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09:44 < jfsimon> Good morning, may i ask if someone sees a mistake in ths code (or multiple of them). It is C for opening and reading a serial device. It works occasionally (picks up about 1% of the serial data in randomly, once in a while)   https://pastebin.com/raw/pPKAfHvW
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09:51 < IcePic> jfsimon: you are not setting speed or other serial settings like 8N1 or so.
09:51 < inz> jfsimon, I need to ask, where's the null terminator? (Nulllll terminatorrr)
09:52 < jfsimon> ;) inz
09:53 < jfsimon> Thanks though it seems working kind of with fflush(stdout) after printf()
09:53 < inz> Although with a tight busyloop with a non-blocking fd, it is not very likely that you'll fill the buffer
09:53 < jfsimon> The default are ok, 115.2kB 8N1
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09:56 < jvl> inz: LOL!
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10:16 < quinq> This looks shady, indeed first null-terminate your buffer, then just exiting on read() 0 on a non-blocking fd
10:23 < quinq> scratch that last part, misread :)
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10:25 < quinq> So you're force-reading until your buffer is full
10:26 < quinq> And then you print a non-terminated string
10:26 < quinq> I'd just print what was read with printf("%.*s", nr, buf);
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11:55 < caze> jfsimon: int nr {0};
11:56 < jfsimon> yes
11:56 < jfsimon> initilization
11:56 < caze> jfsimon: =
11:56 < caze> int nr = 0;
11:56 < caze> THis is initialization.
11:57 < caze> You need the =
11:57 < jfsimon> quiq yes i think it works too, i don't quite understand it all. I fixed th code a bit.
11:58 < caze> Also the brackets {} are only needed for aggregate types and unions.
11:58 < jfsimon> yep i compiled in C++ so the style also works there
11:58 < caze> So like you could have used them for char buf[50] = { 0 };
11:58 < caze> Instead of using memset.
12:00 < caze> You need to spend some time learning basic C.
12:01 < jfsimon> indeed thanks
12:03 < jfsimon> int nr {0}; is properly initalizing. This reads 3 : int j {3}; cout << j << endl;
12:10 < caze> That is not C.
12:11 < jfsimon> indeed it's C++
12:11 < caze> If that's what you want to write, fine, but don't call it C.
12:11 < jfsimon> main.cpp
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12:14  * nedko .o(C++ should stop disguising as C, C++ can't get better than C coz the semantic overload)
12:17 < jfsimon> yep i build a couple classes helps me code, also usine SFML library on this project.
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15:49 < meena> nedko: C++ doesn't disguise as C, people, most of whom are not C++ programmers,  are trying trying to do that. C++ has made leaps and bounds in terms of improvements over C, and is equally held back by its compatibility to it, as it is by its backwards compatibility.
15:49 < meena> All of that is just to say: C and C++ are different programming languages.
15:51 < sibiria> bjarne stroustrup disagrees
15:51 < sibiria> "c++ is still c, with oo"
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18:05 < betabug> if it's that, why wan't it called "coo"?
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18:06 < nedko> sibiria: “I invented the term ‘object oriented’, and C++ was not what I had in mind” -- Dr. Alan Kay
18:06 < nedko> :)
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18:11 < sibiria> betabug: i don't know. i'm sure he has an answer to the naming
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18:14 < avemestr> A Danish computer science student interviewed Stroustrup some years ago and asked him: "Why isn't it possible to overload the semicolon operator in C++?". IIRC the response was "I haven't gotten around to that... yet."
18:16 < thrig> C++: three languages standing on one another in a trenchcoat
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18:20 < bsandro> I don't think c++ can be seen as superset of C for like 20+ years now
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18:21 < bsandro> c99 had features that c++ got only partially in c++20
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18:21 < nedko> avemestr: overloading everything is the *scary* part :]
18:23 < zyxer> Hi
18:23 < zyxer> I have setup a VM and trying to ssh to it, but how do I find the IP? Trying to ssh from host to the VM
18:24 < sibiria> did you allocate an interface to it?
18:24 < sibiria> give the vm conf "local interface tap"
18:24 < sibiria> and it'll get tapN depending on what's available
18:24 < zyxer> Yes, I have tap
18:24 < sibiria> what do you see with ifconfig on the host?
18:24 < sibiria> you should have tap0 at least
18:25 < sibiria> usually 100.64.1.2
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18:25 < zyxer> 100.64.3.2
18:25 < zyxer> tap0
18:25 < sibiria> there you go
18:25 < zyxer> oh, welp. I guess the VM doesn't have ssh enabled by default. Or the install iso 
18:26 < zyxer> I mean, not VM I meant the image I run in it, since ssh to that adress gives connection refused
18:26 < sibiria> "vmctl console zyxervm"
18:26 < sibiria> and poke around
18:26 < zyxer> It has ttyS0 disabled
18:26 < zyxer> It is a linux iso. 
18:27 < sibiria> a lot of linuces disable serial console by default, and need it enabled during boot and so
18:27 < sibiria> have fun!!
18:27 < zyxer> Yea, at least I can fix that when I get home... 
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18:28 < zyxer> Thought I could kill some time inbetween needing to do things. Aw well
18:28 < zyxer> It was so easy tho to setup VMM, I am surprised
18:28 < zyxer> I had big hassle last time I tried VM, and it was linux host. OpenBSD VMM just werks
18:29 < sibiria> yeah it's not too bad to get things up and running on just 4-5 lines of config
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19:05 < zyxer> I got a modded iso that has console = ttyS0
19:05 < zyxer> But I am not sure if it works. I get grub menu and then after I select to boot, nothing. Is it me doing something wrong on OpenBSD host? 
19:06 < zyxer> and the ~~. doesn't kick me out
19:09 < zyxer> I can't append group vmd to my user either
19:11 < zyxer> Ok so I can't type in the console.  Just black
19:11 < zyxer> I think it might be an ISO issue with it not actually enabling agetty-ttyS0
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19:22 < sibiria> don't append the group. make the vm owned by you instead
19:24 < sibiria> you can enable serial console via grub at boot-time by providing a kernel parameter or two. no need to modify the install image
19:25 < zyxer> How? I did add kernel parameter so I see grub in ttyS0
19:25 < zyxer> But then after it boots from grub, nothing. 
19:26 < zyxer> Can't type or anything
19:32 < IcePic> having grub print chars on serial is not the same as kernel using serial for console, so both would presumably need changes, no?
19:33 < zyxer> The issue is, I think, after it boots up it doesn't enable the agetty-ttyS0 service
19:34 < zyxer> Since the mklive script worked to pass the console=ttyS0 parameter (before no grub or anything was vissible)
19:34 < zyxer> But, how would I go about to extract ISO and then repack it to ISO? I just need to make a symlink to fix it
19:36 < IcePic> that sounds like a question best asked to the community for that ISO, is it not?
19:36 < zyxer> I don't know. Never extracted or worked with ISOs like that
19:42 < zyxer> But like, I am not finding info on how to extract an ISO on openBSD, nor how I make the files back into .ISO
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19:51 < harpia> sysfu: Mailjet allows 200 emails per day on the free plan. That looks good for personal use. Thanks for the suggestion.
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19:51 < harpia> xse: that's an interesting project, thanks. I only knew RiseUp.
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19:57 < zyxer> The mailing list claims someone fixed issue with godot4, so I pulled the ports but no ports/games/godot4? 
19:58 < zyxer> fetched ports tree*
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20:00 < thrig> rumors of extant games that still depend on *3
20:02 < zyxer> Yea, but how can I build godot4? Or did I missunderstand the ports mailing list godot4 thing?
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20:06 < brynet> zyxer: godot4 is in -current ports.
20:07 < brynet> https://openports.pl/path/games/godot4
20:08 < zyxer> Thanks so much for the info! 
20:09 < brynet> not very useful yet for running any released commercial games, though: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs&m=170102216315086&w=2
20:09 < brynet> but there's several that work with godot3 which remains in ports.
20:10 < zyxer> I want to use it to make a game
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20:11 < zyxer> So if there is no issue to make a game then I am good to jump back to OpenBSD on desktop daily driver
20:11 < zyxer> Dualboot time, linux (for gaming) and OpenBSD :D
20:13 < thrig> I do all my gaming (such as it is) on OpenBSD
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20:13 < zyxer> Steam windows games as well?
20:13 < thrig> nope
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20:23 < avemestr> zyxer: There's http://playonbsd.com/games/ and #openbsd-gaming,
20:23 < zyxer> Thanks
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20:35 < avemestr> Not saying it was offtopic for this chan - just a couple of places for more inspiration on whats possible on OpenBSD in regards to gaming.
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20:36 < zyxer> Yea, it was much appreciated :D
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21:34 < a1fa> has anyone tried kde-plasma on -current?
21:42 < fro> i'm sure someone has
21:43 < a1fa> i am trying to add package, but it's saying package not found
21:43 < a1fa> running -current
21:45 < zelest> tried another mirror? :)
21:45 < a1fa> yes, i tried cdn and ftp
21:46 < a1fa> is there a known mirror that has it?
21:47 < zelest> not that I know of sadly
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21:47 < relation_freak> hello
21:48 < relation_freak> !apm
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21:56 < a1fa> i feel like the "news" release was premature 
21:58 < avemestr> What news release?
21:58 < a1fa> kde-plasma is available in -current
22:00 < fifihyperbola> doesn't kde-plasma have telemetery??
22:00 < thrig> a shorter list might be "who doesn't have telemetry"
22:01 < fifihyperbola> bad
22:02 < a1fa> so openbsd.app is showing it, but the packages linked to meta are not available on cdn.openbsd.org
22:02 < a1fa> they are also not available on ftp.openbsd.org
22:02 < a1fa> where does openbsd.app read this info from?
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22:05 < fro> i don't know what openbsd.app is
22:06 < a1fa> someone may have to jiggle a few cords in Theo's basement 
22:06 < a1fa> fro: https://openbsd.app
22:06 < fro> so some random website
22:06 < thrig> DC cord jiggling generally gets you on the 'naughty' list
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22:07 < a1fa> fro: it's a web app to search package meta.. useful 
22:07 < fro> yes but it's not official
22:07 < fro> so then you end up with what you've got now
22:08 < a1fa> it's as unofficial as undeadly.org
22:08 < fro> same with posts to undeadly.org
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22:11 < a1fa> thrig: are you on -current?
22:11 < thrig> never
22:11 < a1fa> oO/
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22:12 < a1fa> anybody on -current that can check?
22:12 < fro> i'm on -current
22:12 < fro> it's not there
22:12 < fro> surpise
22:12 < a1fa> word. thank you
22:13 < fro> surprise*
22:13 < fro> it'll show up eventually
22:13 < a1fa> i wonder why it's showing up in meta on openbsd.app
22:13 < fro> maybe some mirror already has it?
22:13 < fifihyperbola> I can make my openbox setup look like kde plasma
22:14 < fro> yeah but it's not kde plasma
22:14 < fifihyperbola> kde plasma is just such a bloated environment, why would you use it anyway
22:14 < fro> i don't but your personal opinions about something doesn't mean someone else doesn't want to use it
22:15 < fifihyperbola> it's not a personal opinion, it's a fact that it's bloated...
22:15 < a1fa> compared to?
22:15 < a1fa> cwm? yes
22:15 < fro> right so this is a pointless conversation then
22:15 < fifihyperbola> ok
22:15 < fifihyperbola> I will stop
22:15 < a1fa> much appreciated
22:15 < fifihyperbola> :)
22:16 < fifihyperbola> but how is openBSD about security if it supplies packages that contain telemetery I just don't get that :(
22:16 < a1fa> you have to enable it
22:17 < a1fa> it's not enabled by default
22:17 < fro> one has nothiong to do with the other
22:17 < a1fa> same as firefox.. you have to opt into "usage" telemetry 
22:18 < sibiria> on firefox for windows you have to opt OUT of it
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22:23 < fifihyperbola> the other day my mate had a trouble with firefox, he opened a tab and it consumed 2.5GB of his ram memory, and suddenly crashed, LOL he got annoyed, and that was on openBSD too
22:23 < a1fa> ah 
22:23 < a1fa> looks like ajc already reported an issue with kde-plasma
22:23 < a1fa> it was failing to build
22:25 < a1fa> and they got a fix.. so i think it will be on the mirrors with tomorrows build
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22:27 < a1fa> brb
22:27 < fifihyperbola> great idea, now add systemd next
22:27 < fifihyperbola> lol
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22:33 < Bradipo> I have 2 OpenBSD 7.4 on amd64 installations... each has a different package for firefox (one is firefox-120.0 and the other firefox-121.0).
22:33 < Bradipo> The server in /etc/installurl has neither.
22:33 < Bradipo> It has firefox-118.0.1...
22:33 < fro> ok
22:34 < zelest> That's probably the one that was released with 7.4...
22:34 < Bradipo> So where did firefox-120.0 and firefox-121.0 come from?
22:34 < zelest> Isn't there a stable-mirror thingie for backporting stuff?
22:34 < Bradipo> Well, doesn't pkg_add just use what's in /etc/installurl ?
22:35 < Bradipo> If it does, why don't I have firefox-118.0.1 (from the URL)?  And why to both of my 7.4 systems have different package versions for firefox?  They both have the exact same /etc/installurl.
22:36 < thrig> look under probably /pub/OpenBSD/7.4/packages-stable
22:36 < Bradipo> Unless of course ftp3.usa.openbsd.org is somehow load balanced and they have different things.
22:36 < Bradipo> Ahh...
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22:36 < Bradipo> Yes, I had forgotten about packages-stable...
22:36 < zelest> :-)
22:36 < Bradipo> Was just looking at packages.
22:37 < Bradipo> Ok, now using pkg_add -u...
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23:37 < zyxer> It seems I can't connect to ttyS0 on the VM or ssh, 
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23:37 < zyxer> Is the IP really what ifconfig shows?
23:38 < zyxer> tap0 inet 100.64.3.2, wouldn't that be the IP to the interface, e.g. the IP the VM would use to talk to the host?
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23:41 < xse> 'vmctl status' iirc gives you an ID for each vm, and that ID is the 3rd number or smth, it's explained under the "LOCAL INTERFACES" section of vmctl's manpage
23:42 < quinq> Yes, the TAP IP is the host IP
23:42 < quinq> man vmctl
23:43 < quinq> The console command lets you connect to the console
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23:44 < zyxer> The console command use ttyS0 no?
23:44 < zyxer> It is only black and I can't input anything with vmctl console void
23:44 < zyxer> I see grub if I do that immediatly after starting VM
23:44 < quinq> Not sure what you mean
23:45 < quinq> No, the host doesn't use ttyS0
23:45 < zyxer> void is the name of my VM
23:45 < quinq> Have you activated the console on your VM guest?
23:45 < zyxer> Oh. Well, I see only black when I do vmctl console void
23:45 < quinq> (the serial console)
23:45 < zyxer> Yes, ttyS0 is enabled, I see grub 
23:46 < zyxer> but after that, black
23:46 < quinq> But in the kernel
23:46 < quinq> afaik, void doesn't activate the serial console by default
23:46 < zyxer> Yes, in the kernel allegedly. The guide I followed told me to console=ttyS0
23:46 < quinq> But that's a support question for that Linux distrib :)
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23:47 < zyxer> Well, if I didn't do that then I shouldn't see grub? But I did the live image myself with serial console enabled
23:47 < zyxer> Or maybe I would see grub anyway? 
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23:47 < quinq> Grub has nothing to do with Linux
23:48 < quinq> If you see grub on the serial line, that means the serial line works
23:48 < quinq> If then you don't see the serial line with the linux booted by grub, that means there's a problem with the linux
23:49 < zyxer> I see, thanks for the pointer!
23:51 < zyxer> Yes, the IP the vmctl says the VM should have isn't working either. 
23:51 < quinq> I don't know what's the default baudrate for the Linux console, but maybe make sure it matches, with console=device,9600
23:51 < Bradipo> Linux always makes booting on a serial console such a pain.
23:51 < zyxer> I think the linux doesn't get booted.... 
23:51 < quinq> And then, once your kernel is booted, I suppose you want to login too, so you'll need a getty
23:52 < zyxer> I should have enabled sshd on it, so either the mklive.sh not working to enable sshd/agetty-ttyS0 or the linux not boot after grub
23:54 < quinq> Maybe boot with the *debug* linux parameter
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