARC checks fail? Your DMARC looks fine to me.
20:13 < jrmu> when I sent it to misc@openbsc.org, openbsd's mailing list tries to forward mail on my behalf, and DMARC checks fail for it because it's not a whitelisted IP
20:13 < thrig> maybe the keys are setup wrongly so messages aren't being signed rightly
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20:13 < jrmu> it works ok for my IPs but it won't work when a mailing list tries to forward messages
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20:18 < Maddie> Hmm jrmu where do you see openbsd is trying to do that? Are you looking at smtp logs or are you getting a error email from the mailing list?
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20:18 < Maddie> Your DNS records look alright to me.
20:18 < daunlove> o/
20:18 < Maddie> o/
20:18 < jrmu>  https://paste.ircnow.org/096f4xybg5m3wh67s5qr
20:18 < jrmu> I get errors like the above ^
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20:22 < thrig> "v=DMARC1;p=none;" is the DMARC record I setup that works with misc mails
20:24 < jrmu> eah I set my p=none also
20:24 < jrmu> but that seems to defeat the point of DMARC
20:24 < Maddie> Weird, I even tried emailing myself, DKIM looks valid. https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/a.M081078P28856Q1.host
20:24 < jrmu> yeah* I set my p=none also
20:31 < Maddie> jrmu: My best guess at this point is trying to set p=quarantine or p=reject I can't seem to find anything else that could be wrong with DMARC.
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20:34 < jrmu> Maddie: yeah. The problem I see is setting p=none means that DMARC is no longer being enforced at all, I'd prefer it to be enforced except for a few select mailing lists
20:35 < jrmu> but I guess p=none works for now
20:35 < jrmu> thanks Maddie , thrig , I'll report back if I find a better solution
20:37 < thrig> pretty sure I had to fiddle with mailman lists to make them work better with modern anti-spam stuff
20:37 < Maddie> jrmu: DMARC is just supposed to say what should happen if DKIM or SPF is violated.  There isn't really a reason it would be off.  I'd try enableing it.  But its also weird that "trdlnk" is haveing issues when everything looks right.
20:37 < thrig> of course then users did silly things like clicking random buttons in Outlook and thus sent private messages to everyone on the everyone mailing list
20:39  * daunlove generates tons of received via headers and passes the filters (story from 2k)
20:40 < jrmu> Hm, it wasn't just one user but 10+ users that reported the same DMARC failure for me
20:41 < Maddie> LOL funnily enough openbsd.org doesn't seem to have dmarc...
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20:52 < quinq> $ doas vi /etc/doas.conf
20:52 < quinq> doas: syntax error at line 1
20:52 < quinq> :(
20:55 < avemestr> quinq: su?
20:57 < thrig> in theory and probably hindsight there's a -C flag to check a config
20:59 < quinq> visudo wasn't that bad (at least the idea)
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21:04 < Maddie> jrmu: I was able to email misc@openbsd.org just fine... Weird.
21:04 < jrmu> Maddie: did you have DMARC enabled?
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21:05 < Maddie> jrmu: I used my ircnow email.
21:05 < jrmu> interesting. Wait a few hours, you should get mail rejection/failure errors soon
21:05 < jrmu> oh, if you're using ircnow.org, I just updated dmarc to use p=none as suggested earlier
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21:05 < jrmu> so hopefully there will be no future mail rejected errors
21:06 < Maddie> Oh, great.  Where you then able to send the email you wanted?
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21:07 < jrmu> I haven't tested yet but will soon
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21:41 < Nach> Is https://man.openbsd.org/ down?
21:41 < thrig> still
21:41 < Nach> how long has it been? I first noticed it 2 or 3 days back
21:42 < thrig> there have been announcements, etc
21:46 < quinq> Hummm, if I want to get an interface IP address, is there a better way than parsing ifconfig output?
21:47 < thrig> I wrote a script that calls getifaddrs
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21:48 < quinq> Rather a libc program, no?
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21:48 < avemestr> Nach: First some planned downtime, then some not-so-planned extended downtime.
21:49 < avemestr> If only there were some other way to access the man pages!
21:49 < thrig> it's in the scripts repository, so must be a script
21:49 < brynet> it's almost as if it's a holiday or something, and people are at home.
21:50 < quinq> thrig, where's that?
21:51 < thrig> https://thrig.me/src/scripts.git
21:51 < sibiria> quinq: it's not too much hassle to just grep | cut, is it?
21:51 < quinq> Thanks thrig 
21:52 < quinq> sibiria, I prefer to sed
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21:54 < quinq> (hope it answers the question somehow)
21:58 < quinq> thrig, network/localaddr I suppose :)
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22:57 < jtbx> is there an alternative to Linux's pidof command on OpenBSD?
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23:00 < inz> jtbx, pgrep?
23:01 < jtbx> ah pgrep, I didn't think of that
23:01  * pr-asadi agrees with inz
23:01 < jtbx> should work, thanks :)
23:04 < jtbx> pgrep is actually more portable than pidof, I should have never really used pidof in the first place now that I think about it
23:06 < thrig> captain hindsight!
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23:12 < quinq> Hummm
23:12 < quinq> Any why I would get:
23:12 < quinq> $ crontab -e
23:12 < quinq> crontab: /var/cron/tabs/quinq: Permission denied
23:13 < quinq> $ ls -ld /var/cron/tabs/
23:13 < quinq> drwx-wx--T  2 root  crontab  512 Oct 10 16:41 /var/cron/tabs/
23:13 < quinq> Is my directory broken somehow?
23:14 < jtbx> can you access the contents of /var/cron/tabs/quinq? using something like ls or cat
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23:14 < quinq> It doesn't exist
23:15 < sibiria> quinq: it's as intended
23:15 < sibiria> root must grant you a tab. then you can edit it
23:15 < quinq> Wait, it actually does
23:15 < sibiria> normal users shouldn't be allowed to install tabs
23:15 < sibiria> as root:  crontab -u qink -e
23:15 < sibiria> then qink will be allowed to edit
23:18 < quinq> Worked, thanks sibiria :)
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