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05:32 < jrmu> I sent this email to misc@openbsd.org earlier: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170354063924689&w=2  | DMARC reports said it failed; did others receive it?
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05:37 < jtbx> yes, I received it
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05:46 < jrmu> ok thanks for confirming jtbx 
05:46 < jrmu> I got 10 failed dmarc reports so it does bother me, but I'm glad at least you got it
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06:38 < polyex> merry xmas openbsd ppl
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08:26 < kodcode> jrmu: received.
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11:14 < avemestr> vim.org runs on OpenBSD. Just found out.
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11:22 < avemestr> http://vim.org - but actual website only available at https://www.vim.org.
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12:33 < armin> jrmu: received fine on my end
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14:13 < Maddie> I'm beyond lost.  Can someone please explain to me why no packets are being matched by pf in this example: https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/_B.a
14:18 < zmoment> Hi, I'm using openrsync to get files from a remote OpenBSD 7.3 to this 7.4.  It fails with some "openrsync: error: mkstempsock: Invalid argument"
14:19 < zmoment> The command is 'openrsync -a -v -e 'ssh -p some_port root@remote:/dir /local_dir'
14:20 < sibiria> Maddie: is the interface perhaps part of your "skip" statements?
14:21 < Maddie> sibiria: There is only a skip on lo.  1 moment I'll paste the entire pf.conf
14:22 < Maddie> sibiria: https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/a.pfconf
14:26 < zmoment> The remote file that seems to cause the error has permissions srw-------
14:27 < Maddie> What remote file zmoment?
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14:28 < Maddie> Oh rsync, idk, -a should be right.
14:28 < zmoment> That is shown just before where the error occurs.  It's openrsync, not rsync.
14:28 < zmoment> But I can try with rsync.
14:29 < zyxer> Where can I follow updates for packages? Is there some rss feed ?
14:29 < phy1729> There's the ports cvs changes mailing list
14:32 < zyxer> so send email to majordomo and body message "subscribe CVS Changes Mailing Lists"?
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14:41 < sibiria> Maddie: what does the match rule look expanded, if you look at it with e.g. "pfctl -s rules"
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14:42 < Maddie> match inet from 10.8.0.0/16 to any tag vpn_net
14:43 < phy1729> zyxer: https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html ports-changes
14:44 < sibiria> Maddie: what happens if you specify the interface for the match rule
14:44 < sibiria> and possibly the protocol as well
14:44 < Maddie> The same.
14:44 < zyxer> Ok, can I add 2 mailing lists? I am interested in the source-changes as well as ports-changes
14:44 < Maddie> I have "match inet from 10.8.0.0/16 to any tag vpn_net" above it.
14:44 < Maddie> "match out on tap0 all tag vpn"* sorry wrong buffer lol.
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14:51 < sibiria> maybe have a look-see with tcpdump to see if your packet is at all on that interface
14:52 < zyxer> Meh I sent two mails close enough to one mail
14:53 < Maddie> sibiria: Thats a good idea but I'm not really familier with tcpdump, I'll check the man.
14:55 < sibiria> tcpdump -i tap0 icmp
14:55 < Maddie> intresting, it doesn't even go thru the ínterface "tcpdump: listening on tap0, link-type EN10MB"
14:55 < Maddie> Hmm I'll try with icmp.
14:57 < Maddie> I changed tap0 to lo0, this confirms that its actually going thru the loopback device whitch has skip set on it, therefor the packets where being skipped.  Thank you, now I know that the issue lies in the interface, I need to make the traffic go thru the right one.
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16:13 < jrmu> thanks for the confirmation kodcode , armin . So I guess the DMARC p=none disposition is working
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16:29 < Maddie> jrmu: I received aswell: https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/a.M366870P31509Q6.host
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16:31 < sibiria> "none" is a valid policy
16:34 < jrmu> ok thanks Maddie 
16:35 < Maddie> :)
16:35 < Maddie> sibiria: Do you happen to know if its possible to track tagged packets with tcpdump?
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16:37 < Bradipo> "xpad -h" with fluxbox on OpenBSD 7.4 doesn't work right.
16:37 < sibiria> Maddie: indirectly. you can log the packets in your ruleset, and then you can point tcpdump to the pflog interface
16:38 < Bradipo> It opens all pads and does *not* put an icon in the systemtray (fluxbox terminology).
16:38 < Bradipo> pidgin works fine though, it places an icon in the systemtray.
16:38 < Bradipo> I don't see any obvious errors.
16:39 < Maddie> sibiria: ah with "log" option.
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16:46 < Bradipo> Any ideas why xpad -h and fluxbox on 7.4 don't play well together?
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16:50 < sibiria> maybe because of fluxbox' high age
16:50 < Bradipo> xpad isn't exactly "low age" either though.
16:51 < sibiria> i don't think it has seen a single update in close to 10 years
16:51 < Bradipo> Which means it's stable.
16:51 < Bradipo> pidgin has no problem putting icons in the systemtray, only xpad.
16:52 < Bradipo> I wonder if I could get xpad to play nicely with fvwm...
16:52 < Bradipo> Perhaps I could swallow it in FvwmButtons...
16:53 < Bradipo> But, given that fluxbox is old, as you say, I'm not sure why things that used to work would cease to work.
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16:53 < Bradipo> Maybe xpad has changed the way it does things...
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17:05 < Bradipo> On another note...
17:05 < Bradipo> When building a package with DEBUG_PACKAGES, is there a way to influence which debug arguments are used?
17:05 < Bradipo> I notice that it's using -O2 but that might be better done as -O0...
17:08 < Bradipo> I suppose I can just use DEBUG=-O0 -g
17:09 < Bradipo> But then it ends up building like: c++ -c -O2 -pipe -O0 -g -O2 -pipe -O0 -g -w -pthread ...
17:09 < Bradipo> A lot of duplication of arguments there...
17:10 < Bradipo> Hopefully c++ takes the "last" argument and applies that.
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17:18 < sibiria> depends on what c++ compiler. but gcc and clang does that
17:20 < thrig> duplicate environment variables have similar problems of first-or-last
17:24 < Bradipo> Yeah, well, this is using ports and the DEBUG variable in Makefile.
17:24 < Bradipo> So I guess we'll see.
17:24 < Bradipo> I'm trying to build debug packages for qcad to see if I can narrow down why it's segfaulting.
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17:31 < zmoment> Regarding searching for packages, for example 'pkg_info -Q tcl' only returns some nextcloud versions, nothing else.  PKG_PATH is not set, but /etc/installurl has https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD.
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17:32 < zmoment> But pkg_add is able to find and install packages.  What am I missing?
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17:32 < thrig> dunno, I never use -Q
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17:33 < zmoment> how do you search for available packages then?
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17:35 < xse> zmoment: 'pkg_info -aqQ tcl' ?
17:35 < sibiria> -aQ should suffice
17:36 < thrig> usually via pkglocate, or poking around under /usr/ports
17:37 < oldlaptop> see the bit about "first repository" in the manual page; these days that'll be (AIUI) -stable packages, on a -stable system
17:37 < oldlaptop> (and tcl does not tend to need a whole lot of security patches)
17:37 < xse> sibiria: right :p
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17:38 < zmoment> sibiria, ohh, I tried -Qa before and it returned a lot of info, but not the list of packages.  -aQ is different, it really returns the list.  Thank you.
17:38 < oldlaptop> see also the sqlports package (which is behind openports.pl)
17:42 < zmoment> Great!
17:55 < sibiria> zmoment: it's different because -Q wants an immediate argument
17:55 < sibiria> "-Qa blah" provides "blah" for -a option and nothing for -Q
17:56 < thrig> hopefully expect will get rebuilt for tcl 8.6 one of these years
17:56 < Bradipo> What does it use?
17:56 < thrig> 8.5
17:56 < Bradipo> Hmm, well, I still use 8.4
17:56 < Bradipo> Have to build the port myself because it's no longer maintained.
17:57 < Bradipo> What more would expect be able to do using 8.6?
17:57 < oldlaptop> does coroutine support have implications for expect?
17:58  * oldlaptop does know offhand it would for sqlite - one can't [yield] from a [$db eval] block in sqlite built for 8.5
17:58 < Bradipo> What I find the need for more often is not the ability to search package names, but to search package contents.
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18:54 < thyssentishman> Bradipo: You can see which files are installed by a package with pkg_info -L <package-name>
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19:08 < Bradipo> thyssentishman: I mean prior to installing.
19:10 < Bradipo> e.g. "which package provides /usr/local/bin/gxmessage?"
19:12 < thrig> pkglocate bin/gxmessage
19:13 < Bradipo> Yep.
19:13 < Bradipo> qcad still building here...
19:14 < oldlaptop> technically possible to dig that out of sqlports too, but pkg_locate /pkglocate (I bet they're hardlinks) is made for it
19:14 < oldlaptop> (aw, only symlinks)
19:14 < oldlaptop> or rather pkglocate is the symlink
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20:09 < vulpine> does anyone know what those comments at the top of varous files surrounded in $'s and usually contain the modification date are called? for example #   $OpenBSD: locate.rc,v 1.8 2021/08/06 19:14:55 tim Exp $
20:10 < thrig> rcs keywords, as copied by other things
20:11 < vulpine> ah, thanks
20:11 < thrig> or maybe "tags" but you'll maybe also see keywords
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20:48 < Bradipo> I really despise info files.
20:48 < Bradipo> man diehard I guess.
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20:50 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/infofn.txt
20:51 < Bradipo> lol
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20:52 < Bradipo> Does that dump the entire info file into one output?
20:52 < thrig> yes?
20:52 < thrig> minus the usual stderr noise
20:52 < thrig> I also heard a rumor that Debian had been porting info pages and whatnot back to man pages
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21:16 < damarusama> trying to work with a pcmcia network card, I can't find much information
21:17 < damarusama> the system seems to detect it, but when I dhclient xl0 it's not getting an ip (I'm also not well versed in openBSD, might be missing a step)
21:17 < sibiria> because pcmcia went extinct centuries ago. try going back in time to the mid-to-late 90s
21:17 < Bradipo> Hmm, I still have PCMCIA cards and I think they do work.
21:18 < avemestr> damarusama: Try posting your dmesg somewhere for a start.
21:18 < damarusama> ok
21:18 < damarusama> the network card is busted on my laptop, so got to use a pcmcia
21:19 < damarusama> when I hot plug it, it detect the card no problem with the model and the brand
21:19 < damarusama> 2 sec for the dmesg, booting my laptop
21:19 < avemestr> damarusama: Also, a hostname.xl0 file might be useful. Containing e.g: "inet autoconf" without quotes.
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21:20 < avemestr> /etc/hostname.xl0 that is.
21:24 < damarusama> xl0 at cardbus8 dev 0 function 0 "2com 3ccfe575BT" rev 0x001: irq 11. address 00:00:86:3e:d8:34
21:25 < damarusama> so the system sees the card and it's address...
21:25 < damarusama> I've added the hostname.xl0 with the inte autoconf
21:25 < damarusama> inet I mean
21:25 < Bradipo> 2com?  Is that prior to 3com?
21:25 < damarusama> heheh sorry
21:25 < damarusama> 3com indeed
21:28 < brynet> is the link up? what does ifconfig xl0 status line say?
21:28 < damarusama> no carrier
21:28 < avemestr> Sooo, it's not plugged in?
21:28 < thrig> better than that 4chan card
21:29 < avemestr> Or plugged in to a device that expects 1000mbit?
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21:30 < thrig> old ethernet cards were generally crappy at autonegotiate
21:30 < damarusama> are you thrig on com?
21:30 < thrig> I had switches were some ports were 10/half, some auto, some 100/full
21:31 < brynet> damarusama: that would certainly explain not receiving an address, check the cable, and as avemestr mentioned, make sure it's plugged into a device that supports 100Mb/s.
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21:31 < thrig> there are not many thrig imposters
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21:31 < damarusama> hehehe
21:31 < damarusama> kind of have a feeling the pins might be bent improperly... 
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21:33 < damarusama> ok so if the dmesg detec the card properly and the ifconfig sees the adaptor and its mac address I should be good to go right? 
21:34 < damarusama> I might be better off with a usb network as this pcmcia connector seems to fragile
21:35 < thrig> weren't you running that openbsd box without the network?
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21:35 < damarusama> yeah that was the goal, now I have a load of gopher entry I want to publish though :( 
21:36 < damarusama> and also happy to learn the network stack on openbsd as I want to use it as a server for lucid.observer
21:37 < brynet> as thrig said, you can try forcing it to the right media type, e.g: ifconfig xl0 media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex
21:37 < damarusama> oh I se
21:37 < damarusama> see
21:37 < damarusama> yeah media is Ethernet autoselect (none)
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21:40 < damarusama> full-duplex is giving me a Invalid argument
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21:42 < zmoment> To have color in the console what termcap do you suggest?  The default is vt220.  I've tried several, klone+color, xterm+256color, etc, but every option seems to have some misbehavior.
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21:42 < zmoment> in a amd64 system
21:44 < zmoment> Humm, pccon seems to work nicely.
21:50 < damarusama> usb network card works like a charm... 
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22:06 < damarusama> thanks, I'll explore more ifconfig, as I would rather use that card... 
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